Magnetic field of a bifilar pancake coil

[Allen Burgess]

Bifilar "H" field

MAybe, I should post it, see what happens

Tesla states that the series bifilar pancake coil generates 250,000 the electrical potential as the single wire coil of equal turns. He goes on to state that it's the elevated charge storage that cancels self inductance at any input current or frequency. Hence, as evostars points out the bifilar produces "No Flyback"!

The biflar coil generates a stronger magnetic field than the single wire coil when it's pulsed, as I've been pointing out for over eight years.

[Ufopolitics]

Some clarification...

The biflar coil generates a stronger magnetic field than the single wire coil when it's pulsed, as I've been pointing out for over eight years.

Hello Allen,

I would like to add some specifications (could be taken as clarifications as well) to your quoted statement above...even though I am pretty sure you, as many more here know them all...but for others who do not know.

The Tesla Bifilar Coil -When it is NOT connected as shown on Patent (End of one terminal to start of other conductor)- but instead is pulsed (or even direct DC feed, not pulsed) PARALLEL at each start 1 + start 2 as one terminal as the two ends together, ONLY THEN is when it does generates a much stronger magnetic field than a single wire coil does, where we could say it takes field to an "Exponential Level".

Now, from the classic interpretation of the above it is well understood that we are using DOUBLE the X-Section area by using two wires in parallel which, of course, leads to consume higher amperage than a single wires does...explaining the stronger spatial field.

When we connect Bifilar as Patent drawing Both Magnetic Fields are completely canceled to a zero value, that is why it does cancel self inductance...just because there is no magnetic field there.

Now some "additional tips" on the Bifilar Coil:

...However, there are still more connection(s) possibilities available in that plain Bifilar Coil (so, keep thinking about it...)...as the suggested connections by Tesla could also have more applications than stated usage/app on Patent...keep thinking about it as well...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Diplomacy]

The Tesla Bifilar Coil -When it is NOT connected as shown on Patent (End of one terminal to start of other conductor)- but instead is pulsed (or even direct DC feed, not pulsed) PARALLEL at each start 1 + start 2 as one terminal as the two ends together, ONLY THEN is when it does generates a much stronger magnetic field than a single wire coil does, where we could say it takes field to an "Exponential Level".

Have you tried using such a coil as the exciting electromagnets in your figuera device experiments?

[Ufopolitics]

Have you tried using such a coil as the exciting electromagnets in your figuera device experiments?

Absolutely Diplomacy...and it has performed as expected...excellent!

But still, there is more to it...I will be posting that soon, however, it is not the subject of this Thread.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[evostars]

The Tesla Bifilar Coil -When it is NOT connected as shown on Patent (End of one terminal to start of other conductor)- but instead is pulsed (or even direct DC feed, not pulsed) PARALLEL at each start 1 + start 2 as one terminal as the two ends together, ONLY THEN is when it does generates a much stronger magnetic field than a single wire coil does, where we could say it takes field to an "Exponential Level".

Now, from the classic interpretation of the above it is well understood that we are using DOUBLE the X-Section area by using two wires in parallel which, of course, leads to consume higher amperage than a single wires does...explaining the stronger spatial field.

Thanks for the input ufopolitics

I'm not sure i understand, the coil is disconnected at the "bridge" between the first and second winding.
And the 2 separate coils are parallel pulsed. So, the current winds in the same direction.
Then the endings are also together.
basicly 2 pancake coils, bifilar wound, parallel connected, form outside to inside.
Giving half the impedance, double the current, and so a stronger magnetic field?

[evostars]

Absolutely Diplomacy...and it has performed as expected...excellent!

But still, there is more to it...I will be posting that soon, however, it is not the subject of this Thread.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Well if it is related post it!, it sure is interesting, maybe you could share the link to that thread?

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks for the input ufopolitics

I'm not sure i understand, the coil is disconnected at the "bridge" between the first and second winding.
And the 2 separate coils are parallel pulsed. So, the current winds in the same direction.
Then the endings are also together.
basicly 2 pancake coils, bifilar wound, parallel connected, form outside to inside.
Giving half the impedance, double the current, and so a stronger magnetic field?

Yes Evo, that is correct.

We could talk "Multi-Filar" Coils would rise a stronger Magnetic Field than a Single wire would. So a Bifilar (two wires) would Double the Field strength than one single wire would do and so on. Considering we are comparing same gauge wire or awg for the testing examples.

And then again, I said "not related" because not necessarily we need to keep the same Geometry as of the "Flat Pancake" looks like...but more of a "Cylindrical Geo".

And sorry, I did not wanted to create any disturbance on your very nice thread.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[evostars]

I've seen a video of a bifilar coil which didn't really show a magnetic field, but it did power a second bifilar coil through coupling of the fields:
https://youtu.be/XGyz31yaCdw

I've been wondering how this can be.

I just realized, those coils, had a relative large hole in the center, compared to the windings.
The hole, is where the magnetic"poles" concentrates. With a large hole in the center, the magnetic field could be a lot weaker, then with a small hole in the center.

I have thought about the relationship between the hole and the wire surface before. I than came to the conclusion, that it must be Phi (1.618025751... not pi) related.

I started looking at the pentagram, since it is al phi related in its geometry.
from here, I came to the conclusion, if the diameter of the inner hole is 1 then the diameter of the outer winding should be phi*phi (2.168025751)
When you subtract the inner diameter, you get Phi again.

Beautiful number Phi. Seen everywhere in nature.

I based a 3d toroid on these ratios, and found out, if it is wound with a wire (not straight, but in and out, via 8 sections) The wire fits perfect, it travels straight. Very inspiring.

So from a 2D 5 pointed star (pentagram) I went to a 3D 8 pointed winding.

For the strongest magnetic field, I would wind the bifilar coil, with the smallest hole in the center, so the magnetic field is focused to the max. But Because its also about the dielectric field, and not only the magnetic, and the dielectric field is related to the wire area, I would suggest, using the PHI ratio, as described above

[Allen Burgess]

Top Gun Bogy.

Tinselkoala got his tail feathers singed for good over at the Overunity site.

[evostars]

Tinselkoala got his tail feathers singed for good over at the Overunity site.

Thats sad, I wish him all the best. One can not force love into anothers heart, or force them to open their minds.
I see Milehigh has also not been posting since april 23?! unusual.

The whole thread has a different vibe. Good things are being said.

[evostars]

BroMikey
PLease share your findings, together we will understand more.
Good to know, you got inspired.

I keep saying it. Alot seems to be known about the magnetic field, but very little is known about the dielectric field, and its interaction with the magnetic field.

Tesla knew a lot of this field, and it has been censored away. The magnetic field has become a distraction from the dielectric field to many it seems.

For me its also about a shift in consciousness. From the polarised duality of the magnetic field, to the unity of the dielectric field.
From thinking linear, A to C ,
to simultaneous, from B(the middle, dielectric) to A and C (the polarized duality of the magnetic field)
From the analytic linear head/mind to the knowing heart

[evostars]

I have 2 single wire pancake coils. I decided to hook them up in series. inductance measured around 1mH It gave a north and a south pole on the outside and inside.

Then I reversed the connection, so it would repel. Now the south is on the outside top and bottom, and the north is on the inside in repulsion.
The inductance measured was 0,015mH (1.5% of before) still the current throught the coil was the same, and the voltage also.

The thing is, the inside north (repulsing) poles, are "shielded" from the outside south poles. this is only with pancake coils.

If I think of the the field formed by this configuration, then, there is are counter rotating north magnetic fields in between the 2 coils, creating outwards pressure, and probably turbulance.

looking at the top or the bottom coil, there are south pole vortexes, sucking the energy in.

If a coil would be made with a large surface area, the south pole vortexes would be bigger.

also if with this bigger diameter coil, the outside rim, would be circled with a iron ring, the north pole pressure turbulances would be confined.

Just spinning some thoughts.

[RAMSET]

an investigation into transmission line theory

NOTE ,I WILL REMOVE THIS POST IF YOU WISH.


Sir
over at your thread At Stefan's I know you preferred to take your own path [commendable]

however one of our friends partzman has given us permission to investigate anomalies which he feels have OU 'tendencies" in Bifilar coils.
these anomalies are said to be more inline with transmission line theories.

he calls it MEI [magneto electric induction]

it represents years of his work [and others work]

you are welcomed to participate ,however I must post one comment.
He really likes working with TinselKoala and similar persons and has recently had a nice result /verification] of his work By Tinsel
while the findings are preliminary the collaboration is encouraging.

I know somehow here I read things about TinselKoala which seem quite unfounded and odd.

the bar for respect is being raised at Stefan's forum ,and that is a good thing
to see here and everywhere.

with respect and gratitude
Chet
PS
I do believe there may be a thread here already for MEI,I will check
and just for clarity ,experimenters will be supplied with sample bifilar coils
once the geometry and size can me decided on.

so there is continuity in the experimental path [just one of many paths]

PPS since this is transmission line theory, we may connect the work of ambient harvesting [JacknoskillsPDF http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...capacitor.html
as well as some pulsing experiments

[evostars]

NOTE ,I WILL REMOVE THIS POST IF YOU WISH.


Sir
over at your thread At Stefan's I know you preferred to take your own path [commendable]

however one of our friends partzman has given us permission to investigate anomalies which he feels have OU 'tendencies" in Bifilar coils.
these anomalies are said to be more inline with transmission line theories.

he calls it MEI [magneto electric induction]

it represents years of his work [and others work]

you are welcomed to participate ,however I must post one comment.
He really likes working with TinselKoala and similar persons and has recently had a nice result /verification] of his work By Tinsel
while the findings are preliminary the collaboration is encouraging.

I know somehow here I read things about TinselKoala which seem quite unfounded and odd.

the bar for respect is being raised at Stefan's forum ,and that is a good thing
to see here and everywhere.

with respect and gratitude
Chet
PS
I do believe there may be a thread here already for MEI,I will check
and just for clarity ,experimenters will be supplied with sample bifilar coils
once the geometry and size can me decided on.

so there is continuity in the experimental path [just one of many paths]

PPS since this is transmission line theory, we may connect the work of ambient harvesting [JacknoskillsPDF http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...capacitor.html
as well as some pulsing experiments

Together we will find out what the bifilar coil is all about.

[ET-Power]

I have 2 single wire pancake coils. I decided to hook them up in series. inductance measured around 1mH It gave a north and a south pole on the outside and inside.

Then I reversed the connection, so it would repel. Now the south is on the outside top and bottom, and the north is on the inside in repulsion.
The inductance measured was 0,015mH (1.5% of before) still the current throught the coil was the same, and the voltage also.

The thing is, the inside north (repulsing) poles, are "shielded" from the outside south poles. this is only with pancake coils.

If I think of the the field formed by this configuration, then, there is are counter rotating north magnetic fields in between the 2 coils, creating outwards pressure, and probably turbulance.

looking at the top or the bottom coil, there are south pole vortexes, sucking the energy in.

If a coil would be made with a large surface area, the south pole vortexes would be bigger.

also if with this bigger diameter coil, the outside rim, would be circled with a iron ring, the north pole pressure turbulances would be confined.

Just spinning some thoughts.

Sorry for my absence lately...

I believe I am very much envisioning what you're referring to. I can see the craft in my mind. With those two repelling each other it could make an EM Craft, Teleportation device, and/or both.

I'll volunteer to stand in the middle of the turbulances!