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  • Tonight I explained something, and it reminded me of the hall effect


    Why does a bifilar coil when pulsed with ac regular show a magnetic field, in the same direction, at different frequencies?

    On what physics, is tesla's claim in his patent 512340 :
    I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction

    I think it has to do with how the fields act.

    normally(single wire coil) the magnetic field wraps against the magnetic field of the next winding, counteracting it. bad thing. The voltage differnce between the windings is minimal, so the dielectric field is weak, giving a very high resonant frequency.

    but with the bifilar coil, due to the much greater voltage difference between the windings, the dielectric field is much stronger between the windings. when it is strong enough (voltage dependent i think) the magnetic field is blocked, it cant flow in between the windings(only in 1 direction, but not the opposite) , because the dielectric field is there. It blocks the magnetic field. ( Hall effect, but aplied to the weaker magnetic field due to the stronger dielectric field)

    the magnetic field will keep flowing over the windings, and over the dielectric fields (at 90 degrees of the dielectric field)

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    • setting aside testing and discussing solid state wave shaping, pulse width voltage detection allows.

      let me find a vfd waveform that differs slightly from a sine wave.
      getting away from traditional hairpin also it depends on the end use application
      ...
      ...
      ok in this 3 phase VFD motor drive. we are looking only at the waveform
      the pwm product and there are better wave shapes but this is what I have time to show. Getting further away from a standard can be more difficult to
      agree on the results.

      https://youtu.be/KJlbBHOfCbA?t=99
      Last edited by mikrovolt; 05-22-2017, 05:08 AM.

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      • Input-React Signals

        Originally posted by mikrovolt View Post
        setting aside testing and discussing solid state wave shaping, pulse width voltage detection allows.

        let me find a vfd waveform that differs slightly from a sine wave.
        getting away from traditional hairpin also it depends on the end use application
        ...
        ...
        ok in this 3 phase VFD motor drive. we are looking only at the waveform
        the pwm product and there are better wave shapes but this is what I have time to show. Getting further away from a standard can be more difficult to
        agree on the results.

        https://youtu.be/KJlbBHOfCbA?t=99
        Hello Mikrovolt,

        Yes, that was very useful, thanks.

        However, when pulsing a Coil with a Positive Signal, (no matter the shape we use) we must realize at the time OFF (or idle time), the Coil will generate an "automatic response" as a reverse spike-signal which actually "connects" with the incoming, sequenced positive signal through time. This two pos-neg signals forms the full frequency cycle.

        The above fact tells us, that in order not to conflict with coils self reaction, we do NOT need to add negative signals here, on this specific application we are working on, but use the one freely generated.

        We could "modify" this reaction by simply modifying the positive input signal, since they work proportionally to input design.

        As an example on what am working on at this time:

        [IMG][/IMG]

        The Yellow Channel is the Input Signal, which is actually only the Positive square wave, while the Coil "reaction" is the Negative side, which is almost a smooth sine, climbing up to then create a small positive spike at the beginning of each square, because of excess of voltage above input...or coil "discharge"...

        The Blue signal is just an LC Tank "Echo" Mirroring from the Yellow Input (Both Coils, Input and Mirror are identical, since they are the two Bifilar wires)...and amplified via the "Flash" Capacitor...

        I am generating this signal with my small motor-rotary switch, not electronically, and only using like 120º On Time from commutator.


        Regards


        Ufopolitics
        Last edited by Ufopolitics; 05-22-2017, 05:22 PM.
        Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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        • Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
          The Yellow Channel is the Input Signal, which is actually only the Positive square wave, while the Coil "reaction" is the Negative side, which is almost a smooth sine, climbing up to then create a small positive spike at the beginning of each square, because of excess of voltage above input...or coil "discharge"...

          The Blue signal is just an LC Tank "Echo" Mirroring from the Yellow Input (Both Coils, Input and Mirror are identical, since they are the two Bifilar wires)...and amplified via the "Flash" Capacitor...

          I am generating this signal with my small motor-rotary switch, not electronically, and only using like 120º On Time from commutator.


          Regards


          Ufopolitics
          I think you have done it.

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          • Originally posted by Diplomacy View Post
            I think you have done it.
            Thanks Diplomacy, I believe so...

            It may need a lot of work and development still...but the "Prima Fascie" is done.

            I will keep disclosing the whole process -in detail- in my other Thread, along with the videos to back up the real evidence.


            Regards


            Ufopolitics
            Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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            • B field

              Two wires with current moving in opposite directions there are some field cancellations.
              When you are making dielectric ( canceling ) with DC the concept of dielectric migration
              follows the rule that like charges attract and dislikes repel.

              https://youtu.be/C0FbuTBd26s?t=415

              A new video looking at a bifilar pancake coil. AC Current vs voltage is seen on an oscilloscope,
              there is a distinction between leading, lagging or cancelling. The led diode indicates the direction at the input and output.
              The various ( AC ) frequencies set up spacing on nodes of standing waves.
              The current lead or lag while adjusting the frequency above and below resonance
              I prefer the scope over the leds for showing the adjustment window.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBd4SoS4i8
              Last edited by mikrovolt; 06-07-2017, 09:31 PM.

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              • I've been reading Steinmetz "elementary lectures one electric discharges, waves and impulses, and other transients. from 1911 (first edition)

                He states some interesting facts about the magnetic and dielectric field that compose the electric field.

                He states a collapsing magnetic field, when the (inductor) circuit is opened, produces a Back Electro Motive Force.

                Then he goes on, stating that a collapsing dielectric field, when the (capacitor) circuit is closed, produces a back Magneto Motive Force.
                This Back MMF is new to me.

                Im researching further into the properties of these Bemf and Bmmf.

                I find It very odd, that the Bemf, can be stepped up in voltage via a step up transformer.
                Its also odd, that a magnetic field, that needs time to build up, discharges into a Bemf, with a single short burst pulse of high voltage. Why is that pulse so short? Why isnt there more inertia, and duration of the BEMF?

                It is as if the Magnetic field lines (vortex) are opened up, and instantly transform in unterminated dielectric field lines, that still contain the vortex torque.
                the open dielectric field lines with thei torque instantly reconnect and terminate on nearby conductors. for instance the windings of the secondary of a stepup transformer.

                But how to examine the Back magneto motive force? By charging a capacitor, and discharge it, into a bifilar coil? and repeating this at the rate of the resonant frequency of the coil? that would be ideal.

                The capacitor, should be low in capacitance, so its fast charged, but high in voltage, so there would be enough energy.

                hmm... Charge a capacitor, with the Bemf, of a coil. and then use the Bmmf of the capacitor again to charge a coil.


                Now the further down the road Idea, is to separate the 2 windings of a bifilar coil, and place a dielectric medium in between them.
                Then to separately but simultaneously pulse both windings in to resonance.

                One winding with use of the BEMF
                and the other winding by use of the BMMF
                And letting these 2 energy forms, come together due to the resonance of the split bifilar coil...

                If the Bemf and Bmmf, do produce temporarily open field lines, the inertia of the collapsing fields, might draw in more (rotational) energy.

                Peace to you all.
                Last edited by evostars; 06-28-2017, 10:39 PM.

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                • current amplified coil

                  I found out something interesting with the bifilar coil.
                  When at resonance it shows a huge voltage rise.
                  The resonant frequency can be tuned down, by adding a parallel capacitor.
                  The voltage rise is influenced by this capacitor.
                  When the capacitor size is exactly matched to the coils capacitance (I guess), There is the maximum voltage rise, with a strong magnetic field, seen by a compass
                  It becomes a series parallel current amplified coil.
                  here is an article about that:

                  Doubles Magnetic Field

                  And this picture of me describes it a bit. The series capacitor is not only at the beginning and ending of the coil, but all between the two windings.



                  The current draw on the pulsed coil goed suddenly up, when the resonant frequency is approached of the the tuned (10nF parallel, gives maximum voltage rise) bifilar resonant coil.

                  I was surprised at how strong the magnetic field was, I use bifilar coils with a large center hole (normally weakening the magnetic field), but the compass was very strongly attrackted to the large hole center. (no use of ferrite, just a resonant coil).

                  For those interested, I made my research open to the world and it can be found here:
                  evostars

                  its to much to post on all the forums. So if you are interested...
                  sharing is caring

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                  • I see your stuff, it goes on for hours. If possible can you give
                    a synopsis of targeted goals? In other words "What can you do with it"?

                    I do not mean this disrespectfully at all, I am trying to understand what
                    you are trying to build. Is it a dipole? What is it? AND what does it do?

                    Just simple answers for an entry level communication into this research.

                    Does it get extra somewhere? Is it a verification of something?

                    What is it for? When the current goes up does the voltage go down?

                    Thanks in advance EVO

                    I see the open research and I would like to apply it to my work if I
                    could understand the goal.

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                    • Negative Inductance.

                      This video demonstrates how the Tesla series bifilar coil generates and stores power; Not measured in units of electrical output, but the spontaneous increase of a measurable magnetic field. The second nested series bifilar coil acts as a ferrite core, and the gain in power is a consequence of resonance:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2xEKH4qdc

                      The negative inductance reading went over the scale limit in mH. I then tried to turn the meter off instead of switching to a higher setting; This momentary short resulted in a series of faulty readings toward the end of the video.
                      Last edited by Allen Burgess; 10-05-2017, 09:47 PM.

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                      • Comparing the magnetic fields of regular and 4 inch diameter bifilar coil
                        using a trifield meter. Significant improvement with bifilar where the application
                        does not need a pancake layout.

                        Both arduino signal generators set the same
                        the larger bifilar having over 10 times the strength.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwvA0ebhvfI
                        Last edited by mikrovolt; 10-11-2017, 04:57 AM.

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                        • Resonance with a third field, without magnetic properties

                          I found out, when I pulse a bifilar coil with back emf, it creates a resonance between the dielectric field and a third field.

                          This third field has no magnetic properties.

                          Normally the field is resonating between the dielectric field and the magnetic field.
                          Both these fields can be measured.

                          But when pulsed with back emf, I can only measure the voltage of the dielectric field. When this Sine wave is zero volts, the energy of the dielectric field is transformed into another field.

                          this video tells more about it:

                          https://youtu.be/X0axISEVNVk

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                          • Originally posted by evostars View Post
                            I found out, when I pulse a bifilar coil with back emf, it creates a resonance between the dielectric field and a third field.

                            This third field has no magnetic properties.

                            Normally the field is resonating between the dielectric field and the magnetic field.
                            Both these fields can be measured.

                            But when pulsed with back emf, I can only measure the voltage of the dielectric field. When this Sine wave is zero volts, the energy of the dielectric field is transformed into another field.

                            this video tells more about it:

                            https://youtu.be/X0axISEVNVk

                            Hello evostars !


                            very nice video; i would like to see your explanation using some drawings if possible, because you talk about three fields and they interact with each other, i am also working with similar idea which is the extended Tesla bifilar coil, in short the ETBC, this coil show double frequency compared normal parallel LC with the same value of C and L ! this is to be expected because instead of 2 field ( magnetic And electric in ordinary parallel LC ) we have another radiant field .. i hope to see your explanation !

                            thanks in advance

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                            • Originally posted by evostars View Post
                              I found out, when I pulse a bifilar coil with back emf, it creates a resonance between the dielectric field and a third field.

                              This third field has no magnetic properties.

                              Normally the field is resonating between the dielectric field and the magnetic field.
                              Both these fields can be measured.

                              But when pulsed with back emf, I can only measure the voltage of the dielectric field. When this Sine wave is zero volts, the energy of the dielectric field is transformed into another field.

                              this video tells more about it:

                              https://youtu.be/X0axISEVNVk
                              Thank you for posting your finding, Evo
                              I don't have time to say much now, but what comes to me is the coil's interaction with the aether at zero crossing. On a cylindrical inductor, this occurs at the half way point where the "bloch wall" is located. I will post something from John Bedini about this later. If aetheric interaction is occurring, I wonder if that would take place at the center of the coil. Looking forward to watching the video this evening.
                              Bob

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                              • Here is the post by John Bedini I mentioned I'd share:
                                Originally posted by John_Bedini View Post
                                ...
                                At a different point in time I will discuss what the coil is and how quantum mechanics plays an important part in all of this and how you get the extra energy out of the system. I did write a paper for University of Edinburgh along with Dave Clemons that explained the way the coil works in the system as an energy pump and how the SSG in attraction mode works. This is why I said, the Back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. If you look at the coil in space it can be viewed with vectors all pointing in but not coupled to form energy. As the coil is pulsed compression and decompression takes place these vectors get sucked in through the Bloch Wall while it is in compression mode forming magnetic poles, North and South. This was never released to the public as it would drive everybody nuts. The Engineers at the school answered me with; we never looked at it this way. But the analyses were correct and explained why some machines work better in different areas of this God forsaken planet. Yes Gravity plays an important part in all of this. It’s only a matter of time when you will tap that Gravity wave for energy as that is where my experiments have led me in my work. I know you will read this many times to understand what I have just said and you all know the meaning of this if you do it. If we take this further you now have discovered the answer to the TPU. Some say that the Shaman resonance is responsible for this but the energy is driven by gravity that permeates everything throughout space it’s just a matter how it’s taped for energy. Solid state devices detect this wave if arranged correctly and then the TPU becomes not complicated anymore with windings and high frequency’s oscillators that is what powered Tesla’s car, the box with many vacuum tubes, so again the term Free Energy is wrong as you must put some form of energy in to start the process of conversion and hope you get more out.
                                Just remember that the energy cannot be destroyed it can only be converted into another form, for example the last version of the SSG. The unit converts the spikes and then filters it to be used with a Linear Amplifier Regulator. Just something to think about, so keep up your good work at least your group is getting somewhere here with this type of system. Good work all. I’m honored that you all would mention my early work, so thank you all.
                                John Bedini

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