An Inquiry into Alexey Chekurkov’s Flying Discs and Replications

[mlurye]

Here is patent I found on Louis Rota site.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello All,

Here is -as I think- a pretty good analysis on the Alexey's UFO.

[VIDEO]https://youtube/pPLhMLWn-GI[/VIDEO]

https://youtu.be/pPLhMLWn-GI

Just went over quickly...will watch it in detail later ...

Any opinions?


Regards


Ufopolitics

[swallabat]

At 8:51 at he bottom of the page he quotes a motor speed of 8000rpm (ish).

The recordings of it working would sound way more impressive if it was spinning that fast.

Also the quoted speed I don't think is a harmonic of 50Hz AKA 3000rpm.. And since at least one disc is being spun by an AC synchronous motor it needs to be... I'm no expert on synchronous motors, I only have a faint understanding so I could be correctable there.

I do have it on good authority that "ours wobble" (at least our early ones did) so it does have that going for it!

[RAMSET]

Newman shares a helium /gravity effect ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irUX...outu.be&t=1621

from post number 507
here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lained-17.html

i will remove if inappropriate for topic.

a few open source Labs will be discussing/playing with this Helium
will report back to appropriate thread
respectfully submitted
Chet K

[spacecase0]

At 8:51 at he bottom of the page he quotes a motor speed of 8000rpm (ish).

The recordings of it working would sound way more impressive if it was spinning that fast.

Also the quoted speed I don't think is a harmonic of 50Hz AKA 3000rpm.. And since at least one disc is being spun by an AC synchronous motor it needs to be... I'm no expert on synchronous motors, I only have a faint understanding so I could be correctable there.

I do have it on good authority that "ours wobble" (at least our early ones did) so it does have that going for it!

so, I was pretty sure that 8K RPM was not something a synchronous motor can do, so I checked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_motor
and after thinking about the stable points, I doubt even 3K RPM can be managed

edit:
I have played with them 25 years ago,
so needed a reminder of what most of them are
but pretty sure that with air drag 3K rpm is not happening,
not only that, but you would have seen the start sequence even with a standard Synchronous motor in the video

[Markoul]

Unfortunately you are correct in your assesment. Also in that same video you were mentioning, if you look in the corner of the walls, the dark line of the corner actually fluctuates quite a bit, and seemingly in correlation to the movement of the device itself.

This video is the ultimate proof of a hoax... He didin't edit out the fishing line in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i889P5nOwhg&t=168s
at the 2:46 mark you can clearly observe a line on the pillar right in between the two paintings on the wall. And he is clearly standing on the left side of the room, and moving his arms around directly above the device. When the device "lands" on the floor, you clearly can see him dropping his arms, and walking back towards the camera and where the controls for the device are. Since he is away from the controls ( which were just three seperate plug ins, when there should have been 4, 2 motors, DC HV and AC HV) how is it that the device just stops floating all the sudden, when nothing has been changed on the controls. Watching the shadow of his movements it becomes so painfully clear what he is up to.

I too wish that it was this easy, but there is much much more to Electrogravitic craft than this.

Yes pathetic... I can see even the fishing line shadow...Russian FRAUD!

Also here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBrx4O10XkI&t=1396s

He is inserting the hoop out of video frame from a higher plane out of sight... I wonder why he is doing that? Seems an unnatural move to me... White background and a fishing line is also a very known magicians trick.

[Markoul]

I've got a reply by Alexey Chekurkov on youtube:

То что вы подумали леска это не она.Это тонкий провод который идет на средний диск от трансформатора тесла .Вот видео которое объясняет все.

Google translate:

The fact that you thought the fishing line is not it. This is a thin wire that goes to the middle disk from the tesla transformer. Here is a video that explains everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YBew2iDXlE


no comments.

[Gambeir]

I've got a reply by Alexey Chekurkov on youtube:

То что вы подумали леска это не она.Это тонкий провод который идет на средний диск от трансформатора тесла .Вот видео которое объясняет все.

Google translate:

The fact that you thought the fishing line is not it. This is a thin wire that goes to the middle disk from the tesla transformer. Here is a video that explains everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YBew2iDXlE


no comments.

So you have seen this video because I read your comments on youtube. What I don't get is why you keep insisting this is a fraud. Doesn't the analysis show that the machine can work? Are you just yourself a scammer thinking you can now run off and slap a patent on this and that's why you keep trying to paint this a fraud? I cannot see what else your motives would be because they do not appear logical given the evidence and now this video. A video I know you've seen since you seem to have commented on it on Youtube.

It does fit the Wheeler description of there being only two types of antigravity systems. This one being essentially a repulsion design. So why are you still bearing false witness against this when there is no real evidence to support that? Again I cannot support your claim that you see a some fishing line supporting the machine. I don't see that.

There is no evidence that the machine is being suspended and the analysis by Mantim Lee, purely conventional and nothing like you'd get from me, still says it's theoretically supported, and in addition it is clear that Mantim Lee himself thinks it's a working antigravity device. I do not understand your resistance to what is now becoming a much more clearly defined understanding as a working machine. You've been here on this forum so there has to be some logic to this attitude you have. It does appear that there is more to support the idea that the device is a real working machine than to suppose it isn't. At the very least the analysis of Mantim Lee shows a pathway using purely conventional physics.

What am I missing because this has nothing to do with a supposed fishing line that I cannot see.



Alexey Chekurkov Lift Craft with Circuit Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPLh...ature=youtu.be

[Markoul]

Just replicate the damn thing...

So you have seen this video because I read your comments on youtube. What I don't get is why you keep insisting this is a fraud. Doesn't the analysis show that the machine can work? Are you just yourself a scammer thinking you can now run off and slap a patent on this and that's why you keep trying to paint this a fraud? I cannot see what else your motives would be because they do not appear logical given the evidence and now this video. A video I know you've seen since you seem to have commented on it on Youtube.

It does fit the Wheeler description of there being only two types of antigravity systems. This one being essentially a repulsion design. So why are you still bearing false witness against this when there is no real evidence to support that? Again I cannot support your claim that you see a some fishing line supporting the machine. I don't see that.

There is no evidence that the machine is being suspended and the analysis by Mantim Lee, purely conventional and nothing like you'd get from me, still says it's theoretically supported, and in addition it is clear that Mantim Lee himself thinks it's a working antigravity device. I do not understand your resistance to what is now becoming a much more clearly defined understanding as a working machine. You've been here on this forum so there has to be some logic to this attitude you have. It does appear that there is more to support the idea that the device is a real working machine than to suppose it isn't. At the very least the analysis of Mantim Lee shows a pathway using purely conventional physics.

What am I missing because this has nothing to do with a supposed fishing line that I cannot see.



Alexey Chekurkov Lift Craft with Circuit Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPLh...ature=youtu.be

Until someone independently replicates the thing, demonstrates it as a proof of concept, and reports it thoroughly in English (i.e. via a patent)(not lost in the translation) so others can replicate the design I am not convinced about his/yours extraordinary claims and so called "visual proof".

My attitude about this invention is very conscious in contrary to yous which I characterize as an naive approach the least.

Until then I have the right of doubt and dispute which is a normal reaction.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.

That what is not normal is your childish attitude to get so easily convinced.

Levitation is one thing and possible but antigravity is a total different beast.

He claims that his device is an antigravity device and not a simple levitation device... the height of levitation in his last outdoor video demonstrates that this is the case he is claiming.

... I guess too much Tesla and sci-fi

[Gambeir]

Until someone independently replicates the thing, demonstrates it as a proof of concept, and reports it thoroughly in English (i.e. via a patent)(not lost in the translation) so others can replicate the design I am not convinced about his/yours extraordinary claims and so called "visual proof".

My attitude about this invention is very conscious in contrary to yous which I characterize as an naive approach the least.

Until then I have the right of doubt and dispute which is a normal reaction.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.

That what is not normal is your childish attitude to get so easily convinced.

Levitation is one thing and possible but antigravity is a total different beast.

He claims that his device is an antigravity device and not a simple levitation device... the height of levitation in his last outdoor video demonstrates that this is the case he is claiming.

... I guess too much Tesla and sci-fi

Thanks for replying. The reason I'm here to try to get people who have spent their lives involved in the technical field of electronics to get serious and involved with this anti-gravity business.

The problem Markoul is your ideas about how to go about fraud detection aren't formed by proven techniques refined through hundreds of years in law and criminal investigation. I'm not going to debate with you the wisdom of your criteria but they are by no means proven techniques for finding truth.

Now, ultimately it doesn't matter whether or not the Alexey is a fraud, not really, what matters is that it get's you motivated and involved instead of looking for any string to hang on to with which to defend the existing ruling paradigm.

Whatever the truth is, it is where we must go, and if the Alexey is a fraud it will eventually be exposed as a fraud, but it will require more than hocus pocus before people are willing to give up. So the real issue is what is your purpose? You've saying it's a fraud and yet you look more like a fraud to me than him. He's shown video's, posted his electrical circuit, answered peoples emails, and he's a 70 year old man living in the backwards of a former collapsed empire. Who are you to be saying it's a scam without so much as even trying to work out in your head how it could work or could not work?

[Gambeir]

This is the troll mantra. It absolves them of any responsibility to replicate anything and enables their constant denigration of anything they don’t understand because it doesn’t fit in the neat little box they have constructed in their mind. You cannot win an argument with them. Trying is a waste of breath.


I know people who have seen this phenomenon on the bench when power was applied in a specific way to specific electrical devices. “There are more things in heaven and earth Horacio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

Thanks and of course you're right but as the ghost of Salieri I must absolve the sin of mediocrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5lZ4czTR4o

[robur]

Still no news from tester?
Forgot his name even
Been soo long.

[Gambeir]

Still no news from tester?
Forgot his name even
Been soo long.

Yea, well it's really hard to say Robur, the system is actively working to keep the lid on everything it's spent the last half century denying. Maybe he's being jammed up. I searched for replication work, which you would think would be all over the web, but no...no a peep! To be honest I don't think that's possible. It's either being edited out or people are actively choosing to remain hidden: Probably both.

I also think a lot of people are put off by the attacks which we ourselves have seen here. Certainly every site I've visited that had anything on the Alexey has had the same "visitor." This cannot be accidental nor the work of a lone nut job.

Site's like clandestine disclosure which carried the drawing and plans for the Ottis OTC-X1 vanished without notice. He does have a Youtube Channel which has interviews with Ralph Ring
https://www.youtube.com/user/Search4TruthReality/videos

The Orwellian Chronciles was priced out of existence. He now has a blog where he explains being unable to maintain his previous website.
The Orwellian Chronicle


See, there's a control agenda being implemented where free web hosting is given, but which will prove a way to filter out what others receive, because as facebook, twitter, and others have already shown, they control what you see and hear. In some cases people are posting things which no one else ever sees. They are the dark web really. So these billionaire crime syndicates are doing this while also buying out and or pricing out of existence threats. Go back to sleep...

On the plus side other site's like Warp Drive Physics have continued.
https://www.warp-drive-physics.com/construction-blog
https://www.warp-drive-physics.com/warp-drive-news.html

Now back in October 2018 Third Phase of the Moon put out this video which has some compilations of the Alexey Saucer in flight.
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqTXQAUQ_g[/VIDEO]

[robur]

Well I waiting

And staying off forum as You want me too.

I have many, many problems suddenly rising up in my life.

So, I am way past arguing - have no energy for it any more.

[Gambeir]

Well I waiting

And staying off forum as You want me too.

I have many, many problems suddenly rising up in my life.

So, I am way past arguing - have no energy for it any more.

I don't want you to stay off the forum and I don't run this site which I'm positive is best for everyone.

We have to wait till we understand exactly what's taking place in the Alexey but I do have my opinion as to how this works and it's got little to do with conventional ideas, which if they were true should have produced something in the last 100 years besides airplanes and fireworks based rocket ships. I don't want you to stay off the forum for God's Sake, but I don't want you trying to guide discussions to your liking, and which you're abnoxiously prone to do, which would be fine on your own thread and which you're also free to start I imagine.

This thread is another matter. It isn't my thread. It's an abandoned thread...Lol...snort

Now in my opinion the Alexey may work because the materials (aluminum primarily) interact with a moving magnetic field. See my most recent posts on Joe Parr and alternating magnetic fields in the ARV thread. You probably know more about materials than anyone else and that's probably not going to change either, but we don't know what is happening just yet, and when we do I bet you're going to know what is the best go-to material to use. Like say some Aluminum alloy or something else.

Also take note of on-going inexplicable events: *See for example the 28 telephone pole power lines that fell down across US 99 at Seattles Boeing Field Museum of Flight all at once. Clobbering unsuspecting motorists, or the aircraft, more than one, which have been pulled off the runways by a mysterious force over the past couple of years: Airplanes being primarily aluminum and power lines being something close to that. Suggesting that we have some unpredictable and very strong magnetic currents suddenly appearing, and which would have to be working in a non-natural magnetic way to make these events happen, or else we have some other explanation; Boeing field ...hint...hint. Then there's the still on-going absurd mystery of missing airliners which stupidly cannot be located, but I put it to you this way because although the PTB do know, they certainly cannot say they know why these things happened, let alone where some of of these lost objects are located, and yet we should all know already because these things don't happen naturally. Well at least they are so rare that when they have happened they become part of the officially denied history and then become stories lost in the Fortean Times twilight zone.

We face the same problem and it is none of us yet know for sure how the Alexey works. For example it could be the Alexey is working because the spinning magnets are acting against an AC field at a right angle, which would be in keeping with Wheeler's statement about needing two magnets, or something to that effect.

Alternatively it could be that the crystalline shapes in the aluminum plate are functioning as a sort of magnetic U-joint and thereby also fulfilling the Wheeler requirement.

Finally it could be we are dealing with Joe Parr's experiments, as the evidence would seem to indicate, because the spinning magnets are creating alternating magnetic fields over/across/through a known AG metal, and which suggests that end result involves counter-space/hyperspace, and finally of course what do you suppose happens when a machine employing alternating magnetic fields gets too close to something else which is made from the same material; what are airplanes made from these days?