"Your Basic Coil" As per Tesla

[BroMikey]

I would like to do the honor's in behalf of Turion and others who
near exhausted themselves giving away all of their hard work in
experimental form. To consolidate information about coils and how
they might be connected.

I will be back after everyone goes home. A special Thanks goes out to
Matt Jones who has freely given away much experimental data.

God Bless you All. BRB







Turion (Dave) QUOTE BELOW:::


Wind enough coils and experiment, and you will accumulate enough data
to understand as well as Tesla did. I attempted a while back to start a
thread dedicated to this entitled "Your Basic Coil" . I wanted to try and
get a bunch of folks to work together on this, but was jumped on
by naysayers who said it couldn't be done, and I got tired of arguing
with them and gave it up.

As I have said before, ANY COIL will perform as Tesla indicated at the
correct frequency. The trick is managing the variables.
Circumference of the rotor.

Number of magnets on the rotor RPM of the rotor
Core material of the coil
Number of wires on the coil
Length of wires on the coil.

I have six different coil configurations that will speed up under load.
It has given me lots of data to make some intelligent assumptions.
I quit investigating this when I got to the place where the coil I
WANTED to use for my generator project was doing what I wanted
it to do. I have freely SHARED that information on this forum so that
others could replicate and get the same results. Only a very FEW
have even bothered. I guess it's not important enough.

[BroMikey]

[wantomake]

Good idea

Hey Brodude,
Most are on vacation I'm sure.

I took Dave's advice on the coil replication. I'm still trying to find the ferrite to make coil cores. My experiments are few with multi-filar coils. I've tried bi and trifilar coils all the way up to 18 strand coil. What amazed me is the capacitive charge the 12 and 18 strand coils hold for long time after the rotor stops.

This is very important in the upright generator build.

Good thread idea.
Edit: Everyone interested in coil production should learn how to connect in series, in parallel, and series parallel.
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Hey Brodude,
Most are on vacation I'm sure.


Good thread idea.
Edit: Everyone interested in coil production should learn how to connect in series, in parallel, and series parallel.
wantomake

Glad you like it.

First let's refresh a little on induction standards even if this is
all dealing with false currents.






https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/inductor/inductance.html


Inductors do this by generating a self-induced emf within itself as a result of their changing magnetic field. In an electrical circuit, when the emf is induced in the same circuit in which the current is changing this effect is called Self-induction, ( L ) but it is sometimes commonly called back-emf as its polarity is in the opposite direction to the applied voltage.

When the emf is induced into an adjacent component situated within the same magnetic field, the emf is said to be induced by Mutual-induction, ( M ) and mutual induction is the basic operating principal of transformers, motors, relays etc. Self inductance is a special case of mutual inductance, and because it is produced within a single isolated circuit we generally call self-inductance simply, Inductance.

The basic unit of measurement for inductance is called the Henry, ( H ) after Joseph Henry, but it also has the units of Webers per Ampere ( 1 H = 1 Wb/A ).

Lenz’s Law tells us that an induced emf generates a current in a direction which opposes the change in flux which caused the emf in the first place, the principal of action and reaction. Then we can accurately define Inductance as being: “a coil will have an inductance value of one Henry when an emf of one volt is induced in the coil were the current flowing through the said coil changes at a rate of one ampere/second”.

In other words, a coil has an inductance, ( L ) of one Henry, ( 1H ) when the current flowing through the coil changes at a rate of one ampere/second, ( A/s ). This change induces a voltage of one volt, ( VL ) in it. Thus the mathematical representation of the rate of change of current through a wound coil per unit time is given as:

[BroMikey]

What is self Inductance and what does it mean when coils have none?


https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/joseph-henry-project/joseph-henry/self-inductance/


Self Inductance

In 1832 Joseph Henry published his findings on the phenomenon of induced currents of a conductor on itself, later termed "self inductance," and presented it to be published in the October edition of the American Journal of Science (AJS). In the article, he explored phenomena where sparks were produced when a circuit of wire driven by a galvanic cell was interrupted or broken.

"When a small battery is moderately excited by diluted acid, and its poles, terminated by cups of mercury, are connected by a copper wire not more than a foot in length, no spark is perceived when the connection is either formed or broken; but if a wire thirty or forty feet long be used instead of the short wire, though no spark will be perceptible when the connection is made, yet when it is broken by drawing one end of the wire from its cup of mercury, a vivid spark is produced. If the action of the battery be very intense, a spark will be given by a short wire; in this case it is only necessary to wait a few minutes until the action partially subsides, or no more sparks are given; if the long wire be now substituted, a spark will again be obtained. The effect appears somewhat increased by coiling the wire into a helix; it seems also to depend in some measure on the length and thickness of the wire. I can account for these phenomena only by supposing the long wire to become charged with electricity, which, by its reaction on itself, projects a spark when the connection is broken." - (1)

The self inductance of a material is the response of a material to the changing magnetic field caused by either the interruption or resumption of electron flow within the conductor. The strength of this property is dependent upon various factors such as the resistance and arrangement of the conductor. He qualitatively determined the relative magnitudes of this newly discovered property in his later experiments by subjecting himself to the electric shocks as described:

"A handle of thick copper was soldered on each end of the large spiral at right angles to the ribbon, similar to those attached to the wires in Pixii's magneto-electric machine for giving shocks. When one of these was grasped by each hand and the contact broken, a shock was received which was felt at the elbows, and this was repeated as often as the contact was broken." - (2)

Using this method of measurement Joseph Henry discovered that uniformly coiled copper wire exhibits a stronger self inductance than straight wire of the same total length. Joseph Henry used numerous copper helices of varying lengths and thicknesses as described here.

[BroMikey]

It takes years of study and winding to get answers so remember
that Joe Henry had some books to look at. I have always loved to
read text books.

Questions, Question Questions, I'm the same way. Required reading
for every school boy or you could wind one up and think later.

https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/joseph-henry-project/induction-coils/Induction_Coils.pdf


https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/joseph-henry-project/joseph-henry/copper-ribbon/#comp00004fdf91120000014c8213f7


https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/joseph-henry-project/induction-coils/


https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/joseph-henry-project/solenoid/


https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/joseph-henry-project/transformer/The_Alternate_Current_Transformer_in_The.pdf

[BroMikey]

He was able to achieve SUUL (speed up under load) at about 2,000 rpm according to my memory (which isn't that great, but he can verify.)

So our setup is the same EXCEPT for our coils. My coil, which is the same bobbin as his, with the same core and the same 2400 feet of #23 wire on it requires 2,800 rpm to achieve SUUL. Why does my coil require 800 rpm MORE? Is he better looking than me? Is he cheating?

My coil has 3 strands each 800 feet long. His coil has 12 strands each 200 feet long with 3 groups of four wires. The four wires within the group are connected in series. Wires in parallel connected in series (as Tesla states) give you more capacitance, and lower the frequency (or rpm) needed to achieve SUUL.

From the outside both coils appear to have 3 wires in parallel coming off them, but the reality is much different, as are the results.

Could his coil achieve SUUL at an even LOWER rpm? Certainly. Wire two groups of six strands in series, or better yet, wire all 12 strands in series.

But remember, the LONGER the wire, the more voltage. The more wires in parallel, the more AMPS. It is all about coil design and what you are trying to achieve.



That's about all you are going to get from me on the subject. My philosophy is that if you don't build it yourself, you get exactly what you deserve.

Yes i think folks will work just as hard as you and I at something, not all
teachers of course even tho the govt run schools and state offices are
about the only thing left with the jobs for actual building something have
all gone over seas. It's a shame isn't it, a nation of instructors and govt
over lords, students with a $50,000 college bill living in the basement at
mom's house.

Times sure have changes since we were kids. Back then you didn't have to
send your wife out into the cesspool of lustful men and she could be a
stay at home mom teaching her children to be respectable. Forget that
now-a-days, it ain't those days anymore. You'll go belly up without
3,4,5 incomes. And since it takes so much to get two nickels to
rub together to do research who is left? Especially with no time after
the third job?

The 3 strands of 800 feet are just not as good as 12 strands of 200'
great comparison. I will continue to comb the old threads to see if
I can compile more data for here.

Here is my take on giving away free un-worked for secrets. They wouldn't
have no clue what to do with them anyway or know what it's for. Our
nation has been dumbed down so badly that if folks can't find it in a book
from teacher with a plug and play format, they are lost.

We are among the last of our breed. People drink bad water and get
neuro damage thru vaccines, chem-trail poisoning and more coupled
with a party time/miller time addictive scheduled,
I don't see there being big numbers doing advanced research on stuff
they can't wrap their heads around. All those burnt brain cells? Yeah.

Eventually even the best minds fail. What is left over are retired persons
who have the time and money after working for 40 years to get ahead.

We are few in number and as I have stated before, it is suppose to be
this way, lonely at the top.

Thanks for the nice reply full of hard data.
I'll try not to pester you to much

[wantomake]

Special moment

Here's some basic info for you all. I have said this MANY times. EVERY COIL will speed up under load at the correct frequency. If it doesn't speed up under load, the RPM isn't high enough, or one of the other variables I have talked about is out of whack.

If I am not mistaken, Wantomake has a coil on his machine that has 2400 feet of #23 wire on it. He is using the same size rotor as I am with the same size magnets, the same number of magnets on the rotor and spaced the same distance apart.

He was able to achieve SUUL (speed up under load) at about 2,000 rpm according to my memory (which isn't that great, but he can verify.)

So our setup is the same EXCEPT for our coils. My coil, which is the same bobbin as his, with the same core and the same 2400 feet of #23 wire on it requires 2,800 rpm to achieve SUUL. Why does my coil require 800 rpm MORE? Is he better looking than me? Is he cheating?

My coil has 3 strands each 800 feet long. His coil has 12 strands each 200 feet long with 3 groups of four wires. The four wires within the group are connected in series. Wires in parallel connected in series (as Tesla states) give you more capacitance, and lower the frequency (or rpm) needed to achieve SUUL.

From the outside both coils appear to have 3 wires in parallel coming off them, but the reality is much different, as are the results.

Could his coil achieve SUUL at an even LOWER rpm? Certainly. Wire two groups of six strands in series, or better yet, wire all 12 strands in series.

But remember, the LONGER the wire, the more voltage. The more wires in parallel, the more AMPS. It is all about coil design and what you are trying to achieve.

I told Wantomake to use 12 strands because 24 is divisible by 1,2,3,4 and12. That gives you FIVE possible combinations of wires in series and parallel to experiment with.

24 strands gives you one more option since it is also divisible by 8. (5 total options)
30 is divisible by 5, 10, and 15, but not by 8 or 12 (7 total options)

More than that, the number of strands is almost unworkable unless you have a pro coil winding machine. But you get the idea. You WANT options. I thought 12 strands was a good number for people to experiment with, and if you have to put all the strands in series to get SUUL, at least you can DO it.

If you start with 12 strands in series on a bobbin with 2400 feet of #23, and it does not speed up under load, you have a problem. Your motor is just too SLOW. Once you have seen SUUL, you can start reducing the length of the strands by running more strands in parallel.

That's about all you are going to get from me on the subject. My philosophy is that if you don't build it yourself, you get exactly what you deserve.

Well I'll never be more handsome than another. Do they make a pro coil winding machine?

The moment I witnessed SUUL another moment of FE wonder was imprinted on my life. Not that it matters but, I followed the instructions Dave sent me to wind my coils. 12 strands 253 feet each(3036ft) with 4 series connected in parallel and 3 connection wires at each end. Around 2000 rpm it did indeed suul but most importantly the amp draw decreased slightly. The decreased amp draw isn't enough to record or video. The prime mover/generator is loud so my video audio is worthless.

Winding the coils is the hardest part.
Alberto is monsooning all over my back yard. Time to nuke the coffee.
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Testing with and extra motor is what I do also. SUUL load was reached
right away on my first coil but because I used 29awg there wasn't many
amps which represent pushing power so it was hard to measure.

170 foot strands were connected in series of 8 strands cause no drag
down to the rotor and as I went up to 12 strands to 18 strands the
machine would run while rpm's. Still have not bought a laser rpm tool.

I now have a spool of 25awg wire for this small set up which is better
amp handling than 29awg. With the really fine wire (29awg) I am easily
producing a static voltage of 500 - 1000vac at 8-18strands.

I have not measured exactly rmp's but it does sound like and increase
of over 500 rpm's when the coil is generating with the drive motor
current dropping off 20 percent. The motor runs 3000rpm's normally.

it's all good fun.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi mike, thanks for starting thread and sharing information and your feelings.
I'm making a test with an oscillator using the N. Tesla bifilar coil method.

I feel your pain mike, though as I'm sure you know, our bodies are in this world, though we are not of this world, well some of us are not of this world.
And to be truthful with you, the ones that are of this world, are the main ones cooking up all these fake problems.
We have all the solutions and ways of doing things to make life a piece of cake for everyone, though for whatever the reasons, certain ones seem to be operating from a script at this time, to do the opposite.
All things shall pass.
peace love light my brothers and sisters

[BroMikey]

Hi all, Hi mike, thanks for starting thread and sharing information and your feelings.
I'm making a test with an oscillator using the N. Tesla bifilar coil method.

I feel your pain mike, though as I'm sure you know, our bodies are in this world, though we are not of this world, well some of us are not of this world.
And to be truthful with you, the ones that are of this world, are the main ones cooking up all these fake problems.
We have all the solutions and ways of doing things to make life a piece of cake for everyone, though for whatever the reasons, certain ones seem to be operating from a script at this time, to do the opposite.
All things shall pass.
peace love light my brothers and sisters

Well let's hope for a more meaningful input from the science guys out
here. Tesla was gifted and never based his work on philosophical
viewpoints yet had a great personality that we can not attribute to
good upbringing. Tesla was demonized by the goodie goodies, well
they really weren't but the news media painted themselves as
all knowing good boys(By what standard?) and made Tesla out to be
a freak. In fact just this weekend I met with members of the older
generation in the family and asked them about Tesla.

They all said he was full of demons and when I told them that Tesla's
demons produced the electric appilances we all use today they didn't
have an answer. Humm........... see it's because the business
run media is in bed with organized relig.... and THEY use THEIR power
of lies to control the minds of the masses.

And knowing that causes everyone to rebel. Rebelling against lies
is a good thing. People have given up on what they believe, especially
that trash coming out of the 1 eyed Cyclops.

What I say is that we need not stay in confusion by trying or
experimenting. Let us know about your coil circuits and how they
operate that fascinates you. Coils that generate AC power that at
the proper frequency where inductive reactance give a null or assists
the armature.

I was shocked at how people in the family of good up standing folks
looked at Tesla's gift. How blind are the people? How blinded are their
minds from looking at MSM?

We have to do better gentlemen, and I am expecting it.

[wantomake]

Wantomake is right. I did tell him 12 strands at 253 feet each. That’s what I calculated would fill up that particular bobbin to FULL. A full bobbin would give the MOST output.

Originally I just wound the coil with three strands of #23 until it was full. That was three strands, just over 1000 feet each. Actually about 1012. But the voltage output was higher than I wanted. I wanted between 120-130 AC. So I reduced the length of strands to 800 to lower the voltage to that range. I needed to maintain the rpm to get SUUL, so decreasing length was another way of bringing the voltage down.

I told Wantomake 253 feet because 250 was about right, plus 18” on each end to connect up to things. That would give him a FULL bobbin and max voltage and amps for his setup. From there you change wire connections to decrease voltage and increase amps.

My machine runs at around 3000 rpm, so my voltage output is higher than Wantomake who is running at 2000.

Why the difference in rpm? He is using an MY1016 modified Matt motor (I believe...again, he can verify) and I am using an unmodified MY1020 razor scooter motor.

You may wonder WHY, after all the bragging about the Matt motor, I am not running my system with it. Because I have been working for a long time now to figure out a way to run 12 coils on this generator. Wantomake can tell you that with just ONE coil he is drawing 10 amps. TWO coils draws enough amps to damage the motor. I burnt up probably ten MY1016 motors and three MY1020 motors before I figured out how to eliminate the magnetic lock. It’s bad enough to burn up ten motors at $30.00 each and three at $80.00 each without having taken ALL THAT TIME to rewind them as Matt motors and THEN burn them up. So in this testing phase I have been using stock motors, ever since I burnt up the FIRST one which WAS a modified motor I spent a LOT of time on to get all balanced and running perfectly. I have also NOT been running it on the 3 Battery system with battery rotation. I am using as SIMPLE a system as I can for all my testing of the generator.

Yes you are right. I'm using the modified Matt motor my1016 size. With just the one coil at 2000 rpms it does heat up over a few minutes run. That's why I remain with one coil. Trying to not burn up motors.

Yes the 12 strands at 253 feet filled the spool to the top. Also left 18-24 inches on the leads for connecting purposes. After the coil was corrected the output was 130-160 volts ac. But for the SUUL test the coil ran through a fwbr with a 300 volt capacitor across it.

After seeing and proving to myself the SUUL, the entire generator has been taken apart and is being redesigned.

wantomake

[BroMikey]

Turion said a while back well quite a long time ago that iron welding
rods withe black sand is the way to make cores or that he makes
cores that way. He said transformer iron cores would get hot.

I think wanto..... has these Turion type cores from what I remember and
still heat is a problem? Is that right? Still got heat issues? Humm
I'll have to go back and see what's up with that.

I know Thane uses Permalloy film cores and we need to keep in mind
that Permalloy film comes is ratings all across the board. The idea of
selecting a proper core material is to use something that will respond
to a higher frequency than 60hz. There are cores and core materials
available for aircraft in the 400hz range that might be better suited for
these generator heads so heat is not being wasted due to friction.

Duty cycle will play a part as well as other factors when considerations
are being made. The space between the magnets will show us the
characteristics of the wave form. Large magnets with little space
between them make the pulsing intervals a greater dutycycle as high
as 75% duty. Large gaps between magnets that are very small
could offer a dutycycle as low as 20%.

70% duty cycle and up is forcing the issue and heat could be used
as a gauge to find the right material. Dave has talked about a piece
a tubing where welding rods doped with blacksand/epoxy then at the
end pounding a few more rods into the pipe to make it very tight.

If heat is still a problem new rods or maybe smaller rods of the right
soft iron should be experimented with. Beyond that I would say that
Permalloy films are a much more controlled substrate over random
mixtures of iron rods Vs. black sand packed tubes when sand wetness
will vary and thus alter the value of each core.

I can see that generator heads need to output as much as possible
without waste to make a cost effective build for practical use.




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[BroMikey]

I regards to Turion's recent story about his so called friend of a friend..
The so called friend is like so many, they only look up to people
who burn up amps like the school book EE is taught. Any teacher
will tell you in science class that all the answers are predetermined
ones and the only scientific method permitted in universities is the
one the books printed by Govt agencies say it is.

There is no love for limitless energy projects as high level intellectuals
are so mind warps that they can not go beyond what teacher says.
Men are no longer men at this point, told what they can think, often
very effeminate in their mannerisms a sort of socially castrated fellow.

He can't help it, he was raised by his mom and she paid for the schooling.
She was the only roll model he had. He is not an inventor, he is a social
yuppy (I call them) who could care less about a scientific trick, well that
is what scares him the most that he is being duped.

He is not an adventurer, he has no desire to understand the unlimited.

Yes he is pathetic but he can't help it. He is a product of social engineering
MK Ultra mental programming from the cradle and would rather die
then to admit that new findings show all the college books to be a lie.

He is fearful. He is a prisoner, he is without hope. It is like taking a
criminal to court to prove he was wrong, he will fight to stay out of his
man made jail cell waiting for him when his friends find out that he
is having a mental breakdown. So and so is losing it, first he loses
credibility, then his license, next his job. His wife after that.

He is a fearful mess.

Ever here that tick many teachers have while teaching class? At the end
of each sentence a noise is made as if to say "ARE YOU BELOW ME" it
comes with a pause and then a new sentence with the exclamation tick.

Demi gods? No delusional.

here are all the answers and you will pass, intellectual dishonesty with
themselves first. However not all men are overcome mentally but the
ones that are will get the highest position because he is the best puppet.


Who cares about the truth? They are swamp creatures found in
universities, Churches, Gov't it's all the same. people mistaken think
these men are somehow mentally superior because of the office they hold.

The world is much different than you think.


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[wantomake]

core material

Brodude,
I'm still using the 1/16" welding rods alone and not mixed with black sand. I plan to change over to what Dave is using but can't say what it is because not sure that's something Dave wants to disclose here. I leave that to him. But no heat issues in my coil. Or at least not yet.

I've got heat in prime mover my1016 motor not the (1) coil on the generator. Thus far I'm testing on a "safety" level to keep what I have. Social Security retiree's don't have many monies to use on these builds. Not poor mouthing as we say here in South Carolina. Just want to be factual. I did have a investor in the previous years. But because I didn't produce results fast enough the cash flow stopped.

Just wanted to keep the information correct here. As far as my replicating goes.

wantomake