An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle

[Gambeir]

Although probably not really related to this thread I recently had my attention drawn to this patent. A low temp fusion reactor in a jar & transmutation of matter.

Metal Oxygen Fusion Reactor. An endothermic fusion reactor in a beaker.
Transmutation of matter.

Patent Images

[Gambeir]

(*Slightly modified this post correcting a few errors and for readability with a couple minor afterthoughts)

From way back in 2012., this video was filmed at Cork Ireland. These orange plasma balls appear out of nowhere. As far as this thread is concerned I became more interested in the ARV after having viewed this video: What could they be I asked myself.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOcu0VBStQU[/VIDEO]

When I first saw this video years ago I was thinking these where UFO's encased by ionized air turned to plasma. In nature a plasma ball like these would be a kind of bolide. The National UFO Reporting Center has had thousands of reports of these over the last few years. I myself have seen them from a distance routinely in the Seattle Metro Area. I saw one just a few night ago for example.

I subsequently have spent enough time looking into and researching various energy gathering devices to now have a better understanding of this topic and of how these plasmoids are most likely artificially created. They are very distinctive being bright yellowish orange. They move at a constant speed most often and typically do not change altitude.

I hate to wreck this UFO idea, but I conclude these aren't UFO's as we would like to imagine them being. Nor were the Phoenix Lights flares or UFO's either. Again these are becoming increasingly spotted/routinely spotted really. Just a couple nights ago there was a massive sighting of lights in the sky across several states. I think I can explain those as belonging in this same post.

At this point I also want to draw your attention to the Orbs which have also been filmed in and around forest fires or areas which have experienced forest fires. As well as video showing orbs which have formed crop circles, and again those supposedly faked video's showing orbs on 9/11.

What began as Weather Control/Modification has morphed over to an instrument of terror. Sorry there's no other way to say this, but these are plasmoids and they are guided plasmoids. It's why we aren't really ...not really....making human guided jet fighters...that's all a bunch of baloney. These plasmoids can destroy any missile or aircraft from anywhere at any speed. Most likely these plasmoids are capable of being produced and then guided from satellites. I believe these are controlled by microwaves and that it's likely there is a connection between this technology and cell phone technology and cell towers. There is certainly a connection between beamed microwave energy and particulate aerosols (chemtrails).

In my own personal observations of these plasmoids they are usually flying directly over the metropolitan area's stretching from Tacoma Washington to Seattle, and they never seem to vary in height. They maintain a constant speed which gives them the appearance of a traveling Satellite, but obviously not a Satellite. They are almost never filmed at low altitude so that makes this video unique. Most plasmoids are seen at several tens of thousands of feet. Around here I'd guess the ones I most often see are traveling between 30 to 70 thousand feet in altitude but it's extremely hard to judge altitude by sight without a reference to scale from because we have no idea what the diameter may be, so really you're nearly guessing and of course radar won't help because radar can't detect plasma. Again they are very distinctive orange colored and once you see a few they are easily identified next time. Field glasses prove these are neither aircraft nor satellites. They are plasma balls, or bolides.

Beware the shills> Shills say these are Satellites, and that I'm stupid because the only thing I'm seeing is called a Satellite Flare. OK, well I'm into my 60's and watched the first Satellites launched on B&W TV, and have watched Satellites all my life orbit in the night sky, but this is a new one on me. Satellite Flare is a recently invented term; OK, Kids? There's no such thing as Satellite Flare, not at least while crossing the entire sky, and frankly I've never seen a satellite flare so I'm not sure that's even a reality. This is a plausible denial cover story, and why is that? Because these balls of mini-sun are being created and guided by Satellites is why and they sure as hell don't want that idea going round for obvious reasons, but that's what they are and that's how they are being controlled. These came about through research into weather warfare. The military has realized that these controllable balls of inferno have re-written the rules of war. There's no way any missiles can reach the US unless they let them do it.

Lasers are so last century, like email is to a kid today who's probably using snapchat or some other devious tool.

Plasmoids can be created by equipment on the ground, air, or in space or at sea. Once created they can then be controlled or guided by remote satellites. Unknown how fast these can travel but likely several thousands of miles per hour if not more. There would be neither radar track nor any sonic boom with plasmoids moving at supersonic speed because these qualities are hallmarks of plasma, but they can produce booming shock waves like lightning does.

Mysterious Booming? Ah....what happens when a plasmoid ends it's life cycle. Well it can blow up, but most often don't, and just fizzle out, but they can hit things which can induce them to explode like a thunder clap or sonic boom. Say for example maybe hitting another cloud with enough charge in it that there's like a massive shorting, which is what lightning does when it hits another bolt is it booms. So sometimes they also run into each other and that could also cause sparks.

So what we are seeing in the video and in the night sky is neither flares, nor UFO's, but rather new weaponry of the this century. Why they are showing this off however is a bit mysterious. However these forest fires are deeply suspicious, and the really scary as hell part: Fort McMurry was a Canadian Town wiped off the face of the earth and no media was allowed inside it in the wake of it's destruction. Anyone entering had to sign a government non-disclosure agreement, but even those who did do that from the media were subsequently refused entry to the destroyed city. Just do a search on the McMurry fire to see for yourselves if you like, but that's the kind of thing that keeps me awake at night.


Oh but they wouldn't ...right...right...keep wishing: Possibly praying because there is, rather unfortunately, more...yes..act now and receive two for one. Remember the "invisible" orbs filmed by the police helicopter in the UK, or how about the one chased and filmed on FLIR in Puerto Rico? So ya know what, they aren't all visible are they? Sort of like not all the rays from the Sun are all visible either. Most of us are unaware that our out of control military industrial complex has devised a new weapon of mass destruction, but the real question is what are they doing with it given what they have already done with it? That should concern basically every living human being on planet earth quite frankly.

So now you know why President Trump has no fear about sending the American Fleet to the doorsteps of North Korea. Don't let the fear porn of Nuclear War bother you, you've got more and worse things to worry about now, like can it get any worse huh? Well probably and so my mind goes back to that day in September and then to this post. Energy weapons, well yea, mysterious balls zipping round about's, well there ya go, and how about Steel I beams turned to dust? So is the mystery now explained I ask?

[spacecase0]

what you tell of seems like the weapon that telsa talked of.
my guess is that they figured it out better than tesla had first built it
who controls it might be the larger issue now

[Gambeir]

what you tell of seems like the weapon that telsa talked of.
my guess is that they figured it out better than tesla had first built it
who controls it might be the larger issue now

I don't know why it took me this long to put the puzzle together except that reading even a little bit helps a lot.
All this information is dated and has been around for a long time. However it's obvious that they don't want you
accessing this information. For example all the Ivy league research is difficult to access. Most links are broken or
scrubbed to 404, and one is left to root out the papers.

Ultimately this sort of research from Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford and others demonstrate their complicity in this plot, and it is a plot, make no mistake
about that, and like all accessories to evil their works are coveted away from prying eyes disguised behind seemingly innocuous titles, non accessible academic storage servers, and so on. Despite all this the video at the end tells the total story simply so that anyone can understand the concept. For most people this is all that matters. All else simply constitutes the evidence proving the design.

https://sincedutch.wordpress.com/201...r-here-you-go/

https://sincedutch.wordpress.com/201...a-frequencies/

Directed Energy (*Mostly about lasers and non-lethal DE area denial systems)
https://sincedutch.files.wordpress.c...1250074754.pdf

Plasma
https://sincedutch.wordpress.com/201...dar-frequency/

Artificial heating EISCAT
https://sincedutch.files.wordpress.c...lson00_grl.pdf

https://sincedutch.files.wordpress.c...72-radar-a.jpg

Could negative ion production explain the polar mesosphere winter
echo (PMWE) modulation in active HF heating experiments?
http://eprints.lancs.ac.uk/35429/1/art_938.pdf

Parametric instabilities in ionospheric heating experiments
RADAR creating “high frequency plasma lines” HFPL’s… heating the atmosphere and ionosphere .. creating plasma.. up to 5,000K (temperature)
https://sincedutch.files.wordpress.c...ric-review.pdf

High frequency HEATING pulses from ground based RADAR … creates electron buildup and irregularities
A TIME CONSTANT OF RESPONSE OF PMSE TO IONOSPHERIC HEATING
https://sincedutch.files.wordpress.c...2/12/p1060.pdf


HAARP type facilities to make lightning!
https://sincedutch.files.wordpress.c...2/a2695441.pdf
Extract:
"Reflection of radio waves from turbulent plasma layers was investigated with potential applications to radio communications and space surveillance. In addition to theoretical analyses of the problem [Dalkir and Lee, 1993], simulation experiments with lightninginduced plasmas were conducted on campus with the MIT S-band, C-band, and the Millstone UHF radars (see Figure 1) (Dallir et al., 1993]."

https://sincedutch.files.wordpress.c...gettrdoc11.pdf

This is probably one of the better demo's of home demo experiments showing how to create a plasma in a pyrex jar using a carbon smoke cloud
produced from a cigarette.
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNMjCggFKzM[/VIDEO]

So what we are left with, ultimately, are questions about the nature of the supposed weapons intent, because there is obviously a direct connection to the spraying of carbon waste byproducts in the atmosphere, and so the smoking gun for artificially creating planetary warming is manifest, and could this then be a planned means to combat an expected on coming ice age, or is it the idea to cleanse the earth of useless eaters first, to convince them of a false story which is exactly the opposite of the truth in order that they would buy in to this false narrative and elect to tax themselves as a means to combat the supposed global warming, but of course it's all of the above an more.

This information, as it relates to this thread, deals with identification: To know and to understand what you're seeing. Now somewhere's about there's more information on sustained plasmoids in the free atmosphere so we can be relatively positive that the video form Cork Ireland is a real demonstration of this technology in free space by some persons unknown back in 2012.

As a final afterthought, if these plasmoids filmed over Cork Ireland were not man made creations than the implications would be even more dire. So I guess on the plus side we can believe that these plasmoids are man made and not a product of nature. The evidence says they are man made. Frankly that's better than having nature randomly and spontaneously creating these. On the negative side, while my nature is to imagine the powers that be might be thinking about using these in a War of the Worlds project blue beam false flag, the truth might be far closer to home than anyone cares to imagine right now. Here my thoughts go to the Pokemon smart phone project and those rare recorded cases of spontaneous self combustion.

[Ufopolitics]

Finally...Pentagon releases their 'Black Ops' UFO Program...

Hello to All,

Breaking News... finally the US Pentagon "decides" to release their UFO X Files Program, which they say was closed on 2012...

And with it a NAVY Pilot Video tracking a UFO right in front of his Fighter Jet:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqNNXpgB2bw[/VIDEO]

Former Pentagon Military Official of the UFO Program, Luis Elizondo speaks to Erin Burnett at CNN News last night:

HUFFINGTON POST: "We may NOT be alone"

NEW YORK TIMES: Glowing Auras and 'Black Money': The Pentagon Mysterious U.F.O. Program

Hope they will release soon the FULL VIDEO about this sighting...where the UFO just "vanishes" right in front of the Navy Pilot...
When the UFO concludes its "rotation", which is actually engaging a Space Positioning to take off at acceleration speeds that no human would be able to stand...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Detailed Video about On Screen Readings...

Below is a video where it describes -in detail- all screen info about US Navy, UFO released video, taken from a F/A 18 Hornet:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1uLwUTDA0&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

The Main Video, that was released only 34 seconds of it, is called "Gimbal"...

FORTUNE Magazine Post

Exclusive analysis brought to you by To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science. Gimbal is the first of three US military videos of unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) that has been through the official declassification review process of the United States government and has been approved for public release. This footage, and all official USG footage you will see on TTS Academy’s community of interest (COI), comes with essential chain-of-custody documentation validating that it is received in its original and unaltered form and is authentic. The US Department of Defense uses this process in order to meticulously ensure that information and material retain their integrity without revealing sources and methods. This documentation is what sets this footage apart from anything else that has made its way to the public domain, by establishing its authenticity and thereby giving it enormous historical significance.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

The Second released Video: FLIR1...

Hello again,

Here is the Second released footage, captured by same type of Fighter Jet, a Hornet F/A-18 as same tracking and Locking Equipment: A Raytheon ATFLIR System (Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infra Red).

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rWOtrke0HY[/VIDEO]

The such "sophisticated" targeting-locking device is Obviously having a very hard time...trying to keep up with the maneuvering of the UFO Craft, as Pilot keeps increasing the Zoom as "target" is getting further and further away...

Note at the end of video...how the UFO decides not to be seen anymore...vanishing at unmeasurable speeds to left of screen...

Amazing Videos!!

Now tell me...aren't they real NOW?

This facts has been known since our Ancient Times...they have been around.


Regards



Ufopolitics

[Gambeir]

Thanks Ufopolitics.
The black triangle I saw this last summer hovering over the house also moved away at fantastically fast speed. If you blinked you would have thought it vanished. Logic seems to say that a gravitational field must be present if there are living beings on these machines.

I ran across this paper from 2002.
Gravitomagnetic Field of a Rotating Superconductor and of a Rotating Superfluid https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0203033v1

Abstract;
"The quantization of the extended canonical momentum in quantum materials including the effects of gravitational drag is applied successively to the case of a multiply connected rotating superconductor and superfluid. Experiments carried out on rotating superconductors, based on the quantization of the magnetic flux in rotating superconductors, lead to a disagreement with the theoretical predictions derived from the quantization of a canonical momentum without any gravitomagnetic term."

"To what extent can these discrepancies be attributed to the additional gravitomagnetic term of the extended canonical momentum? This is an open and important question. For the case of multiply connected rotating neutral superfluids, gravitational drag effects derived from rotating superconductor data appear to be hidden in the noise of present experiments according to a first rough analysis."

*Note about the above abstract.
Canonical momentum is simply "the quantity that is conserved" in electromagnetic interactions, while the kinetic momentum is just the product of mass and velocity.

The above paper concludes with these remarks; " Present uncertainties in experiments with rotating superconductors and superfluids leave a very high upper boundary of possibly involved gravitomagnetic fields."

Why the above paper is important is that the previous predictions calculated from Einstein's theory do not explain the subsequent results: That there is an unexplained effect generated by spinning/rotating superfluids that might make an artificial gravity generator resulting from frame-dragging; as I understand it this is the implication.

Homopolar artificial gravity generator based on frame-dragging | Request PDF. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...frame-dragging [accessed Dec 19 2017].

[Gambeir]

Hello again,

Here is the Second released footage, captured by same type of Fighter Jet, a Hornet F/A-18 as same tracking and Locking Equipment: A Raytheon ATFLIR System (Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infra Red).

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rWOtrke0HY[/VIDEO]

The such "sophisticated" targeting-locking device is Obviously having a very hard time...trying to keep up with the maneuvering of the UFO Craft, as Pilot keeps increasing the Zoom as "target" is getting further and further away...

Note at the end of video...how the UFO decides not to be seen anymore...vanishing at unmeasurable speeds to left of screen...

Amazing Videos!!

Now tell me...aren't they real NOW?

This facts has been known since our Ancient Times...they have been around.


Regards



Ufopolitics

Hmm... well it turn out this story came out of the New York Times. In other words beware this sudden manifestation.
https://www.sott.net/article/371705-...New-York-Times

I'm sure the video is real, the issue is the timing and objective. There's probably lots more and better quality. They just aren't showing us this.

People are questioning the timing as it seems like the idea is to distract from other issues. 40% of homeless living in travel trailers and RV's in CA because they can't afford housing. Pedogate and child/body traffic. Just the other day a plane full of kids was intercepted destined for Peru.

Keep the pressure on. Maybe we will see more and better revelations. There is a hidden civilization in the Antarctic. In the 1960's an expedition team stumbled on some large metal vases filled with records. That story is almost unknown to most people, and so they have been working on something there for a half century. I can't find the link to this story, but it's a fact which made the news wires back in the day. Now it's like finding a needle in a haystack but the newspapers carried the story. This was like in 1964 or thereabout, and it seems like this was a New Zealand team. Anyone know please post.

Weather Warfare Bases in Antarctic
Antarctic Unknown Base
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird...be-from-aliens

[Ufopolitics]

Old data...now "new stuff"...trending news...

Hmm... well it turn out this story came out of the New York Times. In other words beware this sudden manifestation.
https://www.sott.net/article/371705-...New-York-Times

I'm sure the video is real, the issue is the timing and objective. There's probably lots more and better quality. They just aren't showing us this.

People are questioning the timing as it seems like the idea is to distract from other issues. 40% of homeless living in travel trailers and RV's in CA because they can't afford housing. Pedogate and child/body traffic. Just the other day a plane full of kids was intercepted destined for Peru.

Look Gambeir, this is NOT NEW...This facts have been going on for the past 60 years my friend...

Only thing "new" here, is the fact that NOW is when the DoD (Pentagon) decides to release this documents.

FBI Vaults released it a few years back.

Europe, basically the UK, released their 'UFO X Files' back in 2011.

FOR EXAMPLE: That FLIR1 Second Video that I have shown above, which is now been released by DoD as "New Disclosed Confidential Evidence"...you could go to that SAME EXACT VIDEO below, EXCEPT that it LEAKED back in October 17 of this year (2017)

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Kme7682fM[/VIDEO]

Only difference...it was not "An Officially Recognized Video Footage"

Keep the pressure on. Maybe we will see more and better revelations.

The "pressure" has been VERY ON for the past 5-6 years ago...The Disclosure Project have been on since like 2003-2005, showing very High Rank Military Reports by several witnesses, who are all willing to go in front of Congress under oath to testify...

My guess is they (Pentagon, DoD) have no other recourse but to disclose after all pressure above and then some more, as Political Claims and Revenues Justifications (22 Millions...)...as Luis Elizondo became the New and Final whistle blower on this issue, as he was in charge of main operations:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqwsaypXh6w[/VIDEO]

Below an interview to Ralph Blumenthal on MSNBC on Dec 17, 2017:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Dp1FzKods[/VIDEO]

What appears on Main Reports as people are NOT talking about it...are the Millions THEY've spent in Ridiculizing propaganda to diminish, DIVERGE and undermine REAL EVIDENCE ALL OVER THE WORLD for past 60 years plus

BOTTOMLINE: Besides all BS about National Security justification to make this programs, the MAIN AND ONLY QUESTION/REASON IS THEN ANSWERED:

A UFO = FREE ENERGY= MOTION PERPETUAL MACHINES = OUR SCIENCE TABOO

Which are all enemies of our main Energy system=OIL

Or can you just think that IF they (Extra-Terrestrials) wished to END ALL LIFE ON EARTH, they would NOT have done it several hundred of years back?


This is not about ARV'S, they are the real deal, not a bad, "human copy"...We do not even have the minimal requirement of MIND CONTROL to even move "a millimeter" any of those ships.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Gambeir]

Ufopolitics, You've taken what I said wrongly: I'm with you in spirit. Just remember I'm a gumshoe first. I'm gonna be critical for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is my own personal experiences with officials and official rulers. The release of the video is significant only because these are supposedly video's taken from an US Navy F-18 and for no other reason in my opinion.

What the Hud (heads up display) is focused on looks to me like blobs. We have no possible way of validating the sound track. Could all be faked. Image quality does nothing to support the idea that this is what's recorded inside the cockpit of a 33 million dollar Naval Fighter. The fact that this video was a result of the New York Times is itself suspicious and does nothing to support it. This is not a source I think is trustworthy. I do not think we are seeing an alien vehicle. I think this is yet another poorly executed disinformation release. I think it's intended to support the idea that an alien invasion is possible.

Podesta Email
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1802


2014 Aguadilla Coast Guard UFO Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJpyJ_G9WVA
This UFO footage was taken in Puerto Rico by the Coast Guard. It depicts a small orb flying at fast speeds around the airport. It then dives into the sea only to resurface with a second UFO. Captured on IR camera, the black color of the object shows incredible heat coming from it. To the Coast Guards observations, the orb appeared to have a strange red light on it.
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJpyJ_G9WVA[/VIDEO]


I have not seen a single trace of evidence from any official source anywhere that speaks to me of Alien Visitations, but there are thousands of private reports which would seem to prove there are aliens visiting us. It would seem foolish to assume otherwise based on the shear numbers. Yet that is no proof either.

I have personally seen two types of antigravity vehicles, flight of saucers and triangular ship and I've written about both incidents in this thread, but nothing in these sightings speaks to me of anything other than that these are human creations. These were not alien space ships of any kind in my opinion.

Now of course there has to be life in the cosmos. However I do not think that the ruling system of this planet is likely to greet any whom wander here. Everything I know says that there has been a long war waged to capture any alien technology which may wander it's way here.

After the Second Global War there was this supposed space race, and with it there were these ships, so called tracking ships. Once the oceans were filled with giant tracking ships. Ostensibly these ships were used to track satellites and astronauts of the space race programs of both the United States and of the Soviet Socialist Republics. The question is; was that all they were doing? These ships, along with other massive radar arrays were constructed under the guise of a space race, but was that what they were really intended for?

Kosmonavt Yuri Gagarin Tracking Ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmonavt_Yuri_Gagarin


According to the book "Crash at Corona" by Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner, the UFO's which crashed at Roswell and the plains of St Augustin were brought down by focused radar beams (Microwaves).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plains_of_San_Agustin

It's not hard to imagine these ships and their huge radar arrays were being used for any number of possible other uses. Not only tracking objects but creating them as well and possibly assisting in shooting down others with a focused beam. There is a narrative of lights in the sky that really begins during the Second World War. The Battle of Los Angeles for example, and yet when you think about the epoch, the entire area was a hub of military manufacturing, and in retrospect the suppose invader who couldn't be shot down, drifting around aimlessly, does look all the world like a giant plasma blob.

How accidental is this? The 2011 Movie. Battle of Los Angeles (Video 2011) - IMDb
"In January 1942 US forces engaged an unidentified flying object above Los Angeles. Now almost 70 years later, the alien invaders have returned."

During the last Global War bomber crews routinely reported so called Foo Fighter. These glowing orbs were fired upon by gun crews with no apparent affect. I conclude these Foo Fighers were, in fact, actually plasma bolides.

Early attempts to combat radar used chaff, strips of aluminum foil, but ack ack, flak from anti-aircraft cannon, also filled the sky with carbon dust particulates, as well as other products. These are the materials needed to create a plasma blob in free space. The Germans, though supposedly late in developing radar, seem to have grasped it's potential as a weapon right along side the Americans and evidently the Japanese too judging by some photographs which seem to show plasma orbs around Japanese warplanes. Many reports of Foo Fighters originated from the European Front, but they were seen on all fronts by both sides.

The image of the weapon below was never fielded, but it is highly inventive and the primary idea of placing it here is to suggest that real purpose of this wasn't to actually create a helicopter bomb, so much as means to place a huge cloud of carbon/aluminum dust particles in the atmosphere whereby a focused radar array could ignite it and grow it into a giant plasma ball. Naturally none of the anti-aircraft crews would have been made privy to any details like that, and maybe this research project made it's way somewhere's else after the war.


According to the information provided by Unicraft:
"This project was studied along with the FW "Triebflugel" design and utilized the same lift conception. The Flakmine V-7, called "Feuerball", was formed of the central body storing fuel, explosive (between 250 and 500kg) and vapourization system. A free spinning rotor with four Pulse jets was mounted around this body.

The ignition and initial rotation was performed on the launch platform. After reaching the circular speed of 200m/sec the blades were tilted to a +3° angle and the machine took off into the air. When reaching the formation of the Allied bombers the Flakmine would have been detonated by means of infrared, radar or acoustic fuse."
V-7 Feuerball


It is my opinion that there is a publicly acknowledged military system, another un-acknowledged, and a secret private one which over see's the other two systems, and that one controls the level of access to technology of the other two. Certainly it controls the understanding of technology, just refer back to the Flakmine and its' supposed detonation via radar, so while the gun crews assume it's a fireball caused by explosives in a can, it may well have been that the detonation by radar was in fact intended to create a giant fireball of plasma using such otherwise innocuous and non-war vital explosives as coal dust. Who would have been the wiser? Not the Flakmine gun crews, not the radar operators whom would have been provided a plausible explanation for the necessary power, and so it would seem to appear to all involved that the helicopter bomb was a conventional weapon.

Carol Rosin was the first person to speak publicly about Wenher von Braun's death bed confession of a planned hoaxed alien invasion. It's all on record, more recently done again by Dr. Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project, and so we have known that there has been a plan for a faked alien invasion for a very long time.

We also have the case of Gary McKinnon which seems to strongly support the idea of a secret civilization, and given the near pathological obsession that the Department of Justice took in this matter, it's a virtual smoking gun that there is another space based civilization which we are all being denied.
https://www.wired.com/2006/06/ufo-ha...what-he-found/

In conclusion:
The US and the entire rest of the worlds elites are involved in defrauding the people of the earth. Their idea is to create a slave world using guile, which is how they have ruled since forever, mainly using actors and theatrics. The military doesn't call it a theater for nothing. We have now had over 20 years of chemtrails being sprayed globally in the atmosphere by fleets of airtankers being robotically controlled, the whole enabling reason for the move to fly by wire flight controls BTW was for this purpose. Given what I've outlined can there be any possible doubt that the whole idea is to enable the use of plasma's in a faked alien invasion? I think not, I think this whole thing is closer than I'd like to think, and I also think they are all just insane enough to try to make the story fly and that's what the video is actually all about supporting: That we have alien visitors, that they are dangerous, that they have superior weapons. I mean just look at the predictive programming that Hollywood has turned out about wars with aliens.

Are there aliens? Hell, I don't know, but this video from this Navy F-18 isn't proof in my opinion. It looks to me like a plasma. Probably a projected artifact designed to engage the unawares jet aircrews for this specific purpose of later using the video. If so, it's a fail in my opinion.

[Ufopolitics]

David Fravor, retired Navy Pilot UFO encounter in 2004

Hello,

Here is last night's CNN interview with David Fravor, a retired Navy Pilot who is part of this "Pentagon Disclosure"...Incident of close encounter with the so called "Tic-Tac Shaped UFO":

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-t4SGtb6NA[/VIDEO]

What I have noticed here, is that normally ANY PRIOR whistle blower were kept "undercover" by shadowing their faces and altering their voices tone...now they are here, open, in front of an HD Camera...with no interference.

So, it seems that now they all have "Permission Credentials" from "above levels" to go ahead and do it (disclose) in the open...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

No ET's UFO's...then NO ARV's

Hello Gambeir,

Sorry but I have to disagree with you about ARV's versus the REAL UFO DEAL...

First, take a brief look around at our "technological advancement" to the stars...

"The first man in the Moon", back in the sixties...barely making it with a farting machine with huge tanks of flammable fuels... it is a joke, really!!

Sending little R/C Toys -also on board of farting rockets- to roll over Mars surface to observe and collect data...and so on and on...

And so, here you are saying that -all the sudden- a "bunch" of super intelligent people, super "rocket" scientists...decided to gather together to design and build Antigravity Devices which uses no fuels, requires absolutely no aerodynamics at all (like wings, aileron's, turbines, propellers, rotors, etc,etc,) and looks like it is "out of this world"...basically out of nowhere, copying exactly from nothing existent at all??

So, all this "Secret Scientists Group" have discovered, just like that, all of the sudden...Anti-Gravity, Free Energy and Motion Perpetual Machines...out of nowhere...

Sorry but just the idea is laughable at, absurd.

BUT, NOW, IF, You are saying that they are COPYING EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TECHNOLOGIES, ARV's as (ALIEN REPRODUCTION VEHICLES), I AM Definitively with you there 100%...BUT then...You must admit ET's and their UFO's are for real.


What am saying is that WITHOUT THE ET'S TECH, Absolutely "nada" would have taken place.

What Carol Rosin have disclosed was that the Project "Star War$" was made just to PREVENT from REAL ET UFO's to get into our atmosphere...obviously, after all the Billions spent...it don't work...

However, I do agree with you, that trying to "make up" a possible Alien Invasion is just a "PUBLIC EXCUSE" to fund all the Billions required to launch future projects...which I do not doubt at all, would be within their Agenda.

And so I will repeat -again- what I wrote before...ET's and UFO's do NOT POSE ANY Menace, ANY THREAT to our Planet, their "visits" here are just to avoid our race disappearance by our own Concepts & Methods of development.


Regards


Ufopolitics

PD: If my comments are disturbing your line of Thread, I will delete them all -at your request- and end of the story...deal?

[spacecase0]

when I look at the ARV,
it seems to me to be the logical extension of what work tesla, t.t. brown and others were doing long ago (we even got leaked information of how they work, frequencies, and layout. posted at a link earlier in the thread)
I don't think it is an alien copy at all
when I first was shown it, they called it "fluxliner" and names are very telling. I did not see ARV until later.

I am convinced that most alien abduction experiences are not aliens at all, they are old fashioned daemons that are appealing to a modern people that don't believe in them anymore. and this is why there is no physical evidence left by the encounter, why the encounters are seemingly designed for the maximum fear experience, and also why people that ask for god or some other helpful entity to help them have the abduction vanish in front of them.
so clearly you can't copy space travel from this group as they likely know nothing

[Gambeir]

Hello Gambeir,

Sorry but I have to disagree with you about ARV's versus the REAL UFO DEAL...

First, take a brief look around at our "technological advancement" to the stars...

"The first man in the Moon", back in the sixties...barely making it with a farting machine with huge tanks of flammable fuels... it is a joke, really!!

Sending little R/C Toys -also on board of farting rockets- to roll over Mars surface to observe and collect data...and so on and on...

And so, here you are saying that -all the sudden- a "bunch" of super intelligent people, super "rocket" scientists...decided to gather together to design and build Antigravity Devices which uses no fuels, requires absolutely no aerodynamics at all (like wings, aileron's, turbines, propellers, rotors, etc,etc,) and looks like it is "out of this world"...basically out of nowhere, copying exactly from nothing existent at all?

So, all this "Secret Scientists Group" have discovered, just like that, all of the sudden...Anti-Gravity, Free Energy and Motion Perpetual Machines...out of nowhere...

Sorry but just the idea is laughable at, absurd.

BUT, NOW, IF, You are saying that they are COPYING EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TECHNOLOGIES, ARV's as (ALIEN REPRODUCTION VEHICLES), I AM Definitively with you there 100%...BUT then...You must admit ET's and their UFO's are for real.


What am saying is that WITHOUT THE ET'S TECH, Absolutely "nada" would have taken place.

What Carol Rosin have disclosed was that the Project "Star War$" was made just to PREVENT from REAL ET UFO's to get into our atmosphere...obviously, after all the Billions spent...it don't work...

However, I do agree with you, that trying to "make up" a possible Alien Invasion is just a "PUBLIC EXCUSE" to fund all the Billions required to launch future projects...which I do not doubt at all, would be within their Agenda.

And so I will repeat -again- what I wrote before...ET's and UFO's do NOT POSE ANY Menace, ANY THREAT to our Planet, their "visits" here are just to avoid our race disappearance by our own Concepts & Methods of development.


Regards


Ufopolitics

PD: If my comments are disturbing your line of Thread, I will delete them all -at your request- and end of the story...deal?

I'd rather you did not delete anything. I regret demanding someone else remove a post due to a personal misunderstanding of the intent and over-reacting. Please continue to say what you think and how you feel. I'm glad you're doing so.

I'd prefer that there isn't a consensus. We don't need group think any more than is absolutely necessary. I think the hard part is to present ideas without attaching ones' ego to them.

It has been the basis of this thread that the US Military does possess antigravity ships, and has had them since at least the mid 1950's. The whole idea behind this thread has been to try to get members thoughts about how they think this machine might work.

Where are the Aliens?

If anyone had asked me ten years ago if I thought there were aliens visiting earth, or that our technology may have originated from recovered alien machines, then I would have felt that that was likely. I don't feel that way today. I'd like to think that somehow and for some reason we people of this tiny planet are being visited by other civilizations.

Technologically to do this requires a machine which can travel way faster than light speed. It's going to have be a requirement to somehow void the distances of the galaxy. Mach 10 isn't enough. We are talking worm holes, transdimensional, or time warping, or all of the above.

The question really becomes one of what humans are capable of. Issac Newton is recorded to have lectured to the walls for lack of having worthy students capable of understanding him. Talking to the walls isn't always a sign of insanity. It can be one of extreme intellect. Maybe Issac today is under forced drug therapy for his own good for all we know, such is the corruption of the world we are presently living in. Aliens didn't give instructions to Michael Faraday or Issac Newton and humanity has have been on a pathway of exponential growth in knowledge ever since Michael arrived.

Do we really need to assign human achievement to aliens? Nevertheless, we are also smart enough to recognize what a windfall a recovered alien artifact would present. Naturally any government which found one would avail themselves of everything they could extract out of it. However, we humans could never replicate any alien technology if we didn't already have the intelligence to be able understand it enough so that we could have created it ourselves. Luckily history records that we aren't all imbeciles.

Of all the ways I and others have thought, and which may be involved in the workings of this illustration of the ARV, there isn't a single one which wasn't either known or theorized prior to the Second World War. We do not need to reach out to alien technology to explain advances in technology.

Again, I simply do not believe that the F-18 video is of an alien vehicle. That's not the same thing as saying there are no alien vehicles visiting earth, or that the US Military has real video's of them. It's just that the F-18 video isn't one of them. It's a plasma orb in my opinion, and it's a technology which is appears, once again, to date from the last Global War being dusted off for ulterior motives.

And so, here you are saying that -all the sudden- a "bunch" of super intelligent people, super "rocket" scientists...decided to gather together to design and build Antigravity Devices which uses no fuels, requires absolutely no aerodynamics at all (like wings, aileron's, turbines, propellers, rotors, etc,etc,) and looks like it is "out of this world"...basically out of nowhere, copying exactly from nothing existent at all?

There existed enough knowledge and enough theoretical ideas to pursue the idea of antigravity as a reality even as the storm clouds of the Second World War began. I've tried to show this throughout this thread. Keep in mind Ufopolitics that a Messerschmitt 262 jet fighter also looked out of this world to B-17 bomber crews. It still looks like a flying shark for that matter. World War II vets have remarked that the one thing which created dread was how alien and advanced looking many of the German weapons appeared to be, but creative design and thinking really only speaks about the education systems used to mold the minds of those generations in each nation.

I'm speculating that I think the Germans succeeded before anyone else did. It's a matter of record that American Aviation Corporations did pursue antigravity projects in the post war and that these projects went black, along with some of the corporations themselves. These brains didn't just decide to get together. I suppose in Germany it wasn't so much a choice as it was an order, whereas in America after the war it was simply a matter of buying the brains, recognizing of course that basically the US essentially abducted every brain it could lay it's mitts on from Germany and then pretending this was their choice, but for most others the course was to recruit and buy the brains. That's what Hiller Aviation did. It's what Boeing does today.