Figuera Device, Part G Continuum.( Serious Builders Only)

[Cadman]

Ahem.

Well I just had one of those 'duh' moments. If the G toroid has enough turns etc. then the end points that show as direct connected on the patent drawings could instead be taken from two points not at the end of the windings, allowing G to control everything as MM says.


Cadman

[Cadman]

Ufo,

That is still the same wiring as Buforn. As you correctly point out, there is direct connection at the contact points of the red wires, therefore part G is completely bypassed at these points and cannot possibly control either volts or amps there. At other points of resistance G is varying the volts and amps.

You stated that your coil changes from this point of direct connection to FULL resistance of part G. It should not. It should go from full contact to MINIMUM resistance from part G for that coil. The field coil that is not directly connected at this end point is already at full resistance and changes to slightly less resistance at this same time. There should never be a change from zero to full reistance on any field coil.

That is what I was trying to point out, and what all the patent drawings show. I'll still get a drawing up. Maybe it will help.

Regards
Cadman

[Ufopolitics]

Figuera 1908 Wiring Diagram

I will try to get a connection drawing done & posted today. It is wound and wired exactly as the Buforn patents show. Very very little sparking at 12 amps.

Ok Cadman,

Now you are talking about Buforn Patent...Thought we were talking (all) about the 1908 Figuera Patent:

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You could see above the same, exact deal as I have posted before (better drawing though...sorry , please forgive me Figuera!!)

Straight connection to Primaries Points.

I don't want to open a can of worms and arguing, but I have seen no evidence of the current being controlled by part G. Voltage yes. But with the coils I have, I had to put in a hand made wound wire resistor to limit the current. The resistor is on the negative lead from the current source. If there is a way for G to control the current along with the voltage, regardless of the field coil resistance, then please post the exact details.

Regards
Cadman

But Cadman...we do not want to regulate Voltage...but ONLY Current, meaning Amps...that is precisely the issue with resistors...as they would limit both, V & A...we do not want that.

If Voltage decays as Current does, then the Field would loose complete power, pressure, etc at the lower potential. It would be almost like disconnecting it.

Please post some drawings of your wiring diagrams...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Cadman]

I will try to get a connection drawing done & posted today. It is wound and wired exactly as the Buforn patents show. Very very little sparking at 12 amps.

I don't want to open a can of worms and arguing, but I have seen no evidence of the current being controlled by part G. Voltage yes. But with the coils I have, I had to put in a hand made wound wire resistor to limit the current. The resistor is on the negative lead from the current source. If there is a way for G to control the current along with the voltage, regardless of the field coil resistance, then please post the exact details.

Regards
Cadman

[Ufopolitics]

If I read this right then your toroid is not connected to your commutator correctly. Stair step up then stair step down.


Regards
Cadman

Really Cadman?,

Don't we all have a Three way connection as shown below to each Primary set?

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Do I have it right?...

And that straight connect from brush-plate (which is DUAL CONTACTS, by the way) to primaries when brush :"touches it" don't it directly send FULL Contact, Full Currents to Primary regardless of Inductance or resistance?


And so, unless your "Stair Up, Step Down" in either components go like this graphic below:

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It would radically change from Full Contact back to resistive path, it don't matter if brush first touches first windings or first resistors...

I do not have any sparking problems and this is how mine is connected.

Then definitively You are not winding it like MM proposed to...with low turns and heavy wiring on Primaries (Parallel) as well as Part G.

Either that or your batteries or charger supply are NOT outputting their full amperage.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Cadman]

Well, sorry about it, but then we disagree here MM.

There is a point, where a FULL CONTACT is done, between Brush-Contact Element to Max Primary connect, ..... And then Brush Restarts a FULL RESISTIVE PATH.

Other words, from Max Field it is abruptly and radically changed to Minimal Field at exactly the SAME Primary feeding

We are practically Collapsing The Field when it suffers this steep and abrupt transferring in every half cycle from Max Contact to bottom Minimal.

Ufopolitics

If I read this right then your toroid is not connected to your commutator correctly. Stair step up then stair step down.

I do not have any sparking problems and this is how mine is connected.


Regards
Cadman

[marathonman]

Part G

If that is your decision then why even have a part G if it doesn't control the currant. that's like saying why have wheels on a car when all they do is roll.

if you have a power supply say at 50 volts to start the Figuera device and your part G is not wound right to properly control the currant as soon as you start your device and take away the power supply things will immediately go hay wire and shut down.

if you think it is something else then in your mind what can it be since part G is the key to the whole device or at least one of. like possibly your primaries are wound wrong and currant is being shoved the wrong way into part G when the receding electromagnet is shoved out of the secondary.??

just something to consider.

The drawing in the other thread is completely incorrect but i do under stand what was said. the Red and Blue lines are in the secondary Not the primaries thus do not reflect what is transpiring as the field interactions are taking place outside the primaries in a space that is occupied by the secondary.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

REWIND part G with the proper currant control window, plain and simple. if you are using 1 to 2 amps or 2 to 4 amps them wind your part G to attain this control window. if you are not getting this control then your part G is wound wrong.

MM

MM,


How many times do you think I have rewound my Part G?

Many times, with different awg's...short turns more turns...etc,etc,etc

I started by using 8 awg 20 T, then 10 awg 45 T, then 12 awg 55 T...to the point I decided to purchase a second Toroid Part 120...to keep winding there as well...

If the "too many amps" is the problem...just by dialing down PSU Amps, in Coarse and Fine scale should do reduce the Current Disbursal to Part G...then we will conclude it is not about the number of windings nor the awg used.

However, the issue we have and that I mentioned prior, have nothing to do with Part G as it takes place as well with Resistor Bank Testing...

If You guys decide to keep winding your part G many times thinking "one day" you may hit the right, sweet spot, driving completely blind (no formula, no right guidance)...sorry but that is NOT the way I conduct experimenting and development.

I stop and search for other "Possible Causes" which we may have conflict with in our Builds.


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

NO SIR, i disagree. if part G controls the currant and to much currant is being dumped then rewind part G to properly control the currant. if you don't have enough winding at the end of the magnetic self inductance device then you will get to much currant being dumped to the primaries causing complete saturation of the primary cores thus your device will cease to function.

MM

Well, sorry about it, but then we disagree here MM.

There is a point, where a FULL CONTACT is done, between Brush-Contact Element to Max Primary connect, regardless of how much Inductance you have accumulated on the way to the DUMP switch. And then Brush Restarts a FULL RESISTIVE PATH.

Other words, from Max Field it is abruptly and radically changed to Minimal Field at exactly the SAME Primary feeding...this is NOT right.

Full Metal to Metal Contact overrides absolutely everything on the Current Control path...whether Resistance or Inductance SIR.

It is NOT supposed to be so...it does not takes place like that in a common Generator ( Figuera was Mimicking a Generator Movement by Currents Fluctuations wasn't He?) , where Fields leave SMOOTHLY after High Induction Point is faced, to start decreasing also Smoothly by getting further away on a Regulated Speed Control basis.

If we do not fix this issue we will never see a strong and full induction at secondaries...not OU.

We are practically Collapsing The Field when it suffers this steep and abrupt transferring in every half cycle from Max Contact to bottom Minimal.

Anyways this is my Conclusion, based on all the several experimenting I have done on this device for a long while...with Part G and Resistors Bank.


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Part G

NO SIR, i completely disagree. if part G controls the currant and to much currant is being dumped then rewind part G to properly control the currant. if you don't have enough winding at the end of the magnetic self inductance device then you will get to much currant being dumped to the primaries causing complete saturation of the primary cores thus your device will cease to function.

REWIND part G with the proper currant control window, plain and simple. if you are using 1 to 2 amps or 2 to 4 amps them wind your part G to attain this control window. if you are not getting this control then your part G is wound wrong.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

UFOP;

Apparently with the amount of winding's you have on part G...ie the window of currant you are working with, it is allowing to much currant through and that is destroying your commutator. if it is at 180 degrees then there is a lack of currant control in this area, meaning the lack of winding's on part G in this area (low self inductance) to control currant.

MM

Hello MM,

Like I wrote prior, this Sparks at 180º takes place either with resistors or Part G. With the Resistor Bank I tested, it had 70 Ohms Total...

You must realize that every 180 degrees, One of the Primaries receives FULL Current Dumping, delivered by switching device (specifically brush-contact elements output Max = Spark Fire Galore), no matter which regulator of currents we use...meaning, putting aside Part G AND Resistors here and basically talking about circuit design for either types

Other words, it is way too radical, the transfer from Full Current Dumping to Full Resistive Path Start and Viceversa...(again, resistive path regardless being Inductance or Resistance)


Meaning it is beyond the scope of Part G number of turns or wire awg, etc.


Regards



Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

NN orientation

CADMAN;
I agree, i think it is the exact cause you are referring to. with a N-S set up in the Figuera style of switching there will be very little currant being dumped into part G because of the opposing currants but with the N-N set up both are working together so the full force of the receding electromagnet is being dumped into G causing the oscillations of the power supply. this using a battery or batteries for a power supply will eliminate this oscillation problem.

UFOP;

Apparently with the amount of winding's you have on part G...ie the window of currant you are working with, it is allowing to much currant through and that is destroying your commutator. if it is at 180 degrees then there is a lack of currant control in this area, meaning the lack of winding's on part G in this area (low self inductance) to control currant.


I am glad i toned the currant requirements down for my primaries to attain a decent magnetic field. as long as my part G currant window is correct i will be all right. i have been working all week so i will be able to order the stuff i need thus begin my testing. with the results you guys are getting it seams i might not have enough winding's on part G but i don't think i am that far off, only thorough testing will provide the answer.

Quote;

"Originally Posted by boguslaw,
Magnetic field is the source of energy. Once you know that you can make Figuera generators, though I think there is a few inventions which must be combined to make it self-sustaining and overunity. But the principle is just that :
magnetic field is the source of electrical energy ,never the mechanical force. All other is simply a result of this principle."

One of the most intelligent things i have heard in that thread,very well put i might add but Magnetism and electricity are two aspects of the same condition (MOTION) magnetism is the binding mechanism that controls or sets limits to electric field and the device you are referring to, to self sustainment and overunity is PART G. because of the way we presently wind our coils we are loosing 50 % of the E field to magnetism, meaning we are loosing Electric motion to magnetic motion but with the Figuera device having the primary split in two we are adding that 50 % back to the device making this device more efficient than any other generator known to man.

once the fields are at operating capacity the only thing in the Figuera device we are doing is sweeping the massless, weightless field from side to side with little to no effort what so ever, basically using motion to impart motion and in this process we are attaining overunity.


MM

[Ufopolitics]

Sparks 180º apart...IMHO, not good.

Over the weekend I finally built an instrument panel and wired up all of my analog volt & amp meters. My DMMs were too erratic to get decent readings.

I've been using a cheap 12vdc battery charger as my initial power source, and there has been some weirdness going on. About 15 seconds after power (4 amps) is applied to the circuit the input and output amperage begin to oscillate together. At a rate of about 2 times per second the input rises and falls at a steadily increasing amplitude. Within seconds it is swinging up to 12+ amps then falling almost to zero.

At the highest intensity I think the battery charger is cutting the circuit then cutting back in after amperage falls to almost 0. It may be trying to regulate the 'charge rate' causing the oscillations to begin in the first place.

The field coils are N-N and the output is not looped so I am guessing this is being caused by the field coils feeding back into G, raising the circuit amperage and triggering the battery charger regulation. Curiously, none of this happens when the field coils have a N-S orientation.

The next thing to do is get a 12vdc battery to replace the charger, and see if things improve.

Regards
Cadman

Hello Cadman,


IMHO if Amps drop to zero at any point...it means the brush contact opened...however, in your case it more likely be the charger response (cutting off power done by the regulating circuit) as you are saying...it would be better a steady PSU which once you regulate it...stays there.

About Amps swinging high-low, it is also happening to me at certain speed...but once I reach certain RPM's it stabilizes back. (Which actually means they are still swinging hi-lo but at faster speed/higher frequency so we do not notice or equipment can not capture drops)

Remember this system works by constant currents drop and rising, so it is a normal operation. However not to zero, not too wide ranges which normally takes place at lower speeds

One thing I have noticed on the Figuera Device (whatever be, either resistors or Part G) that there is an abrupt, radical change taking place whenever brush switches from terminals output back to the regulated path (again this happens either for a resistance or inductance regulation of currents), and here is where the majority of sparking takes place on Commutator, apart by exactly 180º...IMO this is NOT right...there should be some kind of attenuation "component" there, in order that it absorbs the coil kickback from primaries and so, it would not be transferred to the regulative path transfer. As this reflects clearly on the Induced Output scope signal.

Like I wrote before, I have added two diodes and sparks have reduced at both ends, while induction has grown up...but sparks are still there, just moved a step forward...I have also tried AC Caps and do not work either...I am working now on a specific coil at each end which would collect this spike, but have not tested it yet.

And so, I wanted to say that I did damaged the commutator, specifically at those elements in the output terminals switching (sparks created a carved deep path and now there is not good contact there), which I noticed once I took the switching assy back apart...I ordered two more.

So Guys, forget about allowing heavy sparking (Higher Amps, meaning over 6 amps) on this commutators, basically with so low resistance on primaries, or they will be ruined.


One way or the other we need to solve this issue.


Regards



Ufopolitics

[Cadman]

Progress

Over the weekend I finally built an instrument panel and wired up all of my analog volt & amp meters. My DMMs were too erratic to get decent readings.

I've been using a cheap 12vdc battery charger as my initial power source, and there has been some weirdness going on. About 15 seconds after power (4 amps) is applied to the circuit the input and output amperage begin to oscillate together. At a rate of about 2 times per second the input rises and falls at a steadily increasing amplitude. Within seconds it is swinging up to 12+ amps then falling almost to zero.

At the highest intensity I think the battery charger is cutting the circuit then cutting back in after amperage falls to almost 0. It may be trying to regulate the 'charge rate' causing the oscillations to begin in the first place.

The field coils are N-N and the output is not looped so I am guessing this is being caused by the field coils feeding back into G, raising the circuit amperage and triggering the battery charger regulation. Curiously, none of this happens when the field coils have a N-S orientation.

The next thing to do is get a 12vdc battery to replace the charger, and see if things improve.

Regards
Cadman

[marathonman]

Good

Your cores look very nice and that wire looks awesome.
happy winding friend.
it is amazing to realize part G controls the currant so the primaries are wound for the highest bang for the buck and not have to worry about ohms like the dogma taught BS of present day.

Thanks for the Eurton heads up guys, actually with the winding's i have the amperage will be less than i thought as my secondaries will require less then i initially anticipated per primary.

MM