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John Bedini 1984 Tesla Symposium Presentation on his Tesla Switch

John Bedini 1984 Tesla Symposium Presentation on his Tesla Switch

Hello Jim. In my next post following is a transcription of the second half of the audio file which contains John Bedini's demonstration and talk on his cigar box sized 'Tesla Switch', as John named it. The audio is pretty bad in many places, so I may have errors in my transcription. I indicated in the transcription where I didn't understand or wasn't too sure about what was said. I hope I don't have too many errors. Maybe some people can post corrections or help fill in parts that I couldn't understand, if they want. I am going to try to post the transcription in my next post because there is a 12,000 character limit per post, and I was over 12,000 characters with this comment and the transcription in the same post.

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John Bedini 1984 Tesla Symposium Presentation on his Tesla Switch

Starting at 32:21 in the audio recording:

John Bedini:
Ok, let's get into this box a little bit here.
What I want to do is take a scewdriver out and...
How many engineers do we have out there in the audience?
Can you raise your hands?

Come up here Eike.
<thump> <thump> {unintelligible comment away from the mic}
<thump> <thump> Hey if an amplifier can't take that, {that's about?} what happens... <laughing>
That's one hell of a DC pulse. Boom! <laughing> Yeah.

I'm going to have to take this thing apart in front of you all.
{unintelligible} Maybe I can get it on this {unintelligible}.
There you go. How's that?
Eike you can't... You can't bend this around because it's got a little antenna wire on it, but you can see what's in the box. It's {garbage?}
<Someone asks a question which is not intelligible.>

John Bedini:
{unintelligible}
{unintelligible}
<Some more voices way in the background>

John Bedini:
Yeah, you can see what's in the box, and what it amounts to here is a bunch of switches and...
<Some more voices in the background.>
<Some more thumps and John says something about the amplifier again.>
{unintelligible}
So what it amounts to is we've got a bunch of switching transistors here...
<More voices way in the background.>
And a {unintelligible}...
See these little {clamps?} over here, {unintelligible...}, {You get a spike?}.
That's very close to the way your nervous system works.

There's four battery banks here, if anyone has a schematic diagram.
Which is running around the {unintelligible}.
The real inventor of this circuit is Ronald Brandt, and he powered an electric car with it.
I'm not telling you to do that, but that's what he did with it.
I wanted to test the {Circuit? theory?}.
I wanted to see, does the {Circuit? theory?} work?
Does it produce the zero energy, because the measurements are going to tell me.

What I've got here is, I've got one, two, three, four, five, six transistors {unintelligible}.
{unintelligible}
I'm losing about two to three volts when I switch it.
{unintelligible} there's an excess of energy on the battery while the load is being driven, and no voltage appropriate to charge these batteries on this {these?} {unintelligible}.
What I'm going to do is get it into operation here.
I'm going to let Eike measure it and give you the readings.

These are nicads, I wouldn't suggest that you use nicad batteries if you build this circuit because I had a lot of problems {unintelligible}.
So what I've done is very conveniently limited the current on these nicads by these LEDs right here.
{unintelligible} You can see that these batteries are pulsing backwards and forwards.
In other words, what you've got is ten Volts on one side in a series condition, and five Volts on the other side in a parallel condition, okay?

Then you got a pulse width regulator in here {unintelligible} we can use the flip flop out of it...
to trigger these transistors through these transformers, so that the circuit goes backwards and forward between a series and parallel condition.
And we are pulling our power off the negative terminals.
Which does amount to zero {unintelligible} four {unintelligible}.

Now, do you see those LEDs are pretty bright, and they're on the verge of they wouldn't last too long.
Uh, you try to limit, when you try to build circuits with LEDs you try to keep it just under that so you don't burn them out.
But this thing just keeps {picking?} up {unintelligible} faster and faster and faster {unintelligible}.
That's why I {keep?} it {unintelligible}.

Okay, so what I want to do is take a measurement of the battery, and I'll have Eike do that.
{unintelligible, John said something to Eike}
{Unlike? I'm like?} all the engineers out there, you know, I like to build things, I like to find out what's really going on.
{unintelligible} I like to have the measurements, but when the measurements lie to me, I begin to question the measurements, and these measurements lie.

Because definitely you don't run motors, and you don't switch circuits, and have the batteries stay above what normally they are supposed to be rated at, which is five Volts.
Uh, Let me just {unintelligible} ...
What I'm going to do, ... I'm going {unintelligible} {quickly?} {because?} one bank is {unintelligible},
on one of the battery banks, to measure the voltage on the battery bank.
Okay, and then {unintelligible} ... what's going on here.

Under load, we're going to run the machine under load. {unintelligible}
{Mumbles something.}
A DC motor. A {unintelligible, slot car?} motor, okay? It draws an Amp, to a good two Amps.
Make no mistake about it. {unintelligible They'd burn up in a second?} if you were to put it on the battery bank.
{unintelligible}

Okay Eike, what are those nicad batteries sitting at right there...?
Eike: {unintelligible} three three Volts. [5.33V?]
Is that above the charge voltage? The battery banks are five Volts, normally.
These are Radio Shack batteries, so I know, I measured them many times.
They never go above, they're always below. <laughter>.
Thats why you get them for the price that you get them for. <laughing.>

Anybody can read that, they're sitting at five three three, the machine's off, okay?
We're going to turn the machine on, the machine is running.
Okay, the oscillator pulls about three tenths of an Amp.
The work that's being expended here is to charge both battery banks, and also charge the oscillator's battery bank, which is the red LED.

Does it keep going back up?
Eike: Yeah, five point three one, three two.
It's not going down though, right?
Eike: No.
In other words, not below five.
Eike: No. {unintelligible}
So, conveniently, what I want to do is take some power out of this thing, right?
Just to prove that this switching arrangement works, I'm going to put some kind of load on it.
Now we got a load on it, and it wants to climb a little bit upward, doesn't it Eike?
Eike: Yes, yes.

Okay, you see the pulse on the thing here?
The pulses aren't fast enough at this point in time to couple. Okay?
But they're going to couple now. And then we're going to put it in high gear and take the oscillator {out?} {up?}, and that thing is going to {unintelligible, take off?}.

Now you want to hear what's going into that motor? <Some noise is heard>
You gotta {unintelligible, play?}, Eike, what's in line here, a rectifier and capacitor, right?
Eike: Yeah.
You see there's no DC at that motor whatsoever, it's AC.
Eike says something: {unintelligible, You turn it around, you can hear it?}
And it just keeps right on going.
Now Eike, are the batteries going under five Volts under load?
Eike: No. Same {unintelligible}.
They're charging a little bit, huh?
Eike: Yes. <laughs>

Well, that's one demonstration you can make, to make that circuit, that might just change your way of thinking.
<Voice in the background, someone asking a question...>
Five point two seven.
Eike: That's right.
And holding.
Eike: Yep.
Not below five yet. We're just going to let it sit here.

Let's take it down a little bit so it has {unintelligible}.
{unintelligible, You just touch something around here, you can feel it?}
It's giving off quite a...
Okay, we'll just let it pulse down there Eike, and let it go for a little bit.
Is it going upward Eike, or down?
Eike: {unintelligible, Upward?}
It's in a charge {unintelligible, work?} condition right now, it's still running the motor.
Are the batteries going up or down?
Eike: Going up. Five three two.

That just goes to prove that you can't measure the zero energy.
It has to be coupled into something, and it has to exert an electromagnetic wave before you can convert it and send it back to the battery.
So it has to go through the load. It has to go into something where it can couple together.
At which point in time, it's going to charge the battery.
Because there's no way that you're going to charge... You don't have to hold that Eike...
There's no way that you're going to charge these nicad batteries through these two LEDs.
They're in line there just so I don't explode the batteries.

You can take this machine, and up at this level it's charging those batteries pretty good.
You see nicads do not like to take a fast charge, but they take a real slow charge like this.
If you pulse them real slow.

Now, what are the batteries doing Eike?
Eike: Stable still. Five three. Going up a little bit. Yeah.
And they will continue to go up, and continue to go up, and continue to go up, until they burst.
This is why the circuit must be made with a lead acid type battery, and preferably something like a gel cell.
The transformers are Radio Shack, a dollar a piece.
Switching regulator is a Signetics 3584 pulse width modulator.

Now, something very peculiar here.
What I want to do here Eike is show you what the charge across the batteries is, and that's why {unintelligible}, so you want to measure that?
Eike: Yeah.
Now see if we're really charging those batteries.
Could that definitely charge the battery?
Eike: Yes <laughing>
Huh?
Eike: Yeah.
But is it lower than the battery bank?
Eike: Yes, it's lower. Between three point seven Volts and four point one.
Now how do you charge a five Volt battery bank with three Volts?
Eike: <laughing>
Okay. You can't do it. There's no way you can do it.

Audience member: What kind of meter have you got?
<laughing>
{unintelligible}
It's a...
Audience member: Radio Shack
No, it's not a Radio Shack. <laughter>
It's a, uh, it's a Leader LDMA 55.

But you can see that the switching circuit is going nutty a little bit here, right Eike?
Eike: Yeah.
Okay, so now let's go over here Eike, and put the load on here over here, and let's measure and see if we got any AC out there. Through the rectifier.
Okay I'm on AC now. So what you want to do is
Audience member: Is it current?
Voltage. On the motor.
Eike: On the motor.
Eike: {unintelligible}

Now you can take the scale down this way, just by pushing the Range.
Eike: Okay.
So what have we got there Eike?
Eike: Point O two five Volts AC.
Now the motor runs on one and a half Volts.
So now we're going to turn this up a little bit. Now what have we got Eike?
Eike: Point one O five Volts {unintelligible, weird?} <laughing>

That's Radio Shack too. Don't buy those. <laughing>
There you go.

Okay now were going to put <weird noise> {unintelligible, the sound trailed off}
Okay now what have we got there Eike?
Eike: Point O seven.
Now, how can a one and a half volt motor run on that?
<someone in the audience must have asked a question>
Sure. Yep.
Well, we're right across the motor right now with the leads.
Okay we can go on the opposite side if you want.

We can go between the two negative terminals there {unintelligible}.
So what have we got going there Eike?
Eike: {unintelligible} Two point two three.
Two point two three loaded.
Now what happens if we take off the load.
Eike {Not clear but sounds like maybe 'three point two nine, three point three'}
Now, let's see what kind of DC we got out of there.
I like to do the measurements. <Laughing>
Eike: Three point four.
{unintelligible, sounds like maybe 'So, how can that be?'}

So anyway, build the circuit guys. It'll do exactly like this box.
It'll run the load, run the motor, and you'll watch the batteries charge while you do it.
And if you do it quick enough, the faster you go with this, the higher you go, the faster the battery will charge.
So make sure you got a pretty good size lead acid battery.
Otherwise, there's a possibility of an explosion.
And with that, thank you all for coming.
<Applause>

[Satyam108]

Good Work Level! Thanks!

Starting at 32:21 in the audio recording:

John Bedini:
Ok, let's get into this box a little bit here.
What I want to do is take a scewdriver out and...
How many engineers do we have out there in the audience?
Can you raise your hands?

Come up here Eike.
<thump> <thump> {unintelligible comment away from the mic}
<thump> <thump> Hey if an amplifier can't take that, {that's about?} what happens... <laughing>
That's one hell of a DC pulse. Boom! <laughing> Yeah.

Eike must be Eike Mueler, who visited John at his lab in LA after the Tesla Centennial and did what John recommended - building this "Tesla Switch" (Bedini has admitted that he has no idea how it came to be called that) with lead acid batteries. i have read Eike's account of that several times - first on John's Icehouse pages.

I wonder if Eike is still around? If anyone knows how to contact him? He could probably add a lot of clarification.

The other major thing this brings out is that what JB showed at TCS in Sept. '84 was NOT the 3BSTP pictured in the diagram at the top of this thread. So where did this 3BSTP thing start? I remember Peter L. writing that John made it to explain (firstly to himself, I'm sure) how and why the "Tesla Switch" (4 5 volt NiCd's?) works.

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Eike must be Eike Mueler, who visited John at his lab in LA after the Tesla Centennial and did what John recommended - building this "Tesla Switch" (Bedini has admitted that he has no idea how it came to be called that) with lead acid batteries. i have read Eike's account of that several times - first on John's Icehouse pages.

I wonder if Eike is still around? If anyone knows how to contact him? He could probably add a lot of clarification.

The other major thing this brings out is that what JB showed at TCS in Sept. '84 was NOT the 3BSTP pictured in the diagram at the top of this thread. So where did this 3BSTP thing start? I remember Peter L. writing that John made it to explain (firstly to himself, I'm sure) how and why the "Tesla Switch" (4 5 volt NiCd's?) works.

Hello Jim. Yes, Eike Mueller. Eike visited Bedini a short time after the 1984 Tesla Symposium and they did some further testing together with this type of arrangement. John Bedini has said he named this device the 'Tesla Switch' himself, because he said he thought it was based on Tesla's ideas. The three battery setup was just to explain the principle behind it. I think John Bedini said Ron Brandt was a friend of Jim Watson, so that is how Bedini made contact with Ron Brandt. Some people have said Ron Brandt was an associate of Tesla, but I believe Bedini said Ron Brandt was actually a friend of Jim Watson.

P.S.: Be aware that in the presentation John Bedini said the switching controller was a Signetics 3584, but elsewhere John has said it was an SG3524.

[Satyam108]

From Hollywood to Reality

this photo on JIMDO.com belies the photo still from the movie The Prestige, (see above) but I guess 3 lamps lit 1,000' from Tesla's Experimental Station wouldn't be prestigious enough for a movie about illusionists:



https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/colo...lab-1899-1900/

Someone needs to make a movie of Tesla's Lectures/Presentations at Columbia University, London, and Paris - EXPERIMENTS WITH ALTERNATE CURRENTS OF VERY HIGH FREQUENCY AND THEIR APPLICATION TO METHODS OF ARTIFICIAL ILLUMINATION where he lit bulbs (and I think powered motors?) with one wire, and lit bulbs across a heavy direct short.

THAT would be a great use of film. Tesla's speech at the London equivalent of IEEE is so high and brilliant.

[Satyam108]

more

Hello Jim. Yes, Eike Mueller. Eike visited Bedini a short time after the 1984 Tesla Symposium and they did some further testing together with this type of arrangement. John Bedini has said he named this device the 'Tesla Switch' himself, because he said he thought it was based on Tesla's ideas. The three battery setup was just to explain the principle behind it. I think John Bedini said Ron Brandt was a friend of Jim Watson, so that is how Bedini made contact with Ron Brandt. Some people have said Ron Brandt was an associate of Tesla, but I believe Bedini said Ron Brandt was actually a friend of Jim Watson.

here is an account - I think the first part written by Eike:
IceStuff.com: THE TESLA SWITCH from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org ,Geoff Egel

and various photos:
IceStuff.com: John Bedini ENERGY MACHINE PICTURES from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org ,Geoff Egel

more here with some of JB's original writings - tribute site:
John Bedini

Jim Watson was at the same Tesla Centennial Celebration/Symposium and demonstrated a big generating system. Toby Grotz told me that he visited Jim later at his home on Cripple Creek and that Jim hadn't been "disappeared" or sold out to big oil - that he had just decided to do other things with his life. Jim was apparently at another convention on alternative energy in Fort Collins, CO in the 90's. Jeane Manning was there as well.

On the '84 recording, someone else I sent the file to said that the first part of the presentation, JB is obviously referring to some slides that are being shown. It would be great to get those slides if they still exist. Anyone know JB's wife? Is her name Rhonda?

[Satyam108]

Split the Positive - Eyes on the Prize

I think we need to keep in mind that the important concept - whether NiCads, LiMn,or Lead Acid - is not the type and number of batteries so much as it is to Split the Positive.

Secondly to PULSE the current thru or out of the motor into the battery being charged.

Thanks again Level for the transcription work - probably took HOURS!


Jim

[Duncan]

A few of your questions answered including the 'Tesla' connection perhaps .Where did the Tesla switch originate ? My understanding is so --- The design and circuitry which John first saw came from Ronald Brandt (who he?) As you all know the whole area of free energy research is almost obliterated with smoke and mirrors and so I could easily be mistaken Sooo as I understand it Ronald Brandt demonstrated quite a lot of COP+1 machines in the 1970s and 80s . Some reading I'm sure have come across WITTS and its technical demonstrator Sir Timothy Thrapp research will show that Ronald Brandt was a forerunner to that position years ago.
many years prior to Ronald's association with WITTS it seems as a young man he worked as an assistant to non less a personage than Nicola Tesla . It is recorded that Ronald had an electric car that ran on the same principle as the cigar box operation you consider. The batteries energized a B52 starter motor which propelled the car.
Ronald visited John Bedini's workshop and during that visit drew a sketch of the original circuit and switching for John. The circuit was originally done with brushes and slip rings. The brush and slip ring version has been successfully recreated and if memory serves me correctly by GEC labs.
For some reason which John doesn't mention Mrs Bedini didn't much like Ronald in the home or workshop and that made the visit a bit uncomfortable.
Associated with this battery effect almost by accident if you like is EPDs voltage doubler which he talks about in that amazing lecture to radio Hams where he tells us - you turn the thing off and it just keeps running.
Video's -
Timothy Thrapp explaining who Ron Brandt was and the Tesla connection also the battery driven car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SYC-lc1730

Ronald Brandt giving a lecture on a motor some 25 years ago (if you'd like a taste of the guys work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2Mye85rFE

EPD classic lecture, The little bit on the switching batteries is 48 min - 50min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKggql3aYkc

That voltage doubler is gone into with some detail on another thread on this forum along with its circuit diagram - I haven't come across it yet ! It is after all the basic operating principle of this system I have tried this construct myself without much luck but that certainly doesn't mean anything much

[jettis]

Hey all,

I just scooped this image from a video tube user "Davy Oneness" video about John Bedini... It explains BEMF and the Spike are additive to each other, this is big news at least to me. Also I think John maybe referring to CEMF when he talks about BEMF in his rotor SG machines. Just so you know I am talking about CEMF, produced from rotored machines which is the counter force that opposes applied voltage, even though I use the term BEMF below. Sorry to confuse.

It is also very interesting when John shows splitting the positive, figure 7, in this diagram he compares it to the example of the in phase differential waveform of figure 6. Also notice the hand drawn scope shot showing the spike plus BEMF in figure 5. It can now be seen that when John mentions splitting the positive he can also be talking about BEMF and the Spike being additive and at a higher energy potential than the supply, or powering battery. Even in EFTV John shows Dave Clements the splitting the positive analogy and even the variablness in size of the wave forms that can be constructed using the splitting the positive scenerio. The Spike plus the BEMF is the key to the pulse driven SG machines ability to overpotentialize and charge the primary battery. The Beginners SG Handbook shows one pulse along one wire back to the primary battery, note there is no secondary battery at all, just a low voltage 9 volt battery powering the device.

All this is comparitive to how John, in unconventional fashion, viewed the typical DC generator waveform as talked about in the 1984 booklet that consisted of his 1984 motor / energizer. Now we can see the other half of the generator that John always said conventional electrical engineers left out of their generator designs. In the book Free Energy Generation how did John view the normal DC generator wave form? Was it the same way as figure 6 but with just the two opposing wave forms being equal in magnitude and in phase? Is the Bedini SG Energizer, in part, a conventional DC generator plus what today's electrical engineers have left out? Which is the ability to use BEMF + the Spike to get a higher potential than the applied voltage and to also float in and out of Lenz's law, so as to partially negate the law and its negative affects regarding power generation.

If the SG fires at 23 degrees or in between the north magnets or at the scalar south... Which is or can be all the same thing then we have limited, which is next to no drag on the SG rotored machine.

I realize there are two different waveforms on this page (typical SG figure 8) and (BEMF + Spike, negative pulse figure 5) but there are also these same two different waveforms on John's zero force motor video when he inserts and or removes the iron tube from the core of the coil...

The image is John Bedini's lab notes from 9/10/06

Dave Wing

[Duncan]

you certainly have my attention jettis Kind regards Duncan

[citfta]

Here is an old thread about the Tesla Switch. Several of us worked on that for quite a while. John Bedini also was active in that thread. He posted many times as we worked to get a working Tesla Switch going. Some of us had limited success. If you can get everything balanced just right it will run for a very long time before something changes and you start losing charge on the batteries. Matt Jones was a big contributor in that thread. He is still active and may be able to help if someone is actually wanting to try and build that circuit.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...t=tesla+switch

Carroll

[Duncan]

Level - I also started to wrestle with that recording and so I know what efforts you have gone to to transcribe it ! Well done, I am only so far into it and you've boshed it - I might just spend some time to try and tease a few more words out.
Hi Carroll I also have had a couple of attempts at this thing and got some pretty good run times but 'no cigar' (excuse the pun) Bedini himself tells us in a tape or paper somewhere that the things a bastard to tune . If what Jettis suspects is right thats understandable trying to hold waveforms on something as volatile as a battery seems a near impossible task to me.
still it also seems that the evidence indicates it has been acheived. The loose cannon again being the variables internal to a battery.

[clarence]

Schematics

@ ALL,

IT'S TIME FOR SOMETHING USEFUL!
RESPECTFULLY I SUBMIT THIS.

Clarence
(Ole Friend)

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Here is an old thread about the Tesla Switch. Several of us worked on that for quite a while. John Bedini also was active in that thread. He posted many times as we worked to get a working Tesla Switch going. Some of us had limited success. If you can get everything balanced just right it will run for a very long time before something changes and you start losing charge on the batteries. Matt Jones was a big contributor in that thread. He is still active and may be able to help if someone is actually wanting to try and build that circuit.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...t=tesla+switch

Carroll

Thanks for that link and for the recap citfta. I will go through and review the thread.

[wantomake]

@ ALL,

IT'S TIME FOR SOMETHING USEFUL!
RESPECTFULLY I SUBMIT THIS.

Clarence
(Ole Friend)

Thanks Ole friend,
I'm referring only to the right side schematic.

Is this a circuit that places the two battery set on the right in parallel, and the left two batteries in series. Then connects FWBR to negative side of the four?

Then reversed the positions with two batteries on left in parallel, with two right battery set in series, with the FWBR connected to negative side of the four? Also noticed the positives of the parallel and series are connected. (?)


Help me out here I'm still learning. Then isn't this different from the 3BSTP that we've all been testing.

To All,
Thanks for your patience, I just want to understand this circuit which I drew out on paper to get better view.

wantomake