An Inquiry into Alexey Chekurkov’s Flying Discs and Replications

[robur]

Hi all,

Yes, as I mentioned previously I’ve had other business to attend to which has taken up all of my time. (Once in a 25 year event) - Fortunately that episode is soon coming to an end and I can resume normal operations and also experimentation on my projects. (The Alexey disc being one of them).

So far with the limited experiments I’ve done, I have not yet achieved any results of note.
I keep having trouble with flash over spark-shorts with the HV DC, but that should be corrected with different connectors...

But as there are sooo many variables, only more time and effort put into it will tell...

So early in the New Year, you should see some more experimental reports and posts from me…

Happy New Year Everyone… (In a couple of days anyway)

Glad to see you SPUTINS

HAPPY NEW YEAR to you as well and delayed Merry Christmas

[Cyrano]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyDsLVVLKVc

[swallabat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyDsLVVLKVc

His building quality is getting better...

IF anyone is struggling wth measuring lifting / thrust; it's simple to do accurately and easily..

1. Get yerself a set of digital scales in the range that you want to measure.
USB output is a bonus as it allows you to make automatic and logged measurements. (I did mine the hard way with clock and pencil and paper).

2. Get approximately (or exactly, it makes no difference) 1 meter of reasonably stiff lightweight consistent material, (I used balsa), and put a pivot exactly central. Have a heavy base (at least ten times the max thrust you want to measure) and put the pivot high enough so that when the arm is balanced, it hovers 1 CM above the pressure pad of the scales.
(Use anything temporary like plasticine or blutac if there is a slight imbalance, redrill your pivot if you have a gross imbalance!)

3. 1 CM in from one end, put a pin or fine screw which pokes 1CM below the arm. This is your measurement point.

4. on the other end of the arm fabricate a clamp for your lifter/gravity motor/ brushless fan such that the thrust is manifest around a single point 1 CM in from the end of the arm.

5. Now balance the arm. (I used a sliding weight on the scales side) so that when holding your lifter/gravity motor/ brushless fan, there is no recorded weight on the scales.

6. Activate your lifter/gravity motor/ brushless fan and read off it's actual thrust on your scales!

When the measured value exceeds the weight of your device plus it's power supply it will fly.

With a lifter, for example; the curve of achieved lift versus input energy seems to get exponentially steeper as you increase the voltage...
You only get THAT secret knowledge however by DOING IT YOURSELF.

Happy new year and BIG RESPECT to all of you who are making machines and taking measurements, you are the only answer to all the liars and disinformationalists out there.

I do love all the new theory that is emerging, and it is helpful, but what we need most of all are practical machines and demonstrations of real reproducible phenomena.

Later this year, some funding and practical help may become available to those are doing practical work in this field. I've just benefitted from a little of this myself, it was given freely and I didn't ask for it. As more mainstream folks are waking up to the stultified morass our science and technology is (because great big lumps of it had to be obscured hastily, I think!) some of them seem willing to invest real resources into the folks who are doing the actual work in the field.

I might even try and organise some for other people myself, seeing how much a "shot in the arm" being paid even a small sum for doing this stuff has been for me. We need more actual workers, no denigration intended to the thinkers, but we have so many of them and so few practical workers..

[spacecase0]

I might even try and organise some for other people myself, seeing how much a "shot in the arm" being paid even a small sum for doing this stuff has been for me. We need more actual workers, no denigration intended to the thinkers, but we have so many of them and so few practical workers..

so,
I have been building for at least 20 years now,
I know very well the disinfo that "distracted" me for so long
I don't need any money to run tests,
or at least to run physics tests,
as a warning, I know physics and chemistry quite well.
I have been contacted before to set up "tests" that would kill me.
so, tell all, where did you get info from ?

I ask that you tell us all your testing requirements,
if you have issue with that, then why ?

[ricards]

so,
I have been building for at least 20 years now,
I know very well the disinfo that "distracted" me for so long
I don't need any money to run tests,
or at least to run physics tests,
as a warning, I know physics and chemistry quite well.
I have been contacted before to set up "tests" that would kill me.
so, tell all, where did you get info from ?

I ask that you tell us all your testing requirements,
if you have issue with that, then why ?

hello spacecase0,

In that 20 years, have you had any results on asymmetric capacitor setup?.
in particular the lafforgue thruster.

[spacecase0]

hello spacecase0,

In that 20 years, have you had any results on asymmetric capacitor setup?.

yes
lots.

in particular the lafforgue thruster.

no,
never tried it ( The Lafforgue's Field Propulsion Thruster )
it did not seem like it was something new when looking at the math,
so I never tested it.

[ricards]

yes
lots.

no,
never tried it ( The Lafforgue's Field Propulsion Thruster )
it did not seem like it was something new when looking at the math,
so I never tested it.

I see..

have you tried with High K materials like CCTO?..
or stacking asymmetric capacitors in series?.. to see if they have some compounding effect.

the reason I ask is because I witnessed my caps ripping itself when I have like multiple layers rather that 1 large sheet rolled..... I was wondering maybe It has some effect..

my cap was symmetrical by the way..

[destinodas1320]

you are spot on, UFO politics!

Hi Sputins!

Great work!!...I love how clean and neat plus organized you put everything together!!

However...in order to lift up...I believe you are missing one main component.







That would be a clear, almost invisible and very, very thin fishing line passing through a pulley attached to the ceiling...


Just kidding , looks great


On a side note (while mentioning fishing line attached to roof..)...have you all noticed on the Indoor Video...when he has the device in the air...then he gets a flexible cord to pass it through...which I suppose you all have noticed it has a darker color joint...may be magnetic? fast snap on-off?...

But the point here...or my question...why does he has to STRETCH HIS BODY that MUCH...when supposedly there is nothing above the device?

Why, instead...He just run that flex cord above device, so we all could see cord at all time?

Sorry I am coming up with this doubt kind of late by now...but I had this in my mind for a while now...while watching video a few times, and wanted to share it here for you all to analyze it.

Regards



Ufopolitics

Unfortunately you are correct in your assesment. Also in that same video you were mentioning, if you look in the corner of the walls, the dark line of the corner actually fluctuates quite a bit, and seemingly in correlation to the movement of the device itself.

This video is the ultimate proof of a hoax... He didin't edit out the fishing line in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i889P5nOwhg&t=168s
at the 2:46 mark you can clearly observe a line on the pillar right in between the two paintings on the wall. And he is clearly standing on the left side of the room, and moving his arms around directly above the device. When the device "lands" on the floor, you clearly can see him dropping his arms, and walking back towards the camera and where the controls for the device are. Since he is away from the controls ( which were just three seperate plug ins, when there should have been 4, 2 motors, DC HV and AC HV) how is it that the device just stops floating all the sudden, when nothing has been changed on the controls. Watching the shadow of his movements it becomes so painfully clear what he is up to.

I too wish that it was this easy, but there is much much more to Electrogravitic craft than this.

[spacecase0]

I see..

have you tried with High K materials like CCTO?..
or stacking asymmetric capacitors in series?.. to see if they have some compounding effect.

the reason I ask is because I witnessed my caps ripping itself when I have like multiple layers rather that 1 large sheet rolled..... I was wondering maybe It has some effect..

my cap was symmetrical by the way..

nothing that high K, think that I only tried up to about 9 (?, it was all single digit)
it looked like to me that the current going into the cap was what made it work. I say this because if there was an internal discharge it seemed to be equal to the higher K. This is usually hard to test repeatedly because the caps tend to die when this happens.

DC pulsed voltage is way more effective than stable voltage.

I did not have the ability to test advanced wave shapes to see what waveform worked the best. I was using square waves. or sharp rise time and slow fall time. did not see any change from the 2, but then I would not have seen small changes with my setup.

I never tried layered ones,
I did not see how it would ultimately end up with polarity
but you make me want to try it now.

my big high voltage supply is broken, so my next task is to make another. Testing at 19KV is sort of pointless

[Gambeir]

Unfortunately you are correct in your assesment. Also in that same video you were mentioning, if you look in the corner of the walls, the dark line of the corner actually fluctuates quite a bit, and seemingly in correlation to the movement of the device itself.

This video is the ultimate proof of a hoax... He didin't edit out the fishing line in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i889P5nOwhg&t=168s
at the 2:46 mark you can clearly observe a line on the pillar right in between the two paintings on the wall. And he is clearly standing on the left side of the room, and moving his arms around directly above the device. When the device "lands" on the floor, you clearly can see him dropping his arms, and walking back towards the camera and where the controls for the device are. Since he is away from the controls ( which were just three seperate plug ins, when there should have been 4, 2 motors, DC HV and AC HV) how is it that the device just stops floating all the sudden, when nothing has been changed on the controls. Watching the shadow of his movements it becomes so painfully clear what he is up to.

I too wish that it was this easy, but there is much much more to Electrogravitic craft than this.

Yea, well at best your claims maybe called speculation, but the reality is that no one else see's a fishing line, and at worst your opinions appear to be free based imaginations. I cannot see anything you are claiming and neither has anyone else that I'm aware of. You're like the first person to see what no one else seems capable of seeing. I guess you believe that if you repeat something enough it will become a visible in the minds of others.

It would be one thing if you could discuss how the machine could be working, but evidently you have no clue how that could be, and worse you're completely adverse to hearing any such possible explanation. It's almost like you have a mission and don't care about anything real. It's clear that you have no idea how this machine could work. If you really want to understand then listen to Wheeler.



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I too wish that it was this easy, but there is much much more to Electrogravitic craft than this.

Really? You could have fooled me, and if you actually do know anything, which I doubt, then try telling us. See, I'm not seeing any discussion from you. All I'm seeing are baseless and highly questionable accusations.

[ricards]

nothing that high K, think that I only tried up to about 9 (?, it was all single digit)
it looked like to me that the current going into the cap was what made it work. I say this because if there was an internal discharge it seemed to be equal to the higher K. This is usually hard to test repeatedly because the caps tend to die when this happens.

DC pulsed voltage is way more effective than stable voltage.

I did not have the ability to test advanced wave shapes to see what waveform worked the best. I was using square waves. or sharp rise time and slow fall time. did not see any change from the 2, but then I would not have seen small changes with my setup.

I never tried layered ones,
I did not see how it would ultimately end up with polarity
but you make me want to try it now.

my big high voltage supply is broken, so my next task is to make another. Testing at 19KV is sort of pointless

I'm thinking of nano-composite mixture, like High K-material mixed into epoxy.

I've been looking at research papers of such studies with dielectric materials.

the cheapest and easiest for me to make was epoxy + TiO2.

one last question If you may.. how large have you built?..

I haven't worked or studied the math side of this yet..
much more I haven't even built a proof of concept yet to see and observed first hand..

just trying to absorb the concept first... I appreciate all the response so far, thank you.

[spacecase0]

largest test I ran was under one foot across.
I had been going down the route of looking for things that would hold more voltage (for how thick they were) before breakdown.
mylar may not have that high of K value, but it holds back 10 times the voltage.
I figured that I needed to collect data on various setups
then put it all into one big equation to predict how various factors change the output.
I kept running into issues with my life getting messed up and then not having all my test gear set up for a while.
one of the largest losses I had was software vanishing on me.
I would give it a video, then you could tell it a known distance and it would tell you things like total distance traveled and acceleration.
I can't find anything like it from then till now.
of all the tests I did run, every time I started getting usable movement from something, it would be at the limit of the dielectric break down.
So I then went another direction, I figured I had to magnetically induce the voltage across the volume of space, that way there is nothing to short out. parts could then be made out of conductors and not just insulators.
the hard part to this is that you can't spin a magnet and get a spinning magnetic field (as in a homo polar generator), so, I have to spin the actual magnetic field (much harder).
so far my tests in that realm turned up very little.
years later I found out that others had been doing this and getting some results.
wilbert smith was one of them,
the MAGVID idea has the same field format.
and William J. HOOPER also was working on the same thing.
what I learned from them is that I did not have nearly strong enough of a magnetic field to see results that I can even measure.
edit:
also, they did not make the field asymmetrical, and I think it should be, as well as likely working better pulsed, so that is my next test.

[spacecase0]

almost forgot,
going for higher voltage with the asymmetrical caps can fail because of ions in the air.
if you make a simple asymmetrical cap. with the conductive plates exposed, it will (or can) ionize the air around the smaller plate making the virtual plates more equal in size.
so, I guess that casting the entire setup in an insulator would solve this, but when casting resin hit $50 a gallon I gave up on that path.
now that I think about it, maybe the internet dropped the price a huge amount, but I never bothered checking as I still think that passengers would fair better with a magnetic field inducing the electric field

[swallabat]

so,
I have been building for at least 20 years now,
I know very well the disinfo that "distracted" me for so long
I don't need any money to run tests,
or at least to run physics tests,
as a warning, I know physics and chemistry quite well.
I have been contacted before to set up "tests" that would kill me.
so, tell all, where did you get info from ?

I ask that you tell us all your testing requirements,
if you have issue with that, then why ?

I have no interest in directing anyone's activities, but I have every interest in encouraging people to do this sort of practical work.

I long ago realised, no one is going to make any money out of this sort of work, the very process of trying to monetise it, brings you in contact with the people who will take it from you. Publicising your knowledge as you acquire it also makes you subject to adversity, and there is a hypothesis I have heard made in all seriousness that the knowledge protects itself by surrounding the bearer with controversy! I've found that a genuinely honest and benevolent approach IS the only way to get by, as soon as I stop being "nice" and looking for the pleasure (and excitement) of doing the work, it all gets a bit wibbly wobbly). Consequently I tend to come and go a bit, as far as forums are concerned.

Being asked to run tests that would kill you is a new one one on me, however! What sort of tests? I mean much of this work COULD kill you, but that seems a bit much. I have a policy of only doing my own stuff, (unless it's regular contracted work of course or I like and want to help someone) which keeps life fairly simple.

I want nothing from anyone that they aren't giving freely to anyone else, and even then probably not! I got more ideas than I have power to implement them at the moment.

I will admit I am leaning towards suspecting that the alexy device, is not as transparently honest as it initially appeared, but I have received further information this week, which when I have both processed it and obtained permission to share it, IF I believe it's helpful to this discussion I'll post it. That's not a teaser, I'm just working to simplify the process of replication, by processing the information Alexey has provided, and asking the obvious questions. There will always be conflicting opinions, and I appreciate that guy with the "D-something handle" putting his alternative interpretation forwards, which bears consideration IMHO, but when people urge me to "THINK" I get a bit distracted, as we all do, with wondering why he (and several others) are so insistant we should accept their wisdom. And when people start getting condescending, then the insights just slip away to find nicer company!

Be warned, I am telling truths that I have witnessed everywhere people are trying to work these problems.

YOU HAVE TO DO THIS WITH A GOOD HEART.

I promise to try my utmost never to do a line all in caps again, but this is the most important thing I have learned about this science.

That's if you want to learn and have fun, of course. There is a wonderful side to all of this stuff, if you can be nice about it and resist the urge that always appears at some point to get annoyed about someone else's stupidity. IF you catch someone misleading people about the technology, or pushing misleading ideas if you are dedicated to the truth, you do have a duty to publish a refutation, but you have to do it without rancour.

I hope you don't mind me lecturing (anyone who reads this) a bit, but I really want my flying car, and giving you the psycho spiritual tools that work for me, might get me there quicker!

You have some really bright minds here, and potentially some solid knowledge too. I urge all of you to use it to build unity, not argue needlessly, nor allow the few liars and miscreants that appear to ruin a good thing. The nicer you can be, the better this works.

I aim to be able to provide good things with no strings attached at some point in the future, and if I learn stuff from you guys that's just a bonus!

I am concerned that there appears world-wide to be only ONE attempted replication, and taht rpecious thing is here on this thread so full of comment that if teh guy doing teh works publishes anything no one will be able to see it!

Only 1 attempted replication is not enough, really, is it? That's why I'm interested in finding ways of getting more work done. And in this particular case, "nailing down the information" so that if I have to be the second person in the world to try this (that's how rare it is for people to be doing the actual work, not talking) at least I will know I built it right, and if it does not work, it won't be because I "guessed" wrong on how a component was originally specified...

To my way of thinking, if Alexy wanted people to replicate this device, he would publish a diagram, and a list of parts with dimensions materials and tolerances specified. and when people INEVITABLY (as they do) ask for a ready made kit of parts, clean up by selling them, via ebay or amazon!!

That way you give it away and make your money honestly (and copiously after a short time, I bet!) from those who wish to spend it... Simples!

Enough from me, hopefully the chap doing the replication attempt will have some data soon. I'd love to have a go myself, but I have too much else on at the moment.. Really, I have a preposterously long list of ongoing activities, which do include a few interesting other experiments, but I've hit my stack overflow point a while back when it comes to new projects, even short ones, like building and testing one of these.

I'm sorry if I repeated myself a bit, but it's so late I'm not sure I can edit it any better.

[spacecase0]

swallabat,
did you read my post about my remote viewing of the Alexy device ?

next,
I have run tests of much better devices and got no results.

I still think this all works,
it is just a bit pricey to build that sort of thing,
anyway, I keep seeking a low price solution.