charging capacitors using the ambient background

[tesluh]

Hoping the auto ignition coil will take the place of the yellow coil in med's drawing posted. Can anyone speculate if a particular load will be better than another for testing? For instance incandescent, halogen, neon, electric motor, resistive heat strip, etc.

[AetherScientist]

Been having difficulty getting the sparks generated, most of my power supplies put out the plasma-like ionized air instead of the snappy individual sparks I am looking for, but have seen auto ignition coils made to do exactly what I need for experimenting. (you tube videos show how to make a "taser" and that's exactly the kind of high voltage spark I'm looking for). Here is a rather long video but it works. The coil is rated for 12v on the primary and this is 120v, it works but not sure how well it would work long term. The Lutron home wall dimmer I bought seems to work like a work like a relay, pulsing the primary coil. I had some 3.5uf ~400v capacitors I wired in parallel for a 7uf capacitor. Going to try this with a neon sign transformer and see if it has the same effect, they are rated for 120v ac on the primary side.


Here is the schematic at the end of the video:
https://youtu.be/L451RzeFNdo?t=890
[VIDEO]https://youtu.be/L451RzeFNdo?t=890[/VIDEO]

Hello, some days ago I also tried a similar experiment. I used a dimmer and a capacitor to limit the current that can pass through. The idea was to replicate the experiment of Don Smith where you see one spark in one plate and you see an output spark in the other plate. The experiment worked.

To light a bulb you don't need to use the ground connection. You can transform single wire electricity to two wires electricity and run anything.

The question is... If I use chopped AC in the input of the ignition coil... is the circuit using reactive power? Because AC in capacitors and inductors is reactive. So, in the case that is reactive, it's 0 watts or almost 0 watts, while in the output you can transform it an get active power.

[tesluh]

one wire to avramenko plug then 2 wires? or one wire around a transformer to ground and the other end of the transformer to power a load? Would love to hear more details!

[AetherScientist]

one wire to avramenko plug then 2 wires? or one wire around a transformer to ground and the other end of the transformer to power a load? Would love to hear more details!

I mean that in the Don Smith experiment where he uses sparks in an input capacitor plate and he obtains sparks in the second capacitor plate... you can use the sparks from the second capacitor plate to run load.

How? there are different techniques. The one I have tried is to use an AV plug in the second plate. You can charge a capacitor (av plug capacitor). I have tried it. Just you need to connect the single wire AV plug input to the second capacitor plate of Don Smith. Then in the otuput of the AV plug you have 2 wires and a capacitor connected to those 2 wires, so you can charge the capacitor using the energy from the second capacitor plate of Don Smith.

Then, another option is to use the energy from the second capacitor plate of Don Smith and reverse the circuit... use the sparks from the DSSCP (Smith Second Capacitor Plate) and use it as the input to a second car's ignition coil.
You know you can send energy using single wire using 2 Tesla's coil (remember that the coil we know as Tesla's coil is a Lodge's coil, few people know this). One Tesla's coil to transform 2 wire to single wire and a receiver Tesla's coil that transforms 1 wire to 2 wires.
Something similar to this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ARCLD3qgjmI/hqdefault.jpg

But, instead of using continuous single wire... you need to use...
WIRE-----PLATE #1---PLATE #2-----WIRE

======--------||--------===== instead of ====--------=====


The wire around a transformer is used for other different technique. The wire around a transformer is used to power loads using the A-Vector potential. It's very easy to prove this. I placed a closed loop wire around a transformer and you can read some amperage. The more wires you add, the higher the amperage. The readings can be of hundreds of amperes.

And the other option is to use the single wire output from the Tesla's coil to feed the input of a classic transformer. Then in the output of the transformer use 2 wires, like Chern.. This capacitive effect can be accomplished also with 2 wires, etc... even without wires.

It's possible to run loads without using physical ground. Utkin and Smith explain about physical ground, but you can or cannot use it.

[AetherScientist]

I recall Smith saying it was important to have the primary coil near the center of the secondary coil on his white board device for just that reason.

Of course, in ordinary electricity you have unbalanced waves. That means energy flowing in 2 different directions, for that reason we need 2 wires in ordinary electricity. If you balance the energy, you can send it using single wire without return.

Smith explained that some russians discovered that 2 direction electricity form magnetism. Voltage flows in one direction, amperage flows in opposite direction. For that reason Smith uses bucking coil as the secondary of his air-core transformer. Because he need to amplify both amperage and voltage. Each component need a dedicated coil to amplify it. Check Tesla's patent where you can clearly see this.

Ordinary transformers use one coil, so you step up one component: voltage. If you use bucking coil (2 different coils interconnected) you can amplify voltage AND amperage.

[tesluh]

Thank you for the reply, so if I have a coil producing sparks into a plate capacitor (like smiths demo), a sheet of dielectric material, another plate of metal as the second plate of the capacitor, then an avramenko plug attached to the second plate with a capacitor across the opposite ends of the plug,


how do I attach a resistive load to that capacitor and what is the limit to how much current it will generate?

This isn't me just being lazy asking questions, I have tested a bunch of different similar circuits without any successful results and trying to figure out what I am doing wrong.

crude paint drawing attached with my best guess in red

This coil must have an oscillator built in and seems to shoot sparks instead of the plasma that comes from most of the hv power supplies I have.

[AetherScientist]

Have you tried the circuit you have drawn?

Well, to power a load you have different options. Like 8 or so (with and without AV plug).

Maybe the most interesting one is the one that you can see in this video where it's used something like an AV plug (modified)
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9kHPVIIjZM[/VIDEO]

med.3012 and me we have tried to use the AV plug capacitor to power loads, but it seems that the energy in some cases cannot power ordinary loads. So you will see that in some cases you get strong sparks, but no usable electricity.

Another option would be to use like an LC oscillator, using the oscillating field from the capacitor and attaching an inductor to match the resonant frequency of the LC. I haven't tried this because I don't know if the output of the AV plug is DC or AC.

Another option is to use a spark gap where you discharge the capacitor into an inductor. It's known that short strong pulses from cap can create magnetic field in inductor (read JackNoskills last pdf in ou.com)

[AetherScientist]

Can you get an isolation transformer? You can also use single wire using an isolation transformer. Let me know if oyu can get it. It's very easy, you have only to change one connection.

[tesluh]

I have not tried that exact schematic, just guessing what the circuit should look like, I had tried a bunch of different combinations, even lit an led off the output of an isolation transformer but didn't have any real success. I have a bunch of different transformers here I can try. I have a coil coming tomorrow that should put out the spark I am trying for.

I have 2 460pf 30kv doorknob caps I can use for the caps.

[AetherScientist]

Check this document for single wire line:
http://www.davidpublishing.com/david...0372767921.pdf

[Guruji]

Smith circuit

Hi guys is it possible to avoid large caps in Don's circuit?
Thanks.

[med.3012]

Hi guys is it possible to avoid large caps in Don's circuit?
Thanks.

the cap is needed to stock the electric power , large capacitor mean large power in case you work with low voltage, if you want to avoid using high capacitor level you need to increase the voltage further more, if you mean other position please clarify

[tesluh]

currently trying the circuit suggested by jimbo, using the positive side of rectified 120 ac to charge one plate on bunch of capacitors in series and let the ambient background charge up the rest of them. Having rectifier problems...

Also just got a little "400kv" module (I doubt it puts out a fraction of that) that has a built in oscillator. it's output doesn't jump directly to a metal object but it does ring a tesla coil primary through a spark gap good enough to get the tesla coil to spark to a metal plate.
The same tesla coil with a slayer exciter puts out a pink ionized arc. Must be the difference in frequencies. Pretty sure I just built the equivalent to what Don Smith used in his presentations (the "handheld tesla coil").

It seems like it might be very similar to Don's bertonee 12v nst he used on many of his builds.
https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-Voltage...oost+converter

[tesluh]

Had the idea to buy a taser/stun gun and use it for the spark to plate experiments. Having a hard time getting the right spark at a regular frequency without breaking down and designing a blocking oscillator circuit from scratch or buying the handheld tesla coil like Don used.

Currently have a capacitor charged using the "electro-radiant effect" and having a hard time discharging it safely. Even when I touch a neon bulb to it it melts the wire end. Should have a different capacitor arriving today that hopefully allows me to charge it and then safely discharge it and measure energy in and out.

[tesluh]

Neon bulbs with resistors attached discharge the cap while its being charged. can steadily light 5 neon bulbs poorly.

When I take off all loads I can get this giant capacitor (10uf@4000vdc rating) up to 1000 volts in about 5 seconds using the electro radiant effect, apparently its not very powerful though, it will pop when anything touches it but one good discharge pop and its back down to 0 volt.