An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle

[Bugfly]

Hello Bugfly,

Could you please, show that article link at the end but not through google drive but direct all access to anyone?

am in a remote location and can't sign in to google drive at this time


Thanks


Regards


Ufopolitics

Of course...

Articles - https://yadi.sk/i/wFyc7fIcL2nEaA

Animation - https://yadi.sk/d/H-UqX9ehVP9dcg

Spiral Template - https://yadi.sk/i/Xc_PPxxQDHEwpQ

Just in case everything is taken from the site: https://archive.org/

These are three articles from the magazine "The Electrical experimenter" by F. F. Mace.

Article One:
"Magnetism Produces Remarkable Photographs" May, 1917
Page 14: https://archive.org/details/electric...18gern/page/14
Page 70: https://archive.org/details/electric...18gern/page/70
Page 71: Same link as above

Article Two:
"Are There Currents About A Magnet ?" October, 1917
Page 380: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/380
Page 381: Same link as above
Page 417: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/416
Page 418: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/418

Article Three:
"The Cause and Nature of Magnetic Currents"
Page 454: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/454
Page 455: Same link as above
Page 486: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/486
Page 487: Same link as above
Page 488: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/488
Page 489: Same link as above

And a small note on this topic.
"AN EXPERIMENT IN MR. MACE'S MAGNETIC CURRENTS." November, 1917
Page 769: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/768

Regards


Bugfly

[Gambeir]

So l want to get back to the Barbury Crop Circle and Chris Hardeman's experimental test rig; which is about geometry in a round about way, and I want to do that because it is related to the Alexey in my opinion. Now originally I posted about this on page 2. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...vehicle-2.html

There's a lot going on in this crop circle and it's probably no accident that every seeming lunatic has taken it an done things with it, such now that there are only a couple places where the original information is available, and as far as the Hardeman information that has almost completely been scrubbed. Where there's smoke there's fire folks. It is that simple. They don't want you examining this thing, thinking about it in any way, let alone fooling round with your own dangerous free thinking ideas by actually making some sort of replications.


This image was archive on Greatdreams.com at one time.

It was around 1991 or 1994, when Chris Hardeman watched a TV program on Crop Circles and became entranced with one design in particular. The Barbury Crop Circle. It would be another decade before he got round to building an experimental device to test his own ideas about what this crop circle was all about. So around 2001 or so Hardeman built this microwave powered contraption based off the Barbury Crop Circle.


The Gravity Shielding Experiment from Chris Hardeman
Source JNL Labs.

We are now 28 years later since the crop circle first appeared, and almost 18 years on since anyone did anything about it, which isn't too surprising actually. For one thing the moment Hardeman put his work out on the web official doom descended upon him.

"That Hardeman has found something of merit is evidenced by the way the U.S. military, Boeing, several oil companies, NASA, and the U.S. Treasury suddenly took an interest in his work shortly after it was published on the Internet - the computer storing the information was subsequently hacked, and Hardeman's emails intercepted.
The Secret Technology Behind Crop Circles | Humans Are Free
Thankfully Jean-Louis Naudin managed to collect what information still survives and has somehow managed to keep it intact over the last few decades. The Gravity Shielding Experiment from Chris Hardeman

There's a lot going on with the Barbury Crop Circle, and thanks to the Alexey we can begin to discern what is crap from what is real, and this device is probably a somewhat improved Alexey in some sense and something to consider for alternative experimenters to fool round with. I for one would probably have less problems trying to re-create this than the Alexey just because of the Tesla Coil, whereas with this thing I can buy a new microwave for not too much and be off to the races. So just saying right?

Contrary to other sources I found this statement regarding Hardeman's resuts;
"Within three seconds of switching on the power, the unit visibly levitated, an effect replicated in ten consecutive test runs. Clearly, a gravity shielding effect was taking place."
The Secret Technology Behind Crop Circles | Humans Are Free

Now there's at least three things going on with this crop circle which Hardeman didn't evidently see. One is a magnetic field represented evidently by the circles in the middle. So there might be more than one. The second is that there are, evidently, encoded musical notes or frequencies, found in crop circles. http://www.greatdreams.com/numbers/music/joemusic.htm

The third is combined understanding of how this radar microwave technology is linked to antenna to generate asymmetrical emission of electromagnetic waves, which is applied in a more advanced way with Black Triangles I believe. This understanding is brought about by the work of Phillip Callahan actually, where in antenna can produce an symmetrical electromagnetic field. Note the triangle shape in both the Black Triangles and in Barbury Crop Circle image. They aren't related to each other in the exact same way so don't get confused but try to see there is a connection to what is possible: The Barbury Crop Circle is showing us Radar Wave Guide Tube going from the Cyclotron to three supporting balls, this is all related to creating a stable platform, as is the shape of the Black Triangle, but in Black Triangles this has another alternative effect which isn't immediately apparent, so those are doing a lot more with this shape and the nano-scale system it's using to propel itself along.

Now a word about counter space;

The McKenna brothers might fit in to our understanding because it was by way of Dennis McKenna, together with his philosopher brother Terence, whom presented our Universe as a hologram, a creation of two intersecting hyper-Universes. The McKennas propose that our holographic Universe consists of 64 (8x8) frequencies, of which ours is but one.
The Secret Technology Behind Crop Circles | Humans Are Free

Now why this matters becomes more interesting due to Tom Bearden.
Here in his section on Royal Raymmond Rife Tom Bearden's illustrations begin to give us a broader understanding in real world terms.
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/rifemicroscope.htm

Here's an example of just one of many of the illustrations. Look through the illustrations. This is easy to do by opening the link or image in a new window then changing the image number in the address bar, this one for example is image 4, so just change it the next number 5 and hit enter and the next image will open. An easier way to see images by number. Change for example rife4.jpg to rife5. and so on.

[Bugfly]

So l want to get back to the Barbury Crop Circle and Chris Hardeman's experimental test rig; which is about geometry in a round about way, and I want to do that because it is related to the Alexey in my opinion. Now originally I posted about this on page 2. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...vehicle-2.html

There's a lot going on in this crop circle and it's probably no accident that every seeming lunatic has taken it an done things with it, such now that there are only a couple places where the original information is available, and as far as the Hardeman information that has almost completely been scrubbed. Where there's smoke there's fire folks. It is that simple. They don't want you examining this thing, thinking about it in any way, let alone fooling round with your own dangerous free thinking ideas by actually making some sort of replications.


This image was archive on Greatdreams.com at one time.

It was around 1991 or 1994, when Chris Hardeman watched a TV program on Crop Circles and became entranced with one design in particular. The Barbury Crop Circle. It would be another decade before he got round to building an experimental device to test his own ideas about what this crop circle was all about. So around 2001 or so Hardeman built this microwave powered contraption based off the Barbury Crop Circle.


The Gravity Shielding Experiment from Chris Hardeman
Source JNL Labs.

We are now 28 years later since the crop circle first appeared, and almost 18 years on since anyone did anything about it, which isn't too surprising actually. For one thing the moment Hardeman put his work out on the web official doom descended upon him.

"That Hardeman has found something of merit is evidenced by the way the U.S. military, Boeing, several oil companies, NASA, and the U.S. Treasury suddenly took an interest in his work shortly after it was published on the Internet - the computer storing the information was subsequently hacked, and Hardeman's emails intercepted.
The Secret Technology Behind Crop Circles | Humans Are Free
Thankfully Jean-Louis Naudin managed to collect what information still survives and has somehow managed to keep it intact over the last few decades. The Gravity Shielding Experiment from Chris Hardeman

There's a lot going on with the Barbury Crop Circle, and thanks to the Alexey we can begin to discern what is crap from what is real, and this device is probably a somewhat improved Alexey in some sense and something to consider for alternative experimenters to fool round with. I for one would probably have less problems trying to re-create this than the Alexey just because of the Tesla Coil, whereas with this thing I can buy a new microwave for not too much and be off to the races. So just saying right?

Contrary to other sources I found this statement regarding Hardeman's resuts;
"Within three seconds of switching on the power, the unit visibly levitated, an effect replicated in ten consecutive test runs. Clearly, a gravity shielding effect was taking place."
The Secret Technology Behind Crop Circles | Humans Are Free

Now there's at least three things going on with this crop circle which Hardeman didn't evidently see. One is a magnetic field represented evidently by the circles in the middle. So there might be more than one. The second is that there are, evidently, encoded musical notes or frequencies, found in crop circles. http://www.greatdreams.com/numbers/music/joemusic.htm

The third is combined understanding of how this radar microwave technology is linked to antenna to generate asymmetrical emission of electromagnetic waves, which is applied in a more advanced way with Black Triangles I believe. This understanding is brought about by the work of Phillip Callahan actually, where in antenna can produce an symmetrical electromagnetic field. Note the triangle shape in both the Black Triangles and in Barbury Crop Circle image. They aren't related to each other in the exact same way so don't get confused but try to see there is a connection to what is possible: The Barbury Crop Circle is showing us Radar Wave Guide Tube going from the Cyclotron to three supporting balls, this is all related to creating a stable platform, as is the shape of the Black Triangle, but in Black Triangles this has another alternative effect which isn't immediately apparent, so those are doing a lot more with this shape and the nano-scale system it's using to propel itself along.

Now a word about counter space;

The McKenna brothers might fit in to our understanding because it was by way of Dennis McKenna, together with his philosopher brother Terence, whom presented our Universe as a hologram, a creation of two intersecting hyper-Universes. The McKennas propose that our holographic Universe consists of 64 (8x8) frequencies, of which ours is but one.
The Secret Technology Behind Crop Circles | Humans Are Free

Now why this matters becomes more interesting due to Tom Bearden.
Here in his section on Royal Raymmond Rife Tom Bearden's illustrations begin to give us a broader understanding in real world terms.
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/rifemicroscope.htm

Here's an example of just one of many of the illustrations. Look through the illustrations. This is easy to do by opening the link or image in a new window then changing the image number in the address bar, this one for example is image 4, so just change it the next number 5 and hit enter and the next image will open. An easier way to see images by number. Change for example rife4.jpg to rife5. and so on.

Gambeir, Watch this lecture:
https://youtu.be/nGQbA2jwkWI?t=2090
34:50 - 51:23
Don't really think about cleverness, just understand that here the readings of voltmeters in neighboring circuits depended on their location relative to the solenoid. This is interesting in itself is not it? But what if we do not have three major circuits and three compound circuits, like on a board in a video, but a pyramid. As in your case. We have one upper ball and three lower ones. They are connected by conductive 6 jumpers. Imagine how the currents will flow in them. If this thing will illuminated by a magneting fild from the solenoid, from two solenoids, from three solenoids, what will happen? Obviously it will be a geometrically dependent device. And here you need a bunch of tests and schemes. I do not think you need a microwave, it will be just enough to induce a current in the jumpers. And this is not such an easy task as it seems.

Regards


Bugfly

[spacecase0]

so,
I was wondering around on the web today trying to design something
and ran across something fascinating
it is the article on effective mass (I was looking at the electron )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect...ate_physics%29
these 2 bits are what got my attention

For electrons or electron holes in a solid, the effective mass is usually stated in units of the rest mass of an electron, me (9.11×10−31 kg). In these units it is usually in the range 0.01 to 10, but can also be lower or higher—for example, reaching 1,000 in exotic heavy fermion materials, or anywhere from zero to infinity (depending on definition) in graphene. As it simplifies the more general band theory, the electronic effective mass can be seen as an important basic parameter that influences measurable properties of a solid, including everything from the efficiency of a solar cell to the speed of an integrated circuit.

One remarkable property is that the effective mass can become negative, when the band curves downwards away from a maximum. As a result of the negative mass, the electrons respond to electric and magnetic forces by gaining velocity in the opposite direction compared to normal; even though these electrons have negative charge, they move in trajectories as if they had positive charge (and positive mass). This explains the existence of valence-band holes, the positive-charge, positive-mass quasiparticles that can be found in semiconductors.[1]

so what if the devices we are looking at change the effective mass at key points in movement in piezoelectric movement ?

[Ufopolitics]

Speaking of magnetic fields. It depends on how we measure it. If we say that the interaction goes between similar geometric constructions, then yes, there are poles. For example, the magnetic field in shape is toroidal. How do we understand this? We take iron filings and sprinkle them with a magnet.
And we get something like that:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Magnet0873.png
Magnetic lines pass through the magnet, exit from the one pole and go to the other pole.
What geometry is this?
This is a torus. But how we built it?
We built it by the interaction of iron filings, which are also magnets, which are also toroids, with a larger torus.
But what happens if non-toroidal forms interact with the toroidal field of the magnet?
The result will be completely different.
Check out these articles: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1e0...-D9av-ZqVO0gN_

Hello Bugfly and many thanks (spasiva) for sending all links!!

Absolutely right...Iron Filings gives Us a completely different Magnetic Spectrum as when we use different components to view the Magnetic Field.

The falsehood on iron filings simply relay to the material (ferromagnetic) and its property to magnetize under the Field when just sprinkled loosely on the solely mercy of the field strength (and NOT the Geometrical Shape)...then we have been under the lie that it is the "real field shape or geometry" when absolutely it IS NOT!!!

There are a few Threads on this Forum where we discuss the Magnetic Fields with the newer technologies available today, plus the solid base from Ken Wheeler Theory:

The Original Thread that Ken opened long ago:

UNCOVERING THE MISSING SECRETS OF MAGNETISM (ORIGINAL)

Below all my videos plus discussion about the Theory:

ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM

Below the Do It Yourself (DIY) B & W Magnetic Field "Scope" (CRT)

DIY MAGNETIC FIELD SCOPE

Below the Thread about the Ferrocell by its own Inventor, Member Dyetalon who is Timm Vanderelli.

ABOUT THE FERROCELL

You have quite a lot to read and watch Bugfly...

Of course...

Articles - https://yadi.sk/i/wFyc7fIcL2nEaA

Animation - https://yadi.sk/d/H-UqX9ehVP9dcg

Spiral Template - https://yadi.sk/i/Xc_PPxxQDHEwpQ

Just in case everything is taken from the site: https://archive.org/

These are three articles from the magazine "The Electrical experimenter" by F. F. Mace.

Article One:
"Magnetism Produces Remarkable Photographs" May, 1917
Page 14: https://archive.org/details/electric...18gern/page/14
Page 70: https://archive.org/details/electric...18gern/page/70
Page 71: Same link as above

Article Two:
"Are There Currents About A Magnet ?" October, 1917
Page 380: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/380
Page 381: Same link as above
Page 417: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/416
Page 418: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/418

Article Three:
"The Cause and Nature of Magnetic Currents"
Page 454: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/454
Page 455: Same link as above
Page 486: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/486
Page 487: Same link as above
Page 488: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/488
Page 489: Same link as above

And a small note on this topic.
"AN EXPERIMENT IN MR. MACE'S MAGNETIC CURRENTS." November, 1917
Page 769: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/768

Regards


Bugfly

Thanks, I already downloaded Them ALL...very impressive!!...basically when all was written back in 1917 plus right on USA...

I have to make a clean pdf out of this work...with all the images so anyone could read it easier without all the disturbing propaganda, cutting off article which is annoying!!

I love his expression : "THE ABSURDITIES SHOWN BY ACTUAL SCIENCES ON MAGNETISM..."

It is very UNBELIEVABLE that up to now, in 2018 (101 years after!!!)...we are all still ruled by the stupid Iron Filings views!!

UNBE F*CK*NG..LIVABLE!!

I am very glad you have stepped in here with Us Bugfly!!...You are VERY WELCOME!!

Then you need to meet Timm, Markoul A PHD Scientist from Greece, Mike Palazzola a heck of an Experimenter!!..he also have developed a very impressive "Super FERROCELL" plus a Transparent Ferrofluid to see fields in 3D.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[spacecase0]

Of course...

Articles - https://yadi.sk/i/wFyc7fIcL2nEaA

Animation - https://yadi.sk/d/H-UqX9ehVP9dcg

Spiral Template - https://yadi.sk/i/Xc_PPxxQDHEwpQ

Just in case everything is taken from the site: https://archive.org/

These are three articles from the magazine "The Electrical experimenter" by F. F. Mace.

Article One:
"Magnetism Produces Remarkable Photographs" May, 1917
Page 14: https://archive.org/details/electric...18gern/page/14
Page 70: https://archive.org/details/electric...18gern/page/70
Page 71: Same link as above

Article Two:
"Are There Currents About A Magnet ?" October, 1917
Page 380: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/380
Page 381: Same link as above
Page 417: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/416
Page 418: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/418

Article Three:
"The Cause and Nature of Magnetic Currents"
Page 454: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/454
Page 455: Same link as above
Page 486: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/486
Page 487: Same link as above
Page 488: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/488
Page 489: Same link as above

And a small note on this topic.
"AN EXPERIMENT IN MR. MACE'S MAGNETIC CURRENTS." November, 1917
Page 769: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/768

Regards


Bugfly

it appears as if this was also rediscovered later as well
( or is this the same research form before ? either way, I had this one in hard copy, so it took me a bit to find. )
it is in the magazine
radio craft,
march 1944, pages 329, 378, 332, 333,
november 1944, pages 78, 79, 125

edit:
found them on the web
https://www.americanradiohistory.com...Page_Guide.htm

[Bugfly]

Hello Ufopolitics! I am glad you liked it.
Reading all these tons of information would be impossible for me with my knowledge of English. But I try to notice interesting aspects everywhere. Even if there is not much information, with which I was able to get acquainted. And about the interaction of forms, I just wanted to say that all forms interact in varying degrees. For example toroids interact with toroids very well. As we saw it on the example of the iron filings and a magnet. Other forms interact worse, but they also interact. And they have another geometric form of the interaction. I tried to say that all these are forms. And all we have to do is find the right form. The best hint here is science and nature together.
There are so many interesting forms that we do not understand at all.
For example bird wing:

Or rather a bird feather:

This form is found not only in birds, but also in trees:

Or more precisely in the leaves:

This form does something, it somehow works, the birds fly with it.
We just don't know that. As a rule, we already have all the necessary forms for all occasions, we just do not study them.

Regards


Bugfly

[Bugfly]

spacecase0, yes You are right!

Quote from the article;

In the same way the constant electric current is surrounded by magnetic force lines closed in circles, the constant magnetic current is surrounded by electric force lines closed in circles.

Yes they are inverse. Rather, they can be made inverse.
But again for this you need to apply the geometry, and in this case it will not be easy. I am even scared to imagine what form it is necessary to twist the wires so that they give out a magnetic current. This is a difficult task ...

Regards


Bugfly

[spacecase0]

spacecase0, yes You are right!

Quote from the article;

Yes they are inverse. Rather, they can be made inverse.
But again for this you need to apply the geometry, and in this case it will not be easy. I am even scared to imagine what form it is necessary to twist the wires so that they give out a magnetic current. This is a difficult task ...

Regards


Bugfly

the geometry I am trying to figure out is a mess

not sure if you read the entire thread here
but one of the ideas was from wilbert smith
he describes the dimensions in a unique way
he tells of 12 total, they are in sets of 3
first 3 are the space fabric,
1. length,
2. area
3. volume
all are at right angles to each other
the next 3 are the field forces and are also at right angles to each previous one. They are:
4. movement, typically spin.
5. divergent spin field (also known as an electric field)
6. a curled divergent spin field (also known as a magnetic field)
next set of 3 is the control fabric, and the geometry here is more messy than I can figure out
7. the first one in the set is like a magnetic field, but can have any orientation.
8. is summed up by "choice", this is where willpower acts
9. a specific order of events...
the next set of 3 is so messy as far as geometry I will not bother with them, but the last one is summed up as the reality we see.

gravity would be an unequal spin field
sort of like diffraction bends lights, matter moves to the stronger time field (time on our clocks = 1/ time field)
and the spinning fields inside matter is what makes the time field in the first place

so what I am trying to figure out is how do I orientate dimensions 4, 5, and 6 to make an unequal 4

and how does the electrostatic field VS the induced electric field fit in.
seems to me like the induced electric field we see is actually a time field, but not totally sure about that.

but what seems to be the real entertaining thing about this version of physics (if it is correct) is the possibility of building a device that messes with dimension 7.
would seem that the MAGVID idea tells how to do just that.
but I would like to verify it with the geometry...
it is all quite messy.
guess that at some point it might be easier to just build things and see what happens.

[Bugfly]

spacecase0, It will be messy when you go deep into the problem. The basics are pretty simple here.
And you know it. The magnetic field has a toroidal shape. I hope it is clear how the solenoid produces a toroidal flow.
This is because there is a magnetic flux in the form of a gimlet around a conductor with current. If the wire is rolled into a ring or solenoid,

then the magnetic flux interlocks and forms a toroid. The magnetic flux in this case is a string of toroid.
Magnetic flux is what flows along this curved line.



Now we need to straighten this curvilinear flow in a straight line.
How to do it?
Obviously, you need to somehow decompose the toroid.
There is one way that nobody wants to inverstigate, everyone just sneaking around and waits for some one other do it.
Let's look at the interaction of toroids. There are two main options.
When they fly one after another, and when they fly counter.
When they fly one after another it gives us nothing, because toroids are not decomposed. They remain toroids.
This is the basic idea of how this happens:
https://youtu.be/X6UjrE9kdb8
There are also some life examples:
https://youtu.be/prl0Z5kmSxE
0:14-0:16 https://youtu.be/ZSAWc8o-OwA
Even when the strike is off-center, two toroids still remains:
https://youtu.be/UqON_OIfpGY
https://youtu.be/7M03uf9G0AM
To make sure that these are toroids, you can look at this:
https://youtu.be/yFQ-wxvF-3Q
https://youtu.be/tQ0cfPWsOfg
The toroid does not collapse even when it passes through the interface between two media.
https://youtu.be/w5K8G4tJkMM
Very stable stuff...
There are some strange moments of the union of toroidal rings:
https://youtu.be/BIVNvyOCs2Y?t=337
5:37 - 5:47
But still, they are not decomposed this way.
Second option, when they fly counter:
https://youtu.be/XJk8ijAUCiI
https://youtu.be/EVbdbVhzcM4
https://youtu.be/Cm9l8-qngjM
This is where the real decomposition takes place.
And this must be investigate, but no one wants because it needed time, money, etc.
Well, now closer to the magnets. How this decomposition manifests itself in magnetic fields?
It is Ed Leedskalnin's PMH:
https://youtu.be/832qz3s1M-s
The difference between these two:
1) https://youtu.be/XJk8ijAUCiI
2) https://youtu.be/832qz3s1M-s
Only that in the second case there is a closed loop. I will try to explain. I hope it will be clear. Let's establish that in front of the torus it has a... I don't know what to call it, suppose we call it nose, it indicates the direction where the toroid flies. And behind the toroid is tail. The tail is always behind in relation to the direction of travel. In the first case, the toroids are in contact only with their noses. While in the second case, toroids are in contact with both noses and tails. This determines the closed circuit.
And I’m pretty sure that whatever’s flowing there is a straightened out magnetic flux.
Well, and where we can actually see further investigation?
Where is the winding in which this stream circulates?
Where is the checking of the interaction of such windings?
Conversation will not help here, this needs to be checked further.
And here there will be a real mess...
And the most important thing. Notice that Ed Leedskalnin's PMH effect formed in iron or steel chains circuit. The farther from iron, the worse the effect. But who said that you can not organize such a circuit with ordinary wires. Look at the EMP JAMMER, it's construction:
https://youtu.be/3uNpBju4yr4
Look carefully and notice the winding of one wire by another (6:12 - 6:50). At least this is already part of creating something similar to the magnetic flux.
These devices are very popular in Russia, because they can destroy any electronics.
I wonder what will happen if you make it correctly, with two counter windings, not just one.



Regards


Bugfly

[sinergicus]

I found an article relating to electrogravitics... at some point in article was mentioned some intereseting experiments made by some guys... I found them very interesting :
In 1996, late night radio host Art Bell received a package containing bits of metal that the sender claimed was taken from the crashed UFO found near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. Could these unassuming pieces of metal be the evidence that proved the reality of UFOs and their use of electrogravitic technology? The pieces of metal seemed almost too good to be true and Bell was at first skeptical because of similar past hoaxes involving alleged parts from UFOs.

Bell sent a few samples to Linda Moulton Howe, who promptly had the metal analyzed. Using Wave Dispersive Spectroscopy, It was discovered that the metal was made up of a magnesium zinc alloy with pure bismuth layers. There was a range from 97 to about 97 -1/2 % magnesium and 3% to 2 -1/2 % zinc in each of those 100 to 200micron layers of the magnesium zinc, so the metal was almost entirely magnesium with about 3% zinc.

The pure bismuth layers were one to four microns thick in a slightly wavy pattern and nothing else but bismuth was found. No oxygen was found, no zirconium, no other elements -just these three.

High energy experiments conducted on the unusual metal indicated a tendency for lateral movement. Unfortunately, this research has not resulted in any solid conclusions at this time.

After this information was broadcast on Art's show, Howe received a fax from a listener named Dan who indicated he had professional knowledge that would relate the material to antigravity. He had worked from 1973 to 1980 for an organization called Aeronautical Systems Division at Edwards Air Force Base in California with some assignments at Wright Patterson in Ohio.

Dan received bachelors degrees in physics, aerospace engineering and computer science from California Polytechnic State University, a masters degrees in computer science and aerospace engineering from the University of California at Berkley and then received his Ph.D. in physics in 1974 after he had already begun work as a civilian scientist for the Air Force.

Dan told Howe that he had been involved in aeronautical engineering and evaluations when he first saw metal similar to what was sent to Art bell. The metal supposedly was used in a electrogravitic capacity.



In the case of bismuth, its basically a diamagnetic material which means it tends to repel a magnetic field.

"There were very strange things that were bound with bismuth as basically positive charges were added to it, you know, putting a field, a positive electron field into the bismuth," Dan said to Howe.



"As a matter of fact they were very dramatic, some of the things that they found. A lot of this goes all the way back to 1917 with Nikola Tesla and his discoveries of electrical fields and gravity."

Howe wanted to know what was the most dramatic thing that would happen as the positive flow was increased into bismuth. Dan's answer was that basically there would be a mass reduction to the point where it could come to zero and actually rise into the air, creating a lifting body.

A now defunct UFO group in England claimed that one of their members had conducted experiments with dissimilar metals in the 1970's. He used two disks of the same dimension and thickness but of two different materials, copper and zinc. The disks were kept very close together and rotated in opposite directions. The claim was they levitated when spun, though the comment did not specify the requirement for high voltage as in the case of the Biefeld/Brown effect.

It was simply rotation of mass which is more consistent with Otis T. Carr, Bruce DePalma and Dr. Harold Aspden, with their claims of anomalous inertial or gravitic effects associated with rotating mass. https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/c...project080.htm

[Gambeir]

so,
I was wondering around on the web today trying to design something
and ran across something fascinating
it is the article on effective mass (I was looking at the electron )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect...ate_physics%29
these 2 bits are what got my attention


so what if the devices we are looking at change the effective mass at key points in movement in piezoelectric movement ?

This thread is spiraling out in to lost in space. Somebody has to take charge of the situation before it's too late.

Thanks, that is exactly the sort of thing to take notice of and which lead me to this;
https://web.archive.org/web/20161126...ystal_momentum

After which I became distracted and had to answer several messages.

[Gambeir]

I found an article relating to electrogravitics... at some point in article was mentioned some intereseting experiments made by some guys...


In the case of bismuth, its basically a diamagnetic material which means it tends to repel a magnetic field.

"There were very strange things that were bound with bismuth as basically positive charges were added to it, you know, putting a field, a positive electron field into the bismuth," Dan said to Howe.


"As a matter of fact they were very dramatic, some of the things that they found. A lot of this goes all the way back to 1917 with Nikola Tesla and his discoveries of electrical fields and gravity."

Howe wanted to know what was the most dramatic thing that would happen as the positive flow was increased into bismuth. Dan's answer was that basically there would be a mass reduction to the point where it could come to zero and actually rise into the air, creating a lifting body.

A now defunct UFO group in England claimed that one of their members had conducted experiments with dissimilar metals in the 1970's. He used two disks of the same dimension and thickness but of two different materials, copper and zinc. The disks were kept very close together and rotated in opposite directions. The claim was they levitated when spun, though the comment did not specify the requirement for high voltage as in the case of the Biefeld/Brown effect.

It was simply rotation of mass which is more consistent with Otis T. Carr, Bruce DePalma and Dr. Harold Aspden, with their claims of anomalous inertial or gravitic effects associated with rotating mass. [/COLOR] https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/c...project080.htm

Thanks, ya know this is some good information I've not previously seen. As food for thought it's really dangerous stuff too, which makes it all the better, because remember that almost everything you're told, all the time, is told to keep your brain thinking with a specific purpose of using up it's free ranging computing power. Nobody thinks too much about that as the primary purpose of education but that is what 98% of education is actually all about.

Almost all sound and sight that reaches our eye's and ears are designed to keep us moving one direction; the same way a cattle prod keeps a cow moving in one direction. This is the mass danger and madness of mass media and re-education camps which people think are there to help them.

Anyways, this is some dang interesting and dangerous free wheeling thinking material. Shame on you Sinergicushere's, what are you trying to do, make people start thinking or something? Why do you realize that right here is a whole field that could use some help or at least some kind of investigation: Good job trouble maker. Lol~

[sinergicus]

Anyways, this is some dang interesting and dangerous free wheeling thinking material. Shame on you Sinergicushere's, what are you trying to do, make people start thinking or something? Why do you realize that right here is a whole field that could use some help or at least some kind of investigation: Good job trouble maker. Lol~

yes I am a trouble maker I hope someday the big brother that suppressing free energy and antigravity technology will have big problem because of people like us ,and they cannot hide the secrets anymore ...

[spacecase0]

spacecase0, It will be messy when you go deep into the problem. The basics are pretty simple here.
And you know it.

I agree the basics are simple,
but I want to figure this out with theory all the way before I build to much more.
I have already built much of what is predicted and what others have done. Got no results from it.
my guess is that my numbers were totally wrong.
likely not nearly enough power into the fields.
the easy versions of the tests got me noting. and the larger versions are almost out of my price range, so I can't just go experiment with all of them.
likely only have one more try for the near future as far as tests. so I want it to be the correct one to test.
for me to be sure I have it right, I need the perfect version of the theories, and that is the messy version