Continued Tests of the 3 Battery System

[mikrovolt]

I agree about the effects being more important than measurements. I'll leave that where it sits but will give my own comments as to what the effect is, right or wrong, in the 3 battery thread since it would be on topic.

Reword, modify design, rethink be in the top after market groups
If I owned a new Toyota I would want a product that works with all the
latest sales marketing. Not really a loss because there is a new game ahead.

Example of why a new owner believes Dynamic Force motor is different.
https://youtu.be/wwLxxZm_LRQ

or why the adrenalin type will only buy top after market parts
https://youtu.be/gzJzFf9Z61o

[Aaron]

Thane Heins

No I don't doubt that the claims are other than, but like I try to tell people its not about what you can measure its about effect.And it is an amazing effect. The biggest thing about labeling or calling out is the fact that someone might walk away when there is so much to be had from this. Even if he doesn't know what he has, he might be worth just leaving alone, primarily so others can pick it up. It a real good thing. Just my 2 cents.

Matt

I agree about the effects being more important than measurements. I'll leave that where it sits but will give my own comments as to what the effect is, right or wrong, in the 3 battery thread since it would be on topic.

[Matthew Jones]

What I am agreeing with is that his overunity claims were accurately debunked by someone that analyzed his measurement method - that's it.

I just reread Pentarbe's post and he/she is also not saying there aren't some interesting effects, just that his overunity claims were bogus and were proven to be so.

No I don't doubt that the claims are other than, but like I try to tell people its not about what you can measure its about effect.And it is an amazing effect. The biggest thing about labeling or calling out is the fact that someone might walk away when there is so much to be had from this. Even if he doesn't know what he has, he might be worth just leaving alone, primarily so others can pick it up. It a real good thing. Just my 2 cents.

Matt

[Aaron]

Thane

I would be careful how far you decide to call his work phony. There is a real bases for it. Whether or not he understands what he is doing and what he gives out is a good question. His patents are full of nonsense but that is not unusual.
The process he uses to make the coils accelerate is a good starting point for anyone to see the effect. With half pennies worth of sense a coil can be tuned to accelerate on load.
Most have never put the 2 together but Bill (Wilhelm) Muller used the same effect in his machine. Watch the old movie filmed in his living room. He says "That coil is not even trying to slow the rotor down, 300 watts...".
I think this effect has been around for a while is NOT credited to any known force.
Trying invalidate someones work because they are flaky is not always the best way to approach the subject, especially someone in FE communities. Lots of flaky people running around.

This is a valid thing and should be looked at more. Its easy to get going and if someone picked it up, took it serious they could go along way. No need to discourage them.

Matt

What I am agreeing with is that his overunity claims were accurately debunked by someone that analyzed his measurement method - that's it.

I just reread Pentarbe's post and he/she is also not saying there aren't some interesting effects, just that his overunity claims were bogus and were proven to be so.

[Matthew Jones]

Thane is part of the problem - he doesn't have overunity and never has. One of the most qualified people in the world visited him to vet his technology and it became very apparent that he was not correctly measuring his results. Thane had a hissy fit about it and got really angry because he could not accept or acknowledge that he has been misleading himself (unintentionally) and everyone else. To this day, Thane continues his phony free energy claims knowing that he is misrepresenting this results. That disqualifies him from commenting on anyone's spiritual path.

Birds of a feather flock together.

That's true - I know exactly who you're talking about. I should ask him if he is willing to post the full analysis.

I would be careful how far you decide to call his work phony. There is a real bases for it. Whether or not he understands what he is doing and what he gives out is a good question. His patents are full of nonsense but that is not unusual.
The process he uses to make the coils accelerate is a good starting point for anyone to see the effect. With half pennies worth of sense a coil can be tuned to accelerate on load.
Most have never put the 2 together but Bill (Wilhelm) Muller used the same effect in his machine. Watch the old movie filmed in his living room. He says "That coil is not even trying to slow the rotor down, 300 watts...".
I think this effect has been around for a while is NOT credited to any known force.
Trying invalidate someones work because they are flaky is not always the best way to approach the subject, especially someone in FE communities. Lots of flaky people running around.

This is a valid thing and should be looked at more. Its easy to get going and if someone picked it up, took it serious they could go along way. No need to discourage them.

Matt

[RAMSET]

I am completely unaware of any such info

When I was speaking with Thane yesterday he mentioned a new report from Siemans about his work and a new project they will be doing, he said he would be forwarding that info to me.


I just called for his opinion,and yes I really do like the guy.



Chet K

[Aaron]

verification

One of the most qualified people in the world visited him to vet his technology and it became very apparent that he was not correctly measuring his results.

That's true - I know exactly who you're talking about. I should ask him if he is willing to post the full analysis.

[pentarbe]

Thane

Thane has known Luc for some 20 years and knows his spiritual path is not an act.

Thane is part of the problem - he doesn't have overunity and never has. One of the most qualified people in the world visited him to vet his technology and it became very apparent that he was not correctly measuring his results. Thane had a hissy fit about it and got really angry because he could not accept or acknowledge that he has been misleading himself (unintentionally) and everyone else. To this day, Thane continues his phony free energy claims knowing that he is misrepresenting this results. That disqualifies him from commenting on anyone's spiritual path.

Birds of a feather flock together.

[RAMSET]

A nice long Chat with Thane

Thane has known Luc for some 20 years and knows his spiritual path is not
an act.
He stands 10000 % for Luc and his intent [service to humanity not money]
it seems he would Vouch for Luc with his last breathe .

respectfully
Chet K
PS
I will not comment in this topic ,I said I would call Thane
and I did , just reported My findings .

he's a cool guy !

[BroMikey]

Still have some parts to get, Jordan is working hard.
Course we home school and is glad to get some time to do shop.

Each level can support 4 of these batteries.

A few extra pictures to show how small the wheel is by placing a
flyswatter and cassette tape in the view.

he still needs to make a panel for meters. Thanks a million for the
fun adventure. This is Jordan's beginning mock up. The excitement
is high.

















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[Matthew Jones]

Anybody out there that thinking about sharing anything for replication should think again. The primary reason I always wanted to was to obtain the results of other people, whether it worked or not those results could add value to the overall project. Understanding in what could go wrong is just as valuable as what goes right.
But today all people besides your self want to replicate your project far enough away from original instruction so that they can claim the results.
No one is interested in mutual benefit. Some of you still think that. You should get that out of your head.
Work for your own understanding and do not desire approval, you will not get it.
Everyone believes they are more informed than you, everyone.

[BroMikey]

The ONLY good place for a boost module in a simple setup is BEFORE the motor to increase the voltage into it. Then batteries MUST be rotated. Use generator to produce power for USE. That’s the BEST system. Until your gen puts out enough power to replace primaries.


Charging and discharging batteries at the same time is a WASTE of power. WASTE. WASTE. WASTE

Yes I meant to say that. But to keep it short I stopped. But Turion is
right use 2 boosters, 1 to drive the PMM connected between positives
and one to relieve the over charging condition of battery 3, or the
charge battery pack.

This is one beginning setup and 5 more are possible so as not to confuse
start somewhere and not everywhere all at once.


These are only one set of details. Without giving every and all details
here, see threads "SPLITTING THE POSITIVE" and many more such
as THE BASIC FREE ENERGY DEVICE where all of the info has originated.

Also I found that if you are running a 48v run pack into a 12v charge
pack you will need a step down converter to regulate the energy for
proper charging conditions as laid out by the manufacturer.

So potentially 3 boosters depending on your choice for setup.

Basically run a step up boost converter off the run pack and charge
pack positives (my booster cost $3)
(Two 12v batteries = 24v) and (one 12v battery) for beginning stage
tests to get your feet all wet. Once the booster is feeding the drive
motor (recommended rewound type) you can vary the voltage so
as to maintain a constant motor run rpm critical to the generator
coils that require a specified condition for optimum output.

So get going. Buy a few cheap boosters and start plugging them in
all different ways and keep adding or buy a battery swapper and use
a 4 battery set up. Either way you are not going to get everything
you need in this one post.

You will need to have a greater attention span so all of the info can be
absorbed, this takes huge amounts of time even for the right person.

All I and Turion are giving you are pointers here in a single post.

If you are going to use a battery swapper you won't need the boosters
or use both. I am using the KISS formula where

Use a pulse motor, move the power around with minimal waste
using boosters and run lots of coils that help the motor right at the
generator section.

After the device I describes starts up, the charge pack booster is
no longer needed which accounts for the greatest booster losses.

In my case the pulse motor runs on 1 or 2 amps coming off the booster
at around 15-20vdc so this is max 40watts and the gen coils can put out
that and much more.

Pick one set up and stick to it, don't try them all at once. You will only
give up. You have to start somewhere then stay with it.

Don't try this at home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJcCukvXqs

Now ya know what it feels like.


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[BroMikey]

Greetings and salutations to all

Let me explain what Turion just said about the practical over unity
devices now being built.

1) Power a generator with a pulsed PMM (permanent magnet motor)
Doing this cuts your energy bill in half, I know I am doing it.

Next use

2) Parallel wound gen coils that are connected in series as they
assist the motor action and further reducing your power bill for the
drive section.

That's all it is. Soon more similar to what WANTOMAKE did will have one
too so get busy and follow instructions. Even tho we spend much
time kicking the azzez of obstinate trolls, don't be side tracked, this
stuff is going to explode on the market. When It takes off money is
going to flow for everyone.

There is enough room for everyone. Peter is doing it, Matt does it, Dave
makes his work, Thane does stuff like this and has a big corporation
selling products. Others who are fearful have it working and won't tell
anyone.

If you get the 3 battery system working (in 15minute) then what I did
is one of multiple additions suggested by our advanced team, that is
use a boost converter off the over charging battery you would
normally rotate every so many minutes in the basic trials.

In this way you lose a tiny bit with the booster efficiencies as it pumps
energy back to the run pack but when the gen coils are turned on the
run pack picks up a small portion from the gen coils to keep them full
leaving you with an over charging bank and huge excess off the remaining
energy produced by the gen coils.

It is so simple once you have done it.

Again

1) Pulse a PMM either by circuit or by rewinding as specified (recommended)
2) Power a lenz free gen coil pack that puts you way over the top.

Once you get going nothing will stop this. My son has already shown
me things doing projecting I would never thought would work and he
is only 14yrs. It will only work for those who do it the way it is laid out.

The 3 battery arrangement let's you run power out of a series set of
12v batteries of 24vdc into a PMM that charges a 3rd charge battery
bank 12v , as it is called. So the first step is to do that, pulsing saves
you right off the bat then onto the many possible generator coil
designs that are well trodden and ready to do the work.

See a thread called "SPLITTING THE POSITIVE" as well as the basic free
energy device, 3 battery generating systems, regenx thread and more
to refine your understanding of the possible additions to this system.

I understand most folks will just look at this and hit the bullzhit button
but the rest of you who are thinkers and inventors will get it shortly. You are leaders.

[RAMSET]

URGENT I can burn water and I will share how I did it ...in an open source forum

basically Lucs claim ,and apparently what he did .

If reporting what we all read is considered being a stooge ??
I don't need to continue.................

there is another Man right now at the same forum saying he can spin a magnet forever with no batteries or ??[or something like that]
he wants to share open source

this is ten years later ,and it seems the only way he can do this without it getting stolen out from underneath him is to patent it and then give it away [his wishes]

he wants to give it away ,not patent he has not shared his method yet.

In Luc's case he held back nothing and he apparently shared something Unique
Look what "WE" can do....and here is how you do it.



so he gives away the secret DAY ONE ,at least what he felt was a true new discovery...he just gave it away with all bold letters to draw attention

I still remember it scrolling across the forum every day.

URGENT I can Burn water and I'll show you how i did it ...

a gift freely given with no secrets

and then came......

changes and improvements etc ...but it was all about this discovery which burned the water. [heresy to science]

and then came people knocking [apparently]
and the knowledge that it could be taken from the community
unless it was patented ,Luc had believed [as we all still do at some level]

that full public disclosure makes it unpatentable and puts it in the public Domain.
apparently not true
seems this is the way it is ...first guy to the patent office can steal it from the inventor??

I believe I have "since" read Aaron's agreement with this here?
patent it or lose it ?



and to this day it seems 10 years later,

the man with the magnets that will spin forever and wants to share??

HE has NOT shared yet??

he will have no choice either ?

but he ...unlike Luc
has given no secrets away ..

Patents Money and lawyers ,always a recipe for a happy ending??
yeesh

how can the open source community fix this mess ??

the respectful Stooge

Chet K
PS
and regarding the test on the battery system

from day one all principles in the claim were and still are invited to the lab to oversee the project and insure it is done properly.

all their parts and bits and pieces
and from day one it would all be live streamed to insure 100 % transparency.

this was how I presented the offer to Dave and later to Matt when I spoke with him
I told him
"The door to that Lab is wide open to you if you have a problem with how this is being done"


I fail to see how that scenario is anything but a genuine hope for the best result ??

and for clarity
that offer is right here in the minutes of this forum
MANY TIMES.

and the offer was NEVER made [by me] to disprove anything, quite the contrary

I absolutely believe these three fellows
David Matt and Carroll have something which needs to be understood.

To add
I know good intentions don't make a good result

here lack of Money and logistics got in the way

and compromises started happening

smaller batteries etc etc

not what I intended when I initially made the offer to David and much like him with his health issue
I developed a problem too ,and its still going on
so I will not be playing the stooge here any longer

going to try and sort out my life while I still have my eye sight ,my good eye has started failing
a warning to persons getting cataract surgery

you might go blind if you had both eyes done like me, apparently a certain percentage of us have a physiology which causes retina detachment and it just keeps detaching.
and like myself it might not happen for years.

wear that helmet when you weld [not that Blinky cover the arc with your glove crap while fabricating.
and good sun glasses whenever you can outside

[Aaron]

Luc Choquette is a liar and fraud

For anyone interested in indisputable proof and smoking gun evidence that Luc Choquette is a pathological, lying sociopath, read this:

http://www.energeticforum.com/free-e...8-dispute.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/free-e...spute-2-a.html

Those thread have been hidden for many, many years.

In the first thread, I added a couple of posts towards the end, which address Luc Choquette's lies in his response from 2015 posted by Ramset, a willing stooge of Luc and others. You will see 100% definitive proof that what I said about Luc is 100% correct, period. I made 5 detailed posts in the first thread, which will put Luc's lies to bed. Arvind is Asisin - keep in mind that at that time, Arvind was deceived into thinking Luc was the good guy only being used by Karthik.

The second thread, Dispute2 was started by Ash after I closed the first one.

That is where any further discussion about Luc Choquette can remain so as to keep this thread on topic - Luc's phony analysis of the 3 battery system as well as posts about Luc's phony analysis of the 3 battery system.