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WOW, Level, thanks for the photos! XLNT! Just today I received a copy of the original circuit from Toby Grotz - who organized and co-chaired the 1984 Tesla Centennial Celebration. I will post that later.
Here's the link you wanted:
http://panaceatech.org/Tesla%20Switch.pdf
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Yes, that is the original schematic alright. There is at least one error in that original schematic, possibly more than one error. John Bedini later corrected the errors. The switching controller chip is labelled wrong. It should have been labelled SG3524. That same schematic is also in the PDF called "Experiments With a Kromrey & a Bandt-Tesla Converter Built By John Bedini" by Eike Mueller.

Thanks very much for the link!. Yes, some conflicting info on the history of the Tesla Switch.

[Aaron]

small loads

Hello Aaron. Thanks for that. That's interesting. Yes, a PIC or Arduino microcontroller would give you a lot more flexibility and control for doing all the switching, especially if you want to include rotating batteries in and out to give batteries a rest period.

LEDs consume only a small amount of power, and large AH rated batteries can power a few of them for a long time without dropping in voltage much, so I think it would probably be better if tests are done using some sort of load of at least a few Watts to test with. It really depends on the AH rating of the batteries you are testing with however. Choose something that will put some real load on the batteries that is in reasonable proportion to the AH rating of the batteries when testing, if you want see if the batteries can really stay charged up under load. It sounds like from past testing by a few people here that no one was able to keep the batteries from running down. Of course the smaller the load you have connected to the Tesla Switch the longer the batteries should maintain a charge, so I think to reasonably evaluate tests a person really needs to know the AH rating of the batteries used and the measured power consumption of the load in Watts that was being powered by the Tesla Switch. Without both of those pieces of info it's really hard to judge how well a Tesla Switch setup was performing, unless the Tesla Switch keeps the batteries fully charged up indefinitely while powering a reasonable load. If you are only pulsing current through a load at a very low frequency, then the load's power consumption will of course be less than when powered steady with pure DC.

As many people probably already know, you have to be careful with the new LED light bulbs because they often have a big Wattage rating listed on their packaging which is not the actual power consumption of the LED bulb, but the supposed equivalent Wattage power consumption for the same brightness that an old style bulb would consume. IMO, the best thing is to first connect your load you are going to use in your testing to a battery and measure the current it consumes when connected to a fully charged battery of the appropriate voltage for the load. That way you can see how much power the load really consumes when being powered at a specific voltage.

There's the "Tesla Switch" and the 3 battery system with a resting battery. I think he wanted to do both with small pic chip circuits. The batteries he was going to use I believe are the 3.2v lithium iron phosphates that are common in solar yard lights.

He was never into digital but did start teaching himself pic chip programming to blink different colored LED lights on cubes, etc. in different sequences, patterns and so on.

So anyway, running banks of LEDs on those batteries were appropriate loads. The 18500 type battery is 600mAh. I'm not sure if the ratings for those are based on a 20 hour discharge but if so, then the 20 hour load is around 2 watts.

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So anyway, running banks of LEDs on those batteries were appropriate loads. The 18500 type battery is 600mAh. I'm not sure if the ratings for those are based on a 20 hour discharge but if so, then the 20 hour load is around 2 watts.

Hello Aaron. Yes, I was speaking in general when I mentioned about using LEDs as loads. If you connect together a whole bank of LEDs or use a big commercial LED 'bulb' it may be a suitable load depending on the AH ratings for the batteries you are using. However, a typical single LED might only consume a few mW to glow very brightly was what I was referring to, so just a few LEDs is not much of a load. Some of the 12V LED 'bulbs' you can get these days can consume several Watts. If you are going to use big high capacity lead-acid car batteries or similar, then you are probably going to want a more significant load to test with.

[Satyam108]

Shirley, You Can't Be Serious

This all so funny. Go back and read "Use for the Tesla Switch"

Its huge and so many people contributed to it. There is a plethora of information and results. To watch a new group of people hash these things over is just hilarious. Course most of you are the new kinda researchers back then we actually built the thing before talking about it. Or built it while talking about it. LOL

There is no magic to it, it called math. By switching back and forth rapidly you build up a capacitive load on the plates of the battery and that load can then resonate. The largest problem being is the plates change so the value of the capacitance changes with them. This is not measurable and you have to be able to adjust on the fly to maintain a resonant state. Think Variable RLC resonants. Its hard but not impossible. But first you should be aware and able to create a simple resonant circuit, then be able to do that with a variable power supply like a battery, that changes voltage constantly, then you can start looking at this behavior from 4 batteries switching. Best results come at 700 - 900 hz.

But if you don't have the foundation correct your only going to see 4 batteries drop in power as if they were all wired up in parallel. And even if you manage to not burn up the system.

Diode protected mosfets will not get you there. IGBT's with no bypass diode exsit but are hard to find at a reasonable price. SSR's exist but rarely go faster than 500 hz.

I have had several run for many days without denting the initial voltage levels of the battery. I have never seen one not run down sooner or later.

I don't know why I waist my time ya'll won't build anything, your the new kinda researchers. LOL

Matt

By all means, don't waste any more of your time with us NeoResearchers

The 4,260 posts of that thread should keep us all busy neither building nor posting, and/or have us wander off dazed, confused and discouraged. And as you stated:

I have never seen one not run down sooner or later.

so what's the point?


On GoToLuc's "Continuing Tests" thread here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/306041-post156.html
He linked the SSR he was using to pulse an off the shelf Razor Scooter motor [Unite Motors out of China] here:
SSR30A Solid-State Relay ? Tesla Energy Solutions LLC
with these specs

30 amps
6 ns Switching Speed
0 to 2 MHz input frequency
25 ns minimum pulse width
Power and signal inputs isolated from sources.
Easy replacement of IGBTs (NO Resoldering Necessary!)

You state that "best results come at 700-900 Hz." So it looks like that would handle it.

Assuming the mantle of spokesperson for the NeoResearchers and paraphrasing The Clash, "Should we stay or should we go?" Should we read or should we build? If the latter WHAT would you have us build? A 4 battery Tesla Switch that will inevitably exhaust the batteries? [Kill them as Rick Friedrich claims.] What do you want Matt? What would make you happy?

LOL indeed!
Peace
Jim

[Satyam108]

Slides

Not that this really adds anything, but before the 2016 conference, if John had time, he was planning on demonstrating this with a high frequency version controlled with a pic chip. He only had time to present on the RPX.

It would have had the full rotation and it would have lit LEDs.

He was still excited about this project.

Hi Aaron,
Several people have said that in the first half hour of the audio from JB's '84 presentation at the TCS, that it sounds like he is explaining some slides he is showing. Do you suppose that those slides might still exist and that John's widow might have them?

I haven't heard back from two people yet who said they might be able to boost and clean up that audio.
Thanks

Jim

[bistander]

Huh

I don't want this thread to veer off into Leedskalnin and his unipole "magnets" (a good probability that they comprise Aether, imho) but maybe this video will change your view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832qz3s1M-s


Jim

Hi Jim,

I'm OK with letting this sidetrack die here but I see nothing in that vid which is inconsistent with what I said. It's just residual magnetism or sometimes called retentivity. Look it up. Along with Faraday's Law, it explains everything you see and has nothing to do with perpetual motion.

bi

[Matthew Jones]

By all means, don't waste any more of your time with us NeoResearchers

The 4,260 posts of that thread should keep us all busy neither building nor posting, and/or have us wander off dazed, confused and discouraged. And as you stated:

I have never seen one not run down sooner or later.

so what's the point?


On GoToLuc's "Continuing Tests" thread here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/306041-post156.html
He linked the SSR he was using to pulse an off the shelf Razor Scooter motor [Unite Motors out of China] here:
SSR30A Solid-State Relay ? Tesla Energy Solutions LLC
with these specs

30 amps
6 ns Switching Speed
0 to 2 MHz input frequency
25 ns minimum pulse width
Power and signal inputs isolated from sources.
Easy replacement of IGBTs (NO Resoldering Necessary!)

You state that "best results come at 700-900 Hz." So it looks like that would handle it.

Assuming the mantle of spokesperson for the NeoResearchers and paraphrasing The Clash, "Should we stay or should we go?" Should we read or should we build? If the latter WHAT would you have us build? A 4 battery Tesla Switch that will inevitably exhaust the batteries? [Kill them as Rick Friedrich claims.] What do you want Matt? What would make you happy?

LOL indeed!
Peace
Jim

I am sure you can afford 10 of those to run a setup. The last one I built with high speed switching ran a few days past 9 months without any input running a 500 watt load.
There are several people building different setups and I hope to be able to support them with information they need to progress. But they are actually building, and trying to learn on there own. Talk is cheap. Like I said there is already a bunch of info out there. Take it or leave it.
You can pay attention to anyone you want including the thief, liar and hypocrite Rick what ever the F*ck his last name is my batteries still work.

Do what ever you want. I'll continue to help the ones that help themselves.

Matt

[Duncan]

Hi Jim - Mmmm audio that would be me ! I kinda stuck it on the back burner . (cos its hard) Most of the tape has been transcribed elsewhere I'm glad to say . I cut the audio into 5 bite sized sections and have been slowly trying to clean them up . here's the introduction , part one and two . I suspect John was wearing a battery transmitting pack with batteries that were fast failing. should have conditioned the bloody things
Just an aside and into EL and the PMH for a moment - according to magnetic current and so in practice it should be made from very soft iron and certainly not steel . soft iron because it has a very high magnetic permeability and so an extremely steep B/H curve . Its only just bettered by classic materials such as Stalloy. The point being there is no residual magnetism . (or at least only a very tiny amount) residual magnetism in my experience (and certainly meaning no insult) is the straw folks clutch at who haven't studied the man and his book . The same effect in a different way can be seen here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5q47JJJAww
It is used to effect by others (like Hatem for instance). as for the audio with apologies for being tardy Jim here at least are the first bits . bearing in mind I can't make a silk purse from a sows ear
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b7/Bed...troduction.mp3

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b7/John's first part.mp3

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b7/John's second part.mp3

[Duncan]

PS - I've been emailed regarding sows ear its an 'ye olde English axiom' -
Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear | Define Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear at Dictionary.com
a modern (if cruder) equivalent is ' you can't polish a turd'
kindest regards Duncan

[Aaron]

Bedini slides

Hi Aaron,
Several people have said that in the first half hour of the audio from JB's '84 presentation at the TCS, that it sounds like he is explaining some slides he is showing. Do you suppose that those slides might still exist and that John's widow might have them?

I haven't heard back from two people yet who said they might be able to boost and clean up that audio.
Thanks

Jim

Jim,

It is possible those slides exist but I can guarantee Ronda does not know where they are. Actually, the best bet is if Tom Bearden's notes on Bedini's work and all their correspondence is published at some point.

Do you have a link to the audio? I can boost it and clean it up a bit. EDIT - I see the audio links from Duncan.

I can also see if I have copies of the schematic and PCB layout for John's circuit on this.

[Aaron]

misinformation

You can pay attention to anyone you want including the thief, liar and hypocrite Rick what ever the F*ck his last name is my batteries still work.

Ditto to that, Rick should be in jail - he is a straight up criminal that stole virtually everything he knows or has from John and he still doesn't understand any of it very well. He is a sociopathic con artist. He waits until John and Gary die to start a slander campaign against them. He is a gutless coward.

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Tom Bearden just died a few days ago I learned.

That is very sad news.

[Duncan]

Oh that it was just a boost the Audio Aaron . I've converted to MP3 just so folks can hear it 'as is' its still 40 odd Meg still if your Internet's pretty rapid have a listen to whats making us struggle by all means
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b7/The whole tape.mp3
As for Rick wot sit I dare say his Mommy likes him ?
kind regards D

[Matthew Jones]

Ditto to that, Rick should be in jail - he is a straight up criminal that stole virtually everything he knows or has from John and he still doesn't understand any of it very well. He is a sociopathic con artist. He waits until John and Gary die to start a slander campaign against them. He is a gutless coward.

I think the only thing he understood was how to steal in some one else's name. I have been contact to set up machines sold by rick, like the ten coiler that people paid big money for and they never showed up, cause that piece crap kept the money. He didn't send the kits out because he owed money to the machinist that made the kits. I can't remember machinist name. Anyway it was bumber to see it happen over and over again. Now to see him act like he's some kinda expert, and worse yet these dumb ass people who look to him as some kinda expert guru or some crap. Sociopathic con artist is the best description I know for that guy. Anybody who pays attention to that peice of garbage deserves what they get. Probably nothing!

I hate to hear that about Bearden.

Matt

[Duncan]

also sad to hear about Tom B articulate and interesting here is just a 6 min snippet of Tom in full flood as a Teacher from a good few years ago - The stupidest circuit -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73rghTkRMU0 goodbye Tom