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  • Dual Oscillator Light Using 3 battery System

    Hi all, i am testing another 3 battery setup, using the same 12 volt tractor batteries as in previous experiments.
    This time, i'm using a dual circuit oscillator in standard joule thief format.
    Some differences may be contributing to the good results i'm observing.
    Such as, lower flyback voltage, capacitor buffering on output and a lower wattage being extracted between the positives, below the C/20 rate of each battery, as the 235cca, is around 13 amp/hours i think.

    So far, it is getting interesting.
    I have placed all 3 batteries in parallel, to equalize them.
    The total voltage is resting at 37.65 volts.
    This after 12 hours runtime so far, at around 7-7.5 watts average being used between the positives,
    or around 90 watt/hours.
    Now remember, these 3 batteries started out at 37.515 volts total and had not been used for a few weeks.

    Hi all, so after letting all 3 batteries equalize half of yesterday and into this morning, connected in parallel, these are the results.
    Original starting rest voltage of each battery:
    A = 12.50 volts
    B = 12.52 volts
    C = 12.495 volts
    Total = 37.515 volts
    Present resting voltage after around 90 watt/hours extracted:
    A = 12.52 volts
    B = 12.52 volts
    C = 12.55 volts
    Total = 37.59 volts
    Will continue the experiment.

    The results keep getting more interesting.
    I am finding, that it seems best to place all 3 batteries in parallel, to equalize them, after every test run or use.
    This reveals some interesting things, that may not be apparent, if we only add up the resting voltages after a test run.
    When we place them all in parallel to equalize, it shows us a more true state of charge of all 3 batteries and keeps any one battery from falling too far below any other battery.
    As for the slowly improving results i am seeing, i think that the power being extracted from this setup, is probably within an ideal range for these size and type of batteries.
    I have made similar tests with these batteries previously, in a 3 battery setup also, though i think i was drawing far too much power for these batteries.
    Also, this dual circuit is different also than previous circuits, the capacitors could be helping transfer the charge more efficiently into the charge battery as well.
    So i ran the dual circuit again for 4 hours this time, for around 120 watt/hours total so far and the batteries are all in equalization mode again.
    And yet again, the voltages overall, are slowly climbing.
    I will let it equalize overnight again, though i can see where it is going.
    Two of the batteries will drop somewhat by morning and then a little more after they are disconnected from parallel equalization mode, however, they are climbing in voltage, that is for sure.
    A = 12.565 volts
    B = 12.57 volts
    C = 12.565 volts
    Total = 37.7 volts
    We shall see what the voltage settles to tomorrow and after they have rested after being disconnected from equalization.
    Your thoughts are very welcome.
    peace love light
    Heres is circuit drawing and couple pics, though i have yet to show the 3 batteries in the circuit, i will when i get a chance.



    Last edited by SkyWatcher; 05-25-2017, 06:03 PM.

  • #2


    Nice work as usual Sky!

    Really interesting to get them in parallel for equalisation...

    Do you rotate their position when running the setup?

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    • #3
      Hi wistiti, thanks for the kind words.
      Yes, i am rotating them after each 3 or 4 hour run.
      Though I'm immediately placing them all in parallel after each run, to equalize.
      Reason being, if we just add up the voltages of all 3 batteries after letting them rest for a few hours, that does not seem to give an accurate representation of the overall charge in the batteries and thus, true resting voltages.
      Another benefit to equalizing them every time, none of the batteries can get too far below another in voltage.

      Here is an update on testing and i will always post the original battery voltages for reference.
      Original starting rest voltage of each battery:
      A = 12.50 volts
      B = 12.52 volts
      C = 12.495 volts
      Total = 37.515 volts
      Current rest voltage after 16 hours runtime or 120 watt/hours.
      A = 12.51 volts
      B = 12.56 volts
      C = 12.52 volts
      Total = 37.59 volts
      So it seems to stabilizing.
      peace love light

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      • #4
        Hi Sky!
        Sorry if I not clear, I want to know if you move the position of the battery during the run time or just betwin each run time..?

        Hope to be clear... may not cause English is not my mothertong.....

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        • #5
          [QUOTE=SkyWatcher;301724]Hi all, i am testing another 3 battery setup, using the same 12 volt tractor batteries as in previous experiments.
          This time, i'm using a dual circuit oscillator in standard joule thief format.
          Some differences may be contributing to the good results i'm observing.
          Such as, lower flyback voltage, capacitor buffering on output and a lower wattage being extracted between the positives, below the C/20 rate of each battery, as the 235cca, is around 13 amp/hours i think.

          So far, it is getting interesting.
          I have placed all 3 batteries in parallel, to equalize them.
          The total voltage is resting at 37.65 volts.
          This after 12 hours runtime so far, at around 7-7.5 watts average being used between the positives,
          or around 90 watt/hours.
          Now remember, these 3 batteries started out at 37.515 volts total and had not been used for a few weeks.

          Hi all, so after letting all 3 batteries equalize half of yesterday and into this morning, connected in parallel, these are the results.
          Original starting rest voltage of each battery:
          A = 12.50 volts
          B = 12.52 volts
          C = 12.495 volts
          Total = 37.515 volts
          Present resting voltage after around 90 watt/hours extracted:
          A = 12.52 volts
          B = 12.52 volts
          C = 12.55 volts
          Total = 37.59 volts
          Will continue the experiment.

          The results keep getting more interesting.
          I am finding, that it seems best to place all 3 batteries in parallel, to equalize them, after every test run or use.
          This reveals some interesting things, that may not be apparent, if we only add up the resting voltages after a test run.
          When we place them all in parallel to equalize, it shows us a more true state of charge of all 3 batteries and keeps any one battery from falling too far below any other battery.
          As for the slowly improving results i am seeing, i think that the power being extracted from this setup, is probably within an ideal range for these size and type of batteries.
          I have made similar tests with these batteries previously, in a 3 battery setup also, though i think i was drawing far too much power for these batteries.
          Also, this dual circuit is different also than previous circuits, the capacitors could be helping transfer the charge more efficiently into the charge battery as well.
          So i ran the dual circuit again for 4 hours this time, for around 120 watt/hours total so far and the batteries are all in equalization mode again.
          And yet again, the voltages overall, are slowly climbing.
          I will let it equalize overnight again, though i can see where it is going.
          Two of the batteries will drop somewhat by morning and then a little more after they are disconnected from parallel equalization mode, however, they are climbing in voltage, that is for sure.
          A = 12.565 volts
          B = 12.57 volts
          C = 12.565 volts
          Total = 37.7 volts
          We shall see what the voltage settles to tomorrow and after they have rested after being disconnected from equalization.
          Your thoughts are very welcome.
          peace love light
          Heres is circuit drawing and couple pics, though i have yet to show the 3 batteries in the circuit, i will when i get a chance.

          ----------—------------------------------

          Very interesting sky
          Looking forward to more reporting on this.

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          • #6
            Hi wistiti, i move the position between each run time.
            peace love light

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
              Hi wistiti, i move the position between each run time.
              peace love light
              Thank you!

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              • #8


                Hi Sky and turion
                Just let you know I give a quick try to similar as your setup but with a different oscillator setup and have same results!

                Run time is 2:00 hours
                Start
                B1: 12,82v
                B2: 12,79v
                B3: 12,87v

                Load is 8w led bulb (see photo)

                End after 2 hours run and 1 hour rest equalized in parallel
                B1: 12,84v
                B2: 12,90v
                B3: 12,86v

                Definitively pulsing the 3 bgs is a must!!!
                Attached Files

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                • #9
                  Hi all, Hi wistiti, thanks for sharing the good work.
                  I am recharging my 3 batteries in parallel to try some more testing.
                  I want them all as equal as possible in charge level and voltage.
                  So when they are all fully charged, i will keep them connected in parallel for a day or so and then disconnect them from each other and let them rest for another day at least.
                  I just want to be sure something of benefit is actually happening and more experiments will teach me.
                  peace love light

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                  • #10
                    Hi all, have been running some tests using the re-emf circuit, only difference is alternate parts and a capacitor in parallel with charge battery 3 and diode from capacitor to the charge battery.
                    Used a 26 volt power supply to replace 2 series batteries for control tests.
                    Started with resistor load, 4.38 watt/hours taken from charge battery 3.
                    Then charged for 2 hours using the re-emf circuit, 5.04 watt/hours were put into charge battery, average measurements taken from between the negatives.
                    Then ran resistor load for an hour again, 4.38 watt/hours used.
                    Then recharged using standard charger to the designated 14.7 volts,
                    3.93 watt/hours were put into the charge battery.
                    All this looks pretty efficient to me, though nothing is being powered, so is not very practical.
                    So i tried a non-modifed led bulb off the flyback diode into the capacitor and it lights nicely and does not appear to be reducing the charge rate at all.
                    It's interesting, the capacitor, with the diode going from capacitor to charge battery, it seems to trickle current into the charge battery.
                    So, this is the testing that is going to be made now, with 3 actual batteries.
                    Hopefully it will be as efficient as the numbers i shared are showing.
                    Comments are welcome.

                    peace love light

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                    • #11
                      Hi all, as i was looking back in one of my threads, called 'garry stanley pulse motor', for some reference material to post in the Newman thread, i ran across a post from garry stanley.
                      I think he posted some very valuable information in that thread and i think i did not give it the attention i should have given it, for whatever reason.
                      Here is the quote:
                      You all seem to still be looking for output either from this or using this as a drive unit so perhaps you can understand it using batteries ...take 2 1.5 volt penlight cells or whatever you have and place them in series ... this will show you 3 volts on your meter check each one to make sure its 1.5 and then put them back together with the 2 + heads touching and measure across the - ends and you get nothing yet both batteries still retain their 1.5 volts ...an interesting thing happens if you then add a third battery to this line ...no matter which way round you add it you still get 1.5 volts because you have now unbalanced the original 2 batteries...
                      this leads to something you might want to give a go and that is when charging batteries always start with 0 volts ...you do this by ...if you are using 3 x 12 volt cells ...you get another 3 and place them in the line but backwards so you have +-+-+--+-+-+ totaling to 0 volts this means every single volt you produce from your charging device in either direction is more than your battery pack has and therefore is collected as charge eg you now only need 1 volt to have enough to charge a 36 volt pack.
                      Put meters on both sets when charging and you will always see one set start to rise even with the smallest amount of output.
                      Hope this helps some of you.
                      Garry
                      I'm planning to use this method of charging, using two 12 volt tractor batteries and the radiant spikes will fill the capacitor and offset the balance between the 2 batteries and one will then charge.
                      Right now, i am testing it using the two 12 volt tractor batteries, with only one AA 1.2 volt nimh cell and it is charging one of batteries.
                      peace love light

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