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  • Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    Hello my dear friend Gambeir,

    Well, as everyone can tell, I no longer enter into Energetic Forum that often...I only do it when I want to clarify something, have a nice argument over an interesting subject... or to enter important data that would help you all accomplish your dreams...

    I believe we already had a similar discussion before...

    I am now giving you (and everyone reading) a very interesting Article I found, and completely read...

    Please read it till the end (except for recent sightings and pic's at end) which is not that important.

    FILER'S FILES 33-2019: UFO CAN NOT BE REVERSED ENGINEERED

    Only after you fully read it, then, you will be able to tell me your opinion...

    Kind regards


    Ufopolitics

    PD: And...if by any chance my post here annoys or interrupts in some form to your direction of thinking...please let me know...I will delete it right away.
    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    Ufopolitics

    PD: And...if by any chance my post here annoys or interrupts in some form to your direction of thinking...please let me know...I will delete it right away.
    Nothing of the sort Ufopolitics, I always appreciate what you have to offer. I will offer this for the moment. For you of course I would never say there are no aliens. For public consumption I am compelled to deny there are because they are using that to hide abductions, murder, and theft on a planetary scale.

    I look forward to reading your link.

    My contention has always been that by application of criminal investigative techniques, and applied to a historical path would reveal the path and the technology, and there is a traceable path, logically deduced, which leads to the beginnings of Saucer Technology.

    A thumbnail sketch of the historical outline follows.

    Of course it begins with electrostatics and the means to develop high voltage currents from simple devices. As for how that fits in with astrophysics here's what I have as thumbnail sketch.

    We have CRT's by the late 1800's, and we know that the ether theory was conjectured to be a fluid before 1900 and lead to one of the first early technological pushes to create liquid helium and then later 3 &4 superfluids and then the push to develop more and more powerful electromagnets eventually moving into liquid cooling.

    Radio replaced wireless and by 1920 we had the Cockcroft–Walton (CW) generator, or multiplier, and at the same time we also had development of the Barkhausen–Kurz tube, which by 1931 this system had transmitted over 40 miles across the English channel with superior results in a compact system, later forming the foundations for radar. The Barkhausen-Kurz tube generated radio waves at microwave frequencies. In the same year we get the development of low powerd cyclotron, and in 1937 high powered Klystrons.

    https://gerryliyana.weebly.com/uploa...6009910--1.pdf

    These are all the basics we need for fairly advanced saucers. The theoretical had been formed with ether physics, and it is apparent to me that there then came a realization from somewhere that the understanding of this would lead to the destruction of the power supply free meal ticket of the ubber rich and the probable inability to continue to control the flow of goods and services, to manipulate resources and people in short, and so began the re-education with a corrupted science.

    Could this have all started with alien technology? Why not? I don't think it was living alien, but it might have been dead alien. Especially considering the lengthy time it took to figure it out, and which later seems to have been validated with the work of Joe Parr.

    Remember that I've already cited the work of Joe Parr and of the now scrubbed information about the lost snowshoe traveler's in Antarctica, circa 1964 or thereabouts, and whom purportedly made a discovery of vases filled with some kind of written documents. Unfortunately I have not yet been able to locate another reference to this even though it was covered in the newspapers of that time. Google scrubbs information and or puts it so for off the beaten path that it's virtually lost.

    Now I will have to read your material.

    I leave you with this UFO Politics...good friend>think Alexey.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_deflection
    Last edited by Gambeir; 08-16-2019, 10:35 AM.
    "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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    • My opinion is that it benefits the researcher and historian to have a background in police science, pre-law, and critical reasoning. What we have is a story of physics propagandized through education as knowledge. Now does a policeman just take your word as truth? Lol~ yea right huh? So no, this is invention and anyone suspecting there's collusion can find that collusion, and which then discounts and or invalidates the story in whole.

      Of course nobody is ever going to successfully figure out how a machine with no evident propulsion system works if they try to use the wrong formula and that wrong formula is Einsteinian Physics obviously enough. The right formula is Wheeler Physic's: Can't think of a better term frankly.

      My advice is that until a person accepts the ether theory and then progresses on to take in some of Ken Wheelers physics they will never figure it out. We know why and how a machine without an obvious propulsion system works. Hell, I almost drew it out myself a page or so back. So there's no doubt about that. Not in my mind anyways. Maybe we aren't there ourselves yet technologically. Maybe we aren't able to fully reproduce it, but we understand it, I understand it, and I can't imagine others cannot also understand it. I mean consider who these others supposedly are because these are people whom supposedly are vastly better qualified, and some own huge corporations with an army of people in engineering, physics, electronics, and so shouldn't they also be able to figure it out?

      Well maybe not, maybe they are still blinded by science, because they don't have a policeman, or a detective, or a historian on their team, because we actually do have a historical record which cross validates how such a device might work, and I expect any one of those three might see there is a connection to this idea of a machine without guts, without motors, without much of any obvious propulsion system and here I would look back in the news papers of Italy before WWII.

      Of course once again, if someone thinks gravity is a field innate to matter as theorized by Albert then they are screwed from the get go. Blinded by Science; remember they tell us the truth all the time and that's an in your face truth. So until a person gets this idea in their head, which I've repeatedly tried to do here for others, and by using Ken Wheelers own video about eddy currents and magnets dropped down tubes of conductive materials, then measuring the relative weight in the process, which is showing eddy currents are a byproduct effect, and that what the experiment really demonstrates is that weight in mass is an induction process, and until a person grock's that then they are never ever going to get how any of this stuff works. God forbid you're still lost in space with Timestein and his theories.

      Here's a truth humanity needs to remember that the criminal corporations do not care about. Everything any intelligent species will ever create will be born from nature. If it can be created, it is a re-creation, and it is an assured fact that what appears as unimaginable alien technology is probably alien alright, only it's the aliens in the garden because that's one hell of an alien world.

      We are talking here about layering and in the vernacular of physicists it would be something about electron spins in our age. Tomorrow that will seem like comparing the human body to hydraulic pumps and valves as it was in the past, but today we know that some of these recovered materials supposedly have all this complexity which supposedly we ourselves cannot reproduce but which involves layering.

      Now of course when you get this idea down that gravity is incoherent magnetism, and that weight in mass is inductive energies, then obviously a rational solution is to find a way to block the induction, and ya know there was that post about the Italian and his radio antenna aeroplane in this thread, and that was reported in the papers. Now of course it all disappeared but if you think something like that Italian tinkertoy aeroplane was forgotten easily you would have to be really gullible. Italy not only gave birth to fascism, but it also gave birth to the Jet motor in the form of the thermojet, and that is a jet motor. We think that we are so advanced and we forget how nothing has changed; everyone in every epoch was just as smart as we are. If there's a will there is a way and if the military is involved then failure is not accepted because the military is in business to do the impossible in the first place.

      https://nationalufocenter.com/2019/0...se-engineered/


      "The FluxLiner is not a myth." There are worlds of differences between saying something is an Alien Reproduction as opposed to calling it the Fluxliner.

      "The only people who make such bold claims of successful reverse-engineering of the craft are accused frauds such as Bob Lazar, Richard Doty and Corey Goode."

      All three possible victims of brainwashing is what I'd keep in mind.

      I have never made any such claim myself. Instead I've maintained that the machine is a natural product whose history is traceable, primarily though history which demonstrates a guided path of technological development arising out of the ether theory, and this is essentially the same argument made by William Lyne and Henry Stevens.

      I think it's especially vicious to include Mr. Lazar with Corey Goode. I am pretty confident that Mr. Lazar is a victim of brainwashing and that all he has said is what he honestly believes is true. In his mind it is true and considering what we know about the consequences of a fractured personality it is unlikely he will ever be able to recover accurate recall of his past. Again, signing up to work around this click; the military contractors, private prisons, and frankly it's beginning to look like the cops too, as well as almost any private corporation is evidently becoming increasingly risky in that possible brainwashing or involuntary drugging seems to be a new threatening possibility.

      Now it would not surprise me if these people with this technology hadn't made contact with an alien species. I just cannot say that what we are seeing is alien because, as I've explained, the object here is create a slave sub-species, which is us, and they, living in the Heavens as it were, have self-selected themselves to be our rulers and Gods. It's a Nazi ideal, heck could even be the new Jewish Nazi ideal by the looks of it, but the Superman motif was never been abandoned and the goal of the ubber rich has been and remains the creation of the idealized man served by a slave species.
      Last edited by Gambeir; 08-16-2019, 10:56 AM.
      "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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      • Ufopolitics;

        I heard Richard Dolan use the dog food analogy. I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson that first used the same analogy. If I'm correct you now know where it came from and that analogy is what is called an injected meme. Something injected in to the mass culture on purpose to create an effect. I myself would not see that as accidental quite frankly. I see this as very crude attempt to convince you how you need a master race because you choose to be groveling dogs. However considering the level of mind control that Einsteinian Physics has and the massive indoctrination and gestapo like persecution of any, and I do mean any other theory, might lead one to think that Neil deGrasse Tyson and or Richard Dolan are just more cases of other people trying to explain the UFO mystery, and who believes they know a whole lot, but can't figure it out: Blinded by Science, an so there's this invention of we are too stupid to figure it out. Now if you believe that you're selling the human species short I can assure you.

        We will probably see the dog food analogy used on "The Big Bang Theory" next. People are so oblivious and assume that science is somehow incorruptible. Believe me I've delt with some highly intelligent people that have zero understanding of crime and criminal reasoning.

        It was hard for me to read through the article. I mean just look, Einsteinian Physics can't explain it, and yet again will they look to find answers elsewhere? Now try to tell them Einsteinian Physics is not only wrong, but also was made to be wrong, that it was built upon a foundation of assumptions which have rarely been questioned, almost never even noticed, and which appears to me to be criminally inspired. When one theory won't answer a mystery then it's no longer a workable hypothesis and rejecting another hypothesis which will is not the way we solve crimes and mysteries.
        Anything else?
        Last edited by Gambeir; 08-16-2019, 08:57 AM.
        "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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        • UFO's and Canned Dog Food.

          Are we so stupid to say that we will never be able to figure out UFO's because the technology is "alien?"

          Only if we are seriously gullible, or mind controlled by propaganda, because all a person has to do is real William Lyne's book; "Occult Either Physic's."

          You don't even have to pay a single penny to read the book. It's free, just like Ken Wheeler's book is free, so the idea that we are too stupid to understand UFO's is true if a person insists, as some evidently do, on ignoring the facts. This isn't a book review club here. Read it or remain an idiot unawares of the real history behind the true physics of UFO's and the people who made them possible, which really comes down to Tesla.

          https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/al...%20physics.pdf

          https://archive.org/details/pdfy-K7B7gF9HAROKZv80

          The same thing can be said about Ken Wheeler's work. Read it, or at least try to become a little familiar with the concepts because all Ken Wheeler is telling us comes from the fact that he is a historian and has researched this area in great detail. Anyone taking issue with Ken Wheeler isn't actually taking issue with Ken for the greater part.

          In his consideration of the nature of "ponderable matter", Faraday had suggested that an atom may be nothing more than a field of force—electric, magnetic and gravitational—surrounding a point-centre, which is completely penetrable (Bence Jones' Life of Faraday, ii, p. 178).
          William Lyne's book; "Occult Either Physic's." page 36

          If a person is going to reject Ken Wheeler then realize they are not rejecting Ken Wheeler, instead they are acually rejecting Michael Faraday and then basically everyone else of any significance who comes after Michael and frankly rejecting Faraday is akin to rejecting God. I have no time for satanism and or fools for that matter.

          As far as I can tell, everything Michael thought about the nature of the Universe is fundamentally correct. Ken is a brilliant independent thinker but most of what he tells us is formulated upon the shoulders of giants and so rejecting and ignoring his voice and work is about the same difference. The world is full of fools and it is the objective of dog food salesman to convince you it's OK to be a dog because the claim now appears to be that no human can understand UFO's because we are like dogs.

          Here's another Dog Food Salesman. Slavery is good, Palestinians want to be slaves, We need to enslave them for their own good.
          Gulp down that Einsteinian Physics; you want to be slaves, slavery is your choice, you need to be enslaved because you're dogs.
          It's the same logic people. You have been given the choice and have your own mind but will you use it? If not they will enslave you.
          https://mondoweiss.net/2019/08/milit...ians-enslaved/
          Last edited by Gambeir; 08-16-2019, 11:49 AM.
          "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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          • Let's get back to some ideas about working with incoherent magnetism and the gravitational forces it produces.

            Now if you look at the Alexey you've got an aluminum plate, a conductor and a paramagnetic material, which has a HV charge applied and which I believe could be thought of as capacitor on one hand and an as a somewhat desirable inductive medium for dielectric energies.

            "Electrostatic deflection is very useful for small deflection angles but is well known to be inferior to magnetic deflection for deflecting a charged particle beam into large angles - say over 10 degrees."
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_deflection

            One might reword this so that the explanation more correctly approximates or is consistent with Tesla's (Thomson's, Faraday's, Maxwell's) "tubes of force"

            Most of Thomson's 1881 work harken's back to Maxwell, and before
            him, Faraday, who had stated in 1831 that movement of an
            electrostatically charged body is equivalent to a current, which was
            described as a tube of force created by movement and momentum
            (Faraday, Experimental Res. Sec. 1644; Maxwell, Treatise, Secs. 768-70).
            Page 32. "Occult Either Physics." By William Lyne.


            "For electrostatic deflection, the applied electric field is arranged so that it lies in the plane perpendicular to the initial direction of the stream. The particles are accelerated by this force in proportion to the charge of the particles. The path the particles follow depends on their sideways acceleration and their velocity when they enter the deflecting field."
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_deflection

            In the Alexey we appear to be looking at a mechanical magnetic deflection of the electrostatic field which is producing a stable spherical or ring of ejected energies. There is also the polarized DC field applied to the magnets with a negative field to the lower portion and the positive to the upper. Logic says that the significant deflection of the electrostatic field will be in an arc sown downwards off the bottom of energized aluminum plate due to the magnets location.

            Now the relative angle of the deflection is produced by the power of the magnetic and DC circuit in relation to the relative distance from the energized plate and in addition to the diameter of spread of the spinning magnets. This is what I think. I also hypothesize that the HV AC field is acting as the dielectric inductive field which is sustaining a charge in the plate for some period of time with the polarized magnetic field acting in conjunction with the rotating magnetic field to find and sort the AC out in to a DC field which is deflected by the spinning lower magnetic plate for the majority of energetic reactionary propulsion. Hope that makes some sense.

            There is also no focusing of this ejected electrostatic emission and that's almost sure to be of some critical importance. Focusing could be accomplished by a number of ways which would undoubted aid thrust. I say this because Mantim Lee's calculations showed a potential *8K lbs of thrust, which is a phenomenal figure and so where is it going then? If it were properly focused then one would expect the Alexey to accelerate away at velocities likely to be greater than a bullet as the thrust to weight ratio would be unprecedented.

            Another thing to notice about the Alexey is the similarity it shares with how a cyclotron sorts out energy, and in addition how the equally spaced magnets spinning around in a circle can be seen as cutting a spiral magnetic guide over the surface of the charged plate, producing circular tracks, evidently without interruption, as opposed to a cyclotrons Dee's which features a curved spiral wave guide with a central cut in between, and through which a square wave is projected that acts to push and pull upon the electrons to act as an accelerator.

            In the Alexey the spacing of the magnets might be seen as replicating the spacing of the spiral wave guide that is cut/split in half in the Dee's of a cyclotron, and which could be sorting charges by accelerating electrons in a similar manner. We might then see this spinning magnetic plate as acting to sort and accelerate electrons using magnetic deflection. If correct the crude arrangement most likely creates a hit miss effect not unlike the sort of arrangement first put on airplanes to deflect machine gun bullets off the spinning propeller. In which case a potential thrust may exist but the reality may be a lot of wasted energy since few of the desired electrons get intercepted for acceleration and most are knocked off course. All these factors combined help to understand where is the missing thrust and to assist in understanding how this machine is most likely working.
            Last edited by Gambeir; 08-16-2019, 08:38 AM.
            "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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            • Here ya go Ufopolitics. I melted it down for you and everyone else. Sorry I couldn't have done it earlier. Takes the night crew some time to actually do the requested work, but in this case for some reason they managed to come in early. Evidently the dog food meme must hold some significance to them. BTW, it is my understanding that mufon is now owned by the CIA.

              The Dog Food Meme explained.
              https://nationalufocenter.com/2019/0...se-engineered/
              The choice of using us as dogs trying to discover where dog food comes from is a direct reference to the believed superiority and rightful ownership over all of us by the billionaires, because they believe that they produce the food for us dogs, and dogs are too stupid know where dog food comes from, and that they are our masters and we should rightfully obey them as dogs do their masters. It really can't get any clearer than that. That's what this meme is all about. It is by no means accidental and it proves in no uncertain terms that this group holds the secrets we wonder about. It is that simple.

              Understand?

              This is a direct message from the Atlas Shrugged fascista crowd: Got bullets? See the devil hand sign of Frances puppet king as well as many others? All dogs, signaling their master that they hear and obey. I bet this will be a required salute...how much...any takers on that one?

              Proves I'm right, proves Richard Dolan is right about there being a breakaway civilization, and that he may know that, he's not selling that dog food analogy by accident for the simple reason that he's not stupid by a long shot and for him to market such a meme proves that Billionaires now hold absolute authority, and proves that before long they intend to prove their rightful place as our masters. Which might possibly explain that Dolan is smarter than I am and sold out early. Now are we going to be dogs or not? If so we are going to have to obey a lot ya know.

              Wuff, wuff...see 4 chan porn to really appreciate the full implication of that if you dare. Not that you have to mind you. A person can continue to live in denial like so many other, at least for the immediate time frame, but you should know that dogs have tails, or in the case of those willing to obey it will be a prosthetic tail. Some have come here with their prosthetic already implanted calling me a liar, naturally, calling Wheeler a liar, naturally: Dogs too stupid to be able to figure out where dog food comes from. So I just want you to know that story about RFID Chips is probably true, but it's been slightly modified for entertainment purposes and so it's not going to be a mark put on your head, or hand, it's going to be put right wear dogs wear their tails to please their owners, right between our legs.

              Don't say I didn't warn you and this is not a joke by any means either.
              Last edited by Gambeir; 08-16-2019, 12:04 PM.
              "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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              • Sheep and Dogs...

                Hello Gambeir,

                I do not like MUFON at all either, long ago I had a big argument about CGI Videos versus real ones, related to the UFO-Jerusalem, I made a couple of videos about this event:

                [VIDEO]https://youtube.com/watch?v=TzIw5HHRQBs[/VIDEO]

                [VIDEO]https://youtube.com/watch?v=V7vBA4GUTkE[/VIDEO]

                On the second video at the end I cite the comments from Marc D'Antonio from MUFON:

                Not consistency on the Jerusalem UFO Movements, on one video UFO moves right, on another moves left...I am almost certain it was a hoax..."
                The last video clarifies the filming spots on all videos, with a map showing North and all related coordinates.

                And about "Dog Food"...I rather use the conventional name...based on Sheep, not dogs..."Sheeple"...Sheeps always need a Pastor, a guide, and even so they get lost easy, they are very slow and dumb, they are very easy to move back and forth...without any opposition.

                besides, I like dogs, they are friendly, loyal, and very smart ...


                Will discuss UFO article later.


                Ufopolitics
                Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                • Ufo=free energy/ arv bs

                  Hello again,


                  First thing We must start from a simple Formula:

                  UFO=FREE ENERGY.

                  Having this simple formula in mind, every thing else related to Disclosure about UFO's, hidden files, hidden Agendas, etc,etc make perfect sense.

                  Secondly, our Science has NOT developed yet, as to have a full view of the entire Universe...all the farting rocket engines have very limited reach...like a kid can only play on his close playground...on his neighborhood.

                  This Article relates to a very well hidden -but very interesting- relationship between the DoD and their "Contractors".

                  I have read MANY TIMES by now, that these ships have NO ENGINE and no "POWER SOURCE"...no "FUEL"...nor anything that even looks like an "APPARATUS"...nada, just an EMPTY Room with seats...

                  What make it fly?...where is the engine?, where is the power source?

                  How can ANYONE replicate something out of nada?

                  While the DoD "Contractors" keep getting billions for the Research & Development job.

                  Ship have no "Fasteners" to attach panels...meaning, no rivets, no bolts-nuts...all sealed surfaces of unknown metals....well, except the sudden 'discovery" of carbon fibers mixed with earth epoxy and polyester resins...generated a good craft material...plus optic fibers "discovery" etc,etc...

                  And so they have tested the ships on Air Tunnels to measure their "air resistance"...

                  Since 1947 crash...and no development whatsoever.


                  This is EXACTLY like showing a caveman, a Surface Laptop or an IPhone...expecting he could tell you "how it works"?...plus what is inside of it.

                  Regards


                  Ufopolitics
                  Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                  • A simple analysis on the creation of a Magnetic Field...

                    Caveman?...Are you saying we are ALL cavemen?

                    Yes, related to a Technology which is Thousands of Years ahead...yes.

                    Plus if we analyze a simple experiment with a piece of enameled wire...A simple analysis on the creation-generation of a Magnetic Field...

                    We ALWAYS MUST WRAP wire into a COIL, in a SPIRAL GEOMETRY, in order to make a Magnetic Field.

                    You could try zigzagging the wire without making closed loops which is a SPIRAL, and NO FIELD is ever generated, no matter how many layers of zigzag wire you stock in layers arrays...not closed loop spiral=no magnetic field.

                    So, what is the conclusion here?

                    Simple, in order to make a Magnetic Field out of thin air (call it Aether if u like) We ALWAYS need the SPIRAL GEOMETRY...which by now is called a simple coil...no matter if it is square, rectangular, elliptical or else...it MUST BE IN A CLOSED-PROGRESSIVE SPIRAL.

                    And yet, We STILL DON'T RECOGNIZE (or just "conveniently" don't want to)see that a Magnetic Field Geometry is a SPIRAL, since it can ONLY be created from a Spiral circulating Electrical Currents MOLD.

                    In plain Geometry, a Sphere Mold could only generate another Sphere, not a Cube, not a Pyramid...

                    Magnetic Fields are born from a Spiral Current Flow Mold, period.

                    And the IMPORTANT PART ABOVE, shows how bad is our analytical mind when it comes to "discerning-filtering-understanding" of such a simple Natural Phenomena like a Magnetic Field.

                    Now, imagine trying to "understand" a Craft, flying Light-Years at FTL speeds...from a much ADVANCED civilization in Thousands of Years ahead of Us.


                    But, even more important than all the above...is the Spiral Geometry, my friends.


                    Regards



                    Ufopolitics
                    Last edited by Ufopolitics; 08-16-2019, 04:24 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      Caveman?...Are you saying we are ALL cavemen?
                      Let's clear this up if possible. This Dog food meme is extremely important to understand completely without any mis-understanding. Our lives depend on it I can assure you. I do mean that globally at an individual level. Your butt is on the line whether you know it or not.

                      This is a direct threat coming from on high. You must understand it to understand missing persons, murders, and planetary theft.

                      I never said caveman or dogs nor have I implied any such thing. That's a mis-reading. I'm trying to help everyone understand how the Bilderbergs and other so-called elites see the rest of us.

                      The Dog food meme explains how they see you as a person, which is as a dog, and that is how they see you. Understand. This Dog Food Meme is a message. It is not just some simplistic thing Dolan conjured up. I doubt many psychologist's will disagree with on that.

                      It's Dog's, not caveman....big difference: Dogs, OK? Don't leap from Dog to Caveman; one is a primitive human and the other is an animal, and not just any animal either. Read what Richard did say.

                      Richard Dolan said we are; "akin to dogs trying to discover where dog food comes from."

                      This is not an accidental analogy. Richard did not use the comparison by accident. Richard is not stupid. If he was told that he is repeating it for a reason. I do not believe that he simply invented it on the fly.

                      Now, where do we all get our gas for our cars? Where do we all go to get food to live on? Who do we get our money from to buy what we need to survive from? Who provides all these things?

                      Do we get our food, our gas, our paychecks from aliens or from rich people who own corporations?

                      I saw the video where Richard Dolan forwards that analogy. It is an awkward moment. It isn't a naturally delivered analogy. It is one he has thought about and the interview it is delivered in appears contrived in my opinion.

                      You are being told by the Rich that you are a dog too stupid to figure out how UFO's work and as dogs you must obey your master or be destroyed.

                      Have I made this entirely 100% clear to you what this dog food analogy is all about now?

                      Before I address the significant issues involving advanced technology we need to clear the air on this so that it is entirely understood.

                      Keep Aliens apart from Psychopaths: Understand?

                      Tell me if this still not clear.

                      It would be helpful to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand only because this is the fictional bible of billionaires where they are the oppressed victims of ingrates, crooks, liars, and theives. It is a fictional book which was and still is given undeserved attention because it depicts the elites as victims of the rest of us. The rich see us as groveling dogs, stupid dogs, begging dogs, vicious dogs, and so forth. Dogs are pets when they obey and when they don't they are "put down." Dogs are also made to fight for sport and money.

                      Now is this understood? It's dogs, not cavemen, it's a message, it comes from the rich and it is not something accidentally conjured up on the fly as it would appear to the unawares.

                      It describes humanity as dogs.
                      It implies that good dogs behave and obey.
                      It says dogs are too stupid to understand.
                      It further implies they know and do understand.

                      Now, is there any doubt about who is speaking to you in this analogy?
                      It isn't Richard and it is not me either; it is the rich, the rulers, the people who own 99.8% of the planet.

                      If this is now understood entirely, and without error, then we can discuss the rest.

                      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      Yes, related to a Technology which is Thousands of Years ahead...yes.

                      Plus if we analyze a simple experiment with a piece of enameled wire...A simple analysis on the creation-generation of a Magnetic Field...

                      We ALWAYS MUST WRAP wire into a COIL, in a SPIRAL GEOMETRY, in order to make a Magnetic Field.

                      You could try zigzagging the wire without making closed loops which is a SPIRAL, and NO FIELD is ever generated, no matter how many layers of zigzag wire you stock in layers arrays...not closed loop spiral=no magnetic field.

                      So, what is the conclusion here?

                      Simple, in order to make a Magnetic Field out of thin air (call it Aether if u like) We ALWAYS need the SPIRAL GEOMETRY...which by now is called a simple coil...no matter if it is square, rectangular, elliptical or else...it MUST BE IN A CLOSED-PROGRESSIVE SPIRAL.

                      And yet, We STILL DON'T RECOGNIZE (or just "conveniently" don't want to)see that a Magnetic Field Geometry is a SPIRAL, since it can ONLY be created from a Spiral circulating Electrical Currents MOLD.

                      In plain Geometry, a Sphere Mold could only generate another Sphere, not a Cube, not a Pyramid...

                      Magnetic Fields are born from a Spiral Current Flow Mold, period.

                      And the IMPORTANT PART ABOVE, shows how bad is our analytical mind when it comes to "discerning-filtering-understanding" of such a simple Natural Phenomena like a Magnetic Field.

                      Now, imagine trying to "understand" a Craft, flying Light-Years at FTL speeds...from a much ADVANCED civilization in Thousands of Years ahead of Us.


                      But, even more important than all the above...is the Spiral Geometry, my friends.


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                      Ufopolitics
                      I only disagree with you in small measures Ufopolitics. You might think they are big, but they aren't, there's more to the dog food meme but for now this is enough.

                      Now where to start? I'll start with this:
                      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      more important than all the above...is the Spiral Geometry
                      Absolutely agree.

                      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      Magnetic Fields are born from a Spiral Current Flow Mold, period!
                      Absolutely agree.

                      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      in order to make a Magnetic Field out of thin air (call it Aether if u like) We ALWAYS need the SPIRAL GEOMETRY...which by now is called a simple coil...no matter if it is square, rectangular, elliptical or else...it MUST BE IN A CLOSED-PROGRESSIVE SPIRAL.
                      Agree.

                      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      And yet, We STILL DON'T RECOGNIZE (or just "conveniently" don't want to)see that a Magnetic Field Geometry is a SPIRAL, since it can ONLY be created from a Spiral circulating Electrical Currents MOLD.
                      Not so, I have recognized that and I drew it out on paper and showed that concept with the tetrahedron. The form produces the point source Ufopolitics.

                      Now granted, ideally we will come to figure out how to do this without the crutch of the form itself. The fact that I myself haven't figured out how to that doesn't mean it hasn't already been figured out. After all, I don't have the budget for it. However, if you can create the point source you have the rest. It's as simple as that. Do You Understand What I'm Saying In That?
                      Go Back And Look At The Tetrahedron Drawing.

                      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      a Technology which is Thousands of Years ahead
                      The first thing you need to understand is what a sexual psychopath is and then to understand you're being ruled by a group of them. Everything else follows and nothing precedes that power club.

                      You're dealing with criminals, not aliens, even if it is alien technology which I doubt very much.

                      Of course it's is thousands of years ahead Ufopolitics. Understand that first you're dealing with a cult, it is an ancient cult, it's sexually based and then they have co-opted the richest of the rich, by hook or by crook as the saying goes, and these people own the governments quite literally. The intelligence arms are operated by this cult. That's who they work for, they have been co-opted as agents for the ruling cabal.


                      It isn't and never has been the public or even the military investigating known artifacts such as Joe Parr was involved with. What government? It's a corporate owned and operated government with slaves posing as elect who command slave armies, and it is their minions, the corrupt intelligence arms whom enforce their orders and who construct plots on their command, but it is an elite club which possess the secrets. They control the speed of development in public technology. No one else does. All dogs work for them, no dogs are allowed to poop on the lawn. You can't just go to the Antarctic for a look see ya know. It's off limits by order of crime inc.


                      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                      Now, imagine trying to "understand" a Craft, flying Light-Years at FTL speeds...from a much ADVANCED civilization in Thousands of Years ahead of Us.
                      Don't have to imagine I've seen them, one in particular, the black tetrahedron.
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                      • Great sword sharpening contest guys

                        The opposite of Humane = non human = Alien

                        The cults see us as food.

                        All roads lead to the Lodge of Rome, it is a nesting place for unclean
                        birds, listen to the young man quote common facts


                        [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6TQ0ezBYlw&list=PLEAC24D0031C90118&index= 17[/VIDEO]

                        [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RITDas6Myiw&list=PLEAC24D0031C90118&index= 30[/VIDEO]
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                        • Here's the thing about these last posts. The aim of all evil humans is to amass centralized power and authority. One of the primary objects of this thread was to try to break down the belief that UFO's are alien vehicles because any technology which is capable of appearing as God Like is an enabling technology for abuse of power.

                          The only time in all of history where there was an equality between government and the people was in Colonial America and the reason was that the people themselves were the military and also had weapons equal to the military. If we allow this inequality to grow any larger than it already is there will be no nation on earth that can control or counter the current enemies of humanity. We must achieve some measure of equality as independent people.

                          Right now our nation is under attack by a collation of evil people. Money is power and today we have an outlandish out of wack balance of power in the form of centralized wealth. So fantastically great is the divide that no more than a handful, no more than six human beings, could by themselves end world hunger all on their own using their own wealth.

                          We have a collation of billionaires, somehow lawfully, though I have no real reason to believe their actions are any more lawful the bombing of Pearl Harbor was, pouring spare change (by their standard of wealth) in to overthrowing the Bills of Rights, and not just this high treason of gun control, but they oppose free speech, and all the other rights enumerated in the Supreme laws of the people.

                          What government? Whose government is it when traitors commit the highest treasons and then parade around like they and their stinking children were God's gift to humanity?

                          We must choose our battles and we must choose to first defend our rights otherwise you will have to conquer these people before you even begin to address whatever else may exist.

                          These stories below are some of the examples of why evil is taking place in America. It's because billionaires own and control all the broadcast media. Their phony news and the liars that work for them don't tell you anything and you know why? Because it's not in their interest to tell you anything, and beyond that they now control or have tendrils inside of private prisons where they have access to all the raw materials for making their own reality, access to proven criminals, hint..think.. by mind control, by using their control over the voice and information to tell lies which they legalized in to law in 2014, and on and on and on.

                          Why are any of us paying taxes when we have almost no public services being preformed by civil servants that answer to us? You think ICE should have their jails run by a private prison contractor? If you do you are insane.

                          These articles below show what America will be in 20 years without an armed population and without free speech and if we continue to allow the overthrow of our nation by these disgusting traitors who have more money than patriotism.

                          So ya know, first lets get with the right program and focus on the right enemies so that we don't end up like the poor SOB's living in China. It's no mystery why there's a riot going on in Hong Kong, and here I was just thinking how about a nice trip to the Gobi Desert when I came across these stories. BYW, George Soro's has been to China so many times for new organs that he is now half Chinese himself. If only they would keep him as one of their own. Now how many of the other monsters do you think vacation there too? I know it used to be in North Korea but Trump wrecked all that apparently.

                          https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-si...d_2958903.html

                          https://www.theepochtimes.com/forced...s_2816817.html

                          https://www.theepochtimes.com/tortur...e_2799710.html

                          https://www.theepochtimes.com/sexual...rticle-fbstyle
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                          • Here Ufopolitics is exactly the same thing as Ken Explains in his video. The only difference is that the source point is mechanically extended. The tetrahedron form is simply the geometry and the points are simply the locations of the dielectric inertia that forms expansion or regression. Think that's right. Not the best illustration but hopefully you see that I understand what you are saying, our problem is we have to use a physical object to coax the effect using sphere's and the tetrahedron shape along with HF energy circulation inside the sphere's to produce a coupling or torsion force, and which I surmise is coupling to the inertial plane. Note, So I do understand, OK? Yes it doesn't have to have the sphere's like the Barbury Castle Cropcircle design, but that is showing us a more basic practical design which we can use to help break the back of the power and control system.

                            I tossed this together without reviewing Ken's Video. So hopefully no major screw-ups.

                            The higher the frequency the greater the traction the faster the object moves.

                            I would imagine that any such vehicle without any evident propulsion system is using a skin which is doing this microscopically or at a sub microscopic atomic level. It ain't a mystery as far as I can see, it's just not yet within our manufacturing capability, but that is undoubtedly what is behind nanobots. Now just because I can't build it in my garage is not any different than the fact that I also can't built any thing more complex than the tools and knowledge at my disposal. I'm confident that Boeing labors under no such restrictions.



                            VIDEO 82 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. BISMUTH DIELECTRIC INERTIA DISCOVERY

                            [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvf8MeMwCag[/VIDEO]
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                            • If you give me Donald Rumsfeld in a room for 15 minutes and I'll come back with straight answers about the missing 5 or 6 trillion dollars; not that I even need to ask where it is because...because....stupid dogs..... smile....yes that's us alright.

                              UNKNOWN "Space Machines" HIDDEN In Earth's Atmosphere..
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogc6QWEGPtg


                              THOUSANDS Are Vanishing Off The Face Of The Earth
                              Observe that none of these people were armed or had an AR-15 strapped across their back whilst hiking the back country. Lot's of bow hunters F-ed up though. Gee....why would they want your guns? I wonder why huh? Wake the hell up is what I say; there's a lot more going on than their hired murders gunning us down in the Walmart Parking Lot. How's that old kids song go? If you're gonna go into the woods at night, you better not go alone; well no **** huh? Go armed too if you have any sense at all. The hell with them and their laws, this is your life they are putting at risk, it's up to you to protect it from idiots. Especially the one's posing as concerned elect doing Nada to help anyone other than themselves by flapping their jaws.
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg_oW1Gpy20
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                              • Originally posted by Gambeir View Post
                                Here's the thing about these last posts.

                                Right now our nation is under attack by a collation of evil people.
                                Your posts are so right on. The plan is to test humanity beyond normal
                                limits. Our race has always undergone these extremes you have shown
                                in the video's.

                                What mankind is? His abilities? Well mankind first will renew itself and
                                this can only occur because of the enormous power man possesses.

                                All power in heaven and in earth is available to them that have made
                                their abode in the word of God. People have a crazy idea that beings
                                for outer space have more power than men so they get scared.

                                This is why we have the need for leaders who were raised up to deliver
                                the people out of their confusion. This is the GREAT AWAKENING. Once
                                that occurs the new age will dawn. Children eaten, organs stolen, murder
                                and all of the terrible tragedies are part of the plan. These atrocities
                                have existed from the beginning.

                                Blood has always been the offering of choice to the gods. Sacrifices
                                will be made to derive power from spiritual forces and in exchange
                                men have traded their souls for knowledge when they had the ability
                                to acquire great knowledge without help.

                                Beings from the sky date back thousands of years in many cultures call
                                them UFO's if you must. Since the phrase
                                "PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR" pops up in the ancient text we
                                need to address the possibility that evil has been given the right
                                of passage and trust-passage.

                                Do aliens exist? Are their spiritual forces on earth today? Murder is a
                                spiritual force, is it not? Do Humane forces murder? Do human's
                                have the capability to murder? Of course but then they are not humane.

                                Are there unidentified flying objects going about in the heavens? Yes
                                both good and evil but they can not interfere without permission from
                                the SELF EXISTENT ONE. So remember that any tricks played on your
                                mind can not harm you. Why did I put it that way? Because people
                                see illusions and they are frightened by them as this is the goal. We
                                are babies just learning but don't cross the line.

                                So the next time you see a UFO remember it is only unidentified because
                                of your lack of understanding. We as a human race are at war with
                                illusion. Always have been.

                                Cloning of aliens and humans is old news and will continue in secret
                                by those willing to sacrifice blood to gain new dark knowledge, same
                                ole hat different day. This has always been the case.

                                This is only the dark side. What about presenting one's self as a living
                                sacrifice? Ever hear of the power and knowledge that is available to
                                such a man? No, probably not because people want to whisper
                                mysterious dark ideas due to their need for spiritual interaction.
                                Snap out of it.

                                The UFO's don't stand a chance once mankind wakes up to what he
                                has been given. I saw a UFO too, it was shiny and bright but I don't
                                know what it was for sure, it was unidentified. Do little green mongoloid
                                headed alien drive craft around picking up girls to impregnate? I doubt
                                it but maybe someone's illusion thinks so.

                                My message to those who are worried is "Be still" and know that you
                                are created higher than angels both good and evil. You have been
                                imparted the breath of the ALMIGHTY and nothing can take you out of
                                HIS hand.


                                [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgH2xVWNQjM[/VIDEO]
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