Bedini Cigars

[Satyam108]

Today I received a recording of John Bedini at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado Springs - September of 1984. This was where John first presented the 3BSTP (Three Battery Split the Positive) concept - reportedly with AA NiCads and a little motor in a cigar box.


Toby Grotz is retired electrical engineer and still a Free Energy researcher and advocate. He has been to India to meet with Paramahansa Tewari and his Lenz Free generator.



Toby was the organizer and MC of the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado Springs in 1984 - celebrating 100 years since Tesla came to the US, September (was it the 11th?!?!) of 1884. As most of us know, Tesla spent about a year in Colorado Springs circa 1899, and first demonstrated wireless power transmission.



The scene from The Prestige recreates Tesla transmitting power to a plethora of light bulbs on a hillside above Colorado Springs. They reportedly just had one wire sticking up like a vertical aerial, and a stake driven into the ground for the other terminal of the bulb. Tesla was transmitting the power from a dome shaped radiator above his lab. So it is quite cosmically fitting that John Bedini would present the 3BSTP at this centennial Tesla celebration. (Jim Watson was also there and presented his replication of Bedini's Kromrey Converter or G-Field Generator. See: 20  Bedini and I have asked Toby for any and all info he has or can find on Watson's presentation. He remembers him being there.

My hearing is very poor and the audio is very bad in this recording of Bedini at the Centennial, but I'm hopeful that it can be boosted and cleaned up and transcribed. If you would like to aid in this endeavor, please send me your e-mail addy via PM here, and I will get the ~99 Megs file to you via We Transfer. The recording might be a treasure.

As 3 researchers, Matt, Desa and Turion have reported that their 3BSTP systems stabilized - achieved stasis - and ran the motor WITHOUT discharging the batteries, and without needing to rotate them, it lends credence to what John Bedini told Peter Lindemann - that the Cigar Box POC (Proof of Concept) ran its tiny motor for 6 months after the '84 symposium, until a "visitor" to his lab smashed it when John left the room for a minute.

[wantomake]

Good one

Good idea,
Nice start for a subject without end. I've very much enjoyed the "musings" Duncan has graced this forum and my mind.

We (mostly Duncan) touched on the crystalline structures of batteries some time ago after I'd posted a youtuber of a single sulfated "dead" battery which powered two (?) 50 watt bulbs and pulsed with 6~9 vdc. This was the battery in postion #3 of Turions 3BGS setup after running for a period of time.

That event tilted my windmills and solidified my belief of "free energy".

I'll not clutter here, but will be hanging on each word as you, Duncan, and others attempt to unravel then reassemble this mystery.

Big fan of teachings and subject,
wantomake

[ewizard]

Is "The Prestige" a movie or series? Where can one find that?

[ZeroMassInertia]

The Prestige was a movie basically about Magicians
You can go to youtube.com and do a search for the “The Prestige” and view the trailer.

[dR-Green]

Tesla was transmitting the power from a dome shaped radiator above his lab.

Just in the interests of anti-misinformation for future readers who may come along, Tesla was transmitting energy from the iron ground rods buried in the ground beneath his lab That's why the bulbs are connected to the earth.

Is "The Prestige" a movie or series? Where can one find that?

The Prestige (2006) - IMDb

It's not bad as a film but it makes Tesla out to be some sort of time travelling magician more than an electrical engineer and scientist, the truth is always less exciting It's available to stream for free here, but they make up for it with adverts and popups

The Prestige (2006) - Watch Movie and TV Show PubFilm HD Free

[Satyam108]

Massive Iron Inverted Xmas Tree below Wardenclyffe

Just in the interests of anti-misinformation for future readers who may come along, Tesla was transmitting energy from the iron ground rods buried in the ground beneath his lab That's why the bulbs are connected to the earth.

Thanks Doc, Indeed it's pretty well known that St. Nikola had a huge ground system below his Long Island Lab and Magnifying Transmitter tower at Wardenclyffe and he learned the need for this at his Colorado Springs Experimental Station in 1899. Good account here (grammar and spelling notwithstanding.)
https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/colo...lab-1899-1900/

[Duncan]

wow Jim you said the audio was poor ah well a bit at a time

[wantomake]

JB recording

Satyam108,
Do you have a link to the J. Bedini recording ? Or could you pm it to me?

Can we build a version of a cigar box for discussion here. I'll be using li-ion batteries instead of nicads. I have an assortment of RS motors to use. Doubt J. Bedini had a modified Matt motor. Not sure the date Matthew Jones shared the modified motor but, sure it was after JB's cigar box.

Would be greatly appreciated,
wantomake

[Duncan]

Study of Tesla gives me the heebie Jeebies he seems to have carried most things in his head and the rest has been treated to smoke and mirrors. Each time I delve into NT more interesting enigma's turn up. here's a few that I'll point to and the questions they raise .
1/ Death certificate not available (apparently) was poor O'l NT bumped off ? (he certainly wouldn't be the last FE researcher to get potted even if he was)
Farinelli was a singer who was separated from his balls in order to preserve his voice (castrato). It is suggested by no less an authority than Andrija Puharich that are hero Tesla was also 'Nutless' perhaps to remove sexual 'urges' and so concentrate on his research ?
I often wonder if some readers and contributers to energetics I would be very happy to name might like to urgently consider the same procedure ? (in the interests of science)
https://vimeo.com/4935037
It also seems that Tesla as a bankrupt pigeon loving pauper might be something of a charade too! - kind regards Duncan

[dR-Green]

1/ Death certificate not available (apparently) was poor O'l NT bumped off ?

I know you aren't responsible for starting this one, but... Why? He was at the end of his life, not doing any scientific work. So what's the point? He wasn't dying fast enough so they thought they'd raise suspicion and bring attention to themselves by killing him even though he might have died of natural causes the next day anyway? I don't think government agencies are that incompetent.

Also, the free energy that Tesla spoke of was to use a river and other such natural sources to turn a turbine. Hardly worth getting killed over. School children are building such things. It's just a pity that no one recognises it and go off searching for magic instead.

There's no basis for Tesla getting killed, no one listens to him anyway.

the truth is always less exciting

Heh.

You would think that all Tesla mysteries would be solved by now considering how many experts are out there who know all about him Or is it they who create the mysteries

[Duncan]

- Just for the sake of argument the 'at the end of his life' might not have been his idea at all,even though of course he was getting pretty ripe at 86. Some wear 86 well and are still bright as a button .
Also it would seem that a possible 'might be' was the top floor of his hotel the new yorker was a fully equipped laboratory. After all WW2 was in progress and any tit bits Tesla might contribute to the effort would have been welcomed I dare say.
The fully equipped laboratory is stated as fact by Thomas Joseph Brown in the borderlands science documentary on NT along with much else not generally known regarding Nicky
https://vimeo.com/19577546
True or not ? I wouldn't know. Why Kill the guy? perhaps he'd decided to transmit information or publish, again I wouldn't know still all are possibilities with a guy who's work is intentionally covered in smoke and mirrors and enigma's .There's so much smoke and confusion around this guy and everything he touched it certainly has the stench of government agent interference about it. What's true and what isn't ? who knows but there's certainly plenty smoke

[Satyam108]

Recording and Replication

Satyam108,
Do you have a link to the J. Bedini recording ? Or could you pm it to me?

Can we build a version of a cigar box for discussion here. I'll be using li-ion batteries instead of nicads. I have an assortment of RS motors to use. Doubt J. Bedini had a modified Matt motor. Not sure the date Matthew Jones shared the modified motor but, sure it was after JB's cigar box.

Would be greatly appreciated,
wantomake

PM me your e-mail addy and I will send you the 100 meg file by We Transfer.

I have already made a 3BSTP with LiMn cells (not truly a battery as defined) but was using some old cordless drill motors - one for pulse motor (see attached for pulsing) turning the other as generator. The drill motors draw too much current, so I will redo it with a tiny permanent magnet motor and can probably fit it into a Cigar Box. I will post that as time allows (working on a BIG 3BSTP system with 5 (3 working, 2 resting) HEAVY 35 AH SLA batteries and have two used Razor motors now.)

By all means, please DO a Cigar Box replication as well and post your results here.

I'm hopeful that by rotating the batteries (in the Cigar Box) the way that JB specified - just once - that they will then reach the stasis/stability that Dave, Matt and Desa have found - and that the CB version will continue to run a long time as Dr. Lindemann said that John Bedini told him - that his Cigar Box unit ran for 6 months after the TCS in 84, until it was sabotaged.

For my larger version I'm designing Arduino UNO battery swapping control and also data logging of volts and amps across and into; the series batteries, the motor, the battery being charged, and across the negative rail between the series charging batteries and the battery being charged.

"Beer Me" Regards
Jim

[wantomake]

SG 1524 transistor

PM me your e-mail addy and I will send you the 100 meg file by We Transfer.

I have already made a 3BSTP with LiMn cells (not truly a battery as defined) but was using some old cordless drill motors - one for pulse motor (see attached for pulsing) turning the other as generator. The drill motors draw too much current, so I will redo it with a tiny permanent magnet motor and can probably fit it into a Cigar Box. I will post that as time allows (working on a BIG 3BSTP system with 5 (3 working, 2 resting) HEAVY 35 AH SLA batteries and have two used Razor motors now.)

By all means, please DO a Cigar Box replication as well and post your results here.

I'm hopeful that by rotating the batteries (in the Cigar Box) the way that JB specified - just once - that they will then reach the stasis/stability that Dave, Matt and Desa have found - and that the CB version will continue to run a long time as Dr. Lindemann said that John Bedini told him - that his Cigar Box unit ran for 6 months after the TCS in 84, until it was sabotaged.

For my larger version I'm designing Arduino UNO battery swapping control and also data logging of volts and amps across and into; the series batteries, the motor, the battery being charged, and across the negative rail between the series charging batteries and the battery being charged.

"Beer Me" Regards
Jim

Jim,
I sent you a pm.

I've assembled a small pack of 4 lithium-ion batteries with connections for a cigar sized(?) setup. I not sure how to balance the timing of the battery switching or the load of the motor. I'm guessing the only way to reach stasis/stability is testing and adjustments.

My larger 115 ah marine 4 battery setup is a little different. 2 primary, 1 charging and parallels the buffer battery connected to run a 1000 watt inverter. Also have a modified Matt motor moving a modified Matt motor generator.

I'm not trained to program an Arduino setup. J. Bedini cigar box schematic(good friend sent me) shows a SG 1524 transistor controlling the switching. Again above my pay grade. I'll build a rotating vertical pipe type switch similar to Joseph Newman build.

Will post any progress/pics as I can. Am I correct that the Tesla Switch was a fast switching apparatus when our 3BGS needs a slower "as charging is needed" switching?

wantomake

[Satyam108]

Mexican Switching - Manuel Labor

Jim,

I've assembled a small pack of 4 lithium-ion batteries with connections for a cigar sized(?) setup. I not sure how to balance the timing of the battery switching or the load of the motor. I'm guessing the only way to reach stasis/stability is testing and adjustments.

I'm not trained to program an Arduino setup. J. Bedini cigar box schematic(good friend sent me) shows a SG 1524 transistor controlling the switching. Again above my pay grade. I'll build a rotating vertical pipe type switch similar to Joseph Newman build.

wantomake

Hi wantomake,
I just sent you the audio file - sorry for the delay. Too much life gets in the way of living it....

On my Cigar Box replication, I plan to just do the battery rotation manually - keep an eye on the voltages. Will try it first of all as close to the reported original as possible - not even resting batteries. If I understand it correctly, and hopefully this will come out in the '84 recording, he just started with a dead battery in the "being charged" position, and two charged ones in series for running the motor and charging the dead battery. Then went 1 time thru the sequence shown here.


Again, if I understand the NetLore correctly, and trust what JB told PL - that it ran for 6 months after the Tesla Centennial demo - then I expect mine to do that as well. If it does or doesn't - either way I will learn something.

I'd be interested in the schematic you have with the transistor. Please post?

I'm only doing the Arduino control and data logging on the BIG unit I'm building. Part of Life and Living It today was about 90 minutes at coffee shop figuring out demultiplexer circuits to control the 30 MOSFETs it will take to rotate the batteries. 6 for each of 5 batteries. I will probably have to get another UNO to do the data logging. But they're cheap. LOTS of good sketches - the Arduino programs are called - are available in a variety of support groups and lone wolves. Today I got some Hall Effect current sensors to test to see if they will work in this setup.


Jim

[wantomake]

Life and shop time.

Jim,
Thanks for the audio. Tried to listen to some this morning over coffee. But life has needs too. My shop and forum time is limited every day. After retiring thought there would be more free time.


Will try to post that schematic this afternoon if possible.

Thanks for clear explanation of your cigar box experiments. That's much easier than my idea.

wantomake