The bistander thread

[bistander]

Reply to Turion

Sorta silly. But I try not to use BM's thread and wish he'd stay off this thread. So I copy and paste posts from that thread over to here when Turion addresses me. Such as this case.

Bro,
I am responding to you on your thread rather than bi’s thread as I told him I wouldn’t be back there until after the Jan 6th meeting.

Out of date, outmoded, and (since I am the only one who has one) definitely OUT OF USE. Or do you know of one in operation anywhere that I don’t know about?

As to money, I realize you were kidding about that. I have probably around $30,000 invested in the generator. The owner of the independent testing lab, who has seen it run, has offered to give me $100,000 for more research the day the gen self runs. He believes this tech need to go forward. And getting it to self run may be a bit of a trick, but we will get there in the next couple weeks. The output is definitely already there. Now if only bistander would make such an offer, since he KNOWS it is not possible.

Anyway, have another project that is going to require the same capital outlay but over a much shorter time frame so the next year is going to be very interesting.

Hi Turion,

Now if only bistander would make such an offer,

You know? I made you an offer very similar, in fact it very well could have amounted to much more, a while back. All I asked was proof or convincing evidence of your claim.

And getting it to self run may be a bit of a trick

It sounds like you admit to using a trick. Definition of trick:

a cunning or skillful act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone.

to deceive or mystify, or to create an illusion.

crafty or cunning devices that are intended to deceive

trick definition: 1. an action that is intended to deceive, either as a way of cheating someone, or as a joke

Quoted definitions courtesy of Google.

Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays (whichever you prefer).

bi

[Turion]

Oh, and what offer was that bi? I saw no offer of cash to show you a running machine. Not ever. You imply such an offer was made. When and where? So, what you're saying is that if I prove this machine does what I say it will do, YOU will pay out $100,000? If so, let's draw up a contract. I'll sign right now. But I imagine the offer has been rescinded. Yeah, pretty sure THAT will be your excuse.

As for the "trick" I was talking about. It is ALWAYS your intent to diminish, put down, and belittle what I say and do. You are a very sad man. They must pay trolls like you a lot of money.

trick

(trɪk )

NOUN
A trick is a clever way of doing something.
Cobuild Advanced English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

clever (adept, adroit, alert, astute, brainy, cagey, canny, capable, competent, crackerjack, discerning, egghead, expert, foxy, gifted, intelligent, inventive, knowing, knowledgeable, many-sided.) As in WAY smarter than you.

And the "trick" I spoke of was trying to run a 120 volt motor on the 130+ volt output of two of the coils, when the Hz of the output hasn't even been established. Yeah, I might have to be a little adept and possibly even inventive. But deceptive? Nah, that's your area.

I got the best Christmas present in history, and when it comes to free energy you get the equivalent of coal in your stocking. As it should be. LOL You will never find free energy until you open your eyes to what is right in front of you. But it’s your choice.

[bistander]

Trick

Oh, and what offer was that bi? I saw no offer of cash to show you a running machine. Not ever. You imply such an offer was made. When and where? So, what you're saying is that if I prove this machine does what I say it will do, YOU will pay out $100,000? If so, let's draw up a contract. I'll sign right now. But I imagine the offer has been rescinded. Yeah, pretty sure THAT will be your excuse.

As for the "trick" I was talking about. It is ALWAYS your intent to diminish, put down, and belittle what I say and do. You are a very sad man. They must pay trolls like you a lot of money.

trick

(trɪk )

NOUN
A trick is a clever way of doing something.
Cobuild Advanced English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

clever (adept, adroit, alert, astute, brainy, cagey, canny, capable, competent, crackerjack, discerning, egghead, expert, foxy, gifted, intelligent, inventive, knowing, knowledgeable, many-sided.) As in WAY smarter than you.

And the "trick" I spoke of was trying to run a 120 volt motor on the 130+ volt output of two of the coils, when the Hz of the output hasn't even been established. Yeah, I might have to be a little adept and possibly even inventive. But deceptive? Nah, that's your area.

I got the best Christmas present in history, and when it comes to free energy you get the equivalent of coal in your stocking. As it should be. LOL You will never find free energy until you open your eyes to what is right in front of you. But it’s your choice.

Merry Christmas Turion,

If you scroll down a bit on this page from Collins you see this:

NOUN
1. an action or device designed to deceive, ...

Ref. https://www-collinsdictionary-com.cd...nglish%2Ftrick

The Collins COBUILD Advanced Dictionary[1] (CCAD) from HarperCollins, first published in 1987,[2] is a dictionary that distinguished itself by providing definitions in full sentences rather than excerpted phrases. Example sentences are given for almost every meaning of every word, drawn from a large corpus of actual usage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coll...ced_Dictionary

Perhaps you should have said clever instead of trick.

And my offer was for my support, not a money gift. You'll never know what value that could have been.

Thanks for replying on this by thread.

Different folks can read different meaning into the written word. Proof, fact and truth are different. So get it done. Loop your machine, without deception. Are you clever enough?

Happy New Year,

bi

BTW, notice that I address your post in this reply whereas you chose to address me and name-call.

[Turion]

Deception

bi,
Wow, I didn't realize they paid disinformationists (that's not a word, but it should be) to work on holidays. Do they pay time and a half?

You define the term "trick" completely out of context from the way I used it, and you know it. But those are always your practices. MY definition was a contextual definition. YOURS was your usual attempt to make me look bad.

If my generator works, does that mean the people who have insisted time and again that it can't are LIARS? Or does it mean they are just kind of STUPID and IGNORANT? I don't know, maybe there's a third option. Does it mean they are myopic, and clearly unable to think outside the box, or does it mean they were just not capable of comprehending? Could it be something else? Yeah, if it works, you gotta wonder if those people aren't just complete and utterly brainless idiots for not listening to all the times they have been told to try it because it works.

You say you have never called me a liar, a fraud and a con man, which makes YOU the liar. There are other examples, but here is an easy one.

Your claims are BS..... Just more waist of time.
By the way, bi, waist, in that context, is spelled "waste" See how important context is? It changes the entire meaning of the word.
....
You promote falsehoods and fiction.

bi

And please don't tell me I took your words "out of context" What you meant is clear. Whose falsehoods and fictions am I supposedly promoting? We BOTH know what your meaning was. You like to try to twist words around to make yourself look better and escape responsibility for what you say. But it cuts no ice with me. It's a LEGAL practice to avoid being sued, much like I employed in the third paragraph. You make your meaning clear to the reader, yet you protect yourself from liability.

I will cheerfully admit that if my generator does not work I am a liar. But I believe it does, so my intentions have always been good. But I would have been lying just the same. If it does not work, I will admit I have been a total fool for spending so much time and money on it. I have no problem taking responsibility for my actions. But when you call me a con-man or a scam artist, that implies that I am out to take money from someone for something I know is of no value. That is defamation of character, and you can be held legally responsible for those statements. No use denying you made those statements. The thread is LOCKED and they cannot be deleted, and screen shots.

But we'll see. The 6th is rapidly approaching. I don't know if we will have figured out how to self run by then, but for sure we will have inputs and outputs running on the razor scooter motor. Then what will you do bi? But you won't get to see the video anyway. You will have to take Aaron's word. LOL.

So your offer was to give me support, and you think that’s of any value? You don’t understand this stuff. You don’t believe in this stuff, yet you think your “support is of any value? That has got to be the funniest thing you have ever said. Wait, I’m writing this one down for the book I am writing about all this. And by the way, where is my offer of $100,000 if this actually works? Since you “know” it can’t, what have you got to lose? I mean besides the $100,000.

[altrez]

I am excited to see what the video shows. I know this works I just cant get it to be consistent. Thank you to Dave for sharing and thank you Bi for the thread.

Merry Christmas to you all!



-Altrez

[Turion]

The edge

altrez,
Are you running your setup on batteries? If so, your inconsistency could be as simple as when your battery voltage drops a bit your motor slows below the required RPM or FREQUENCY for your particular coil. That happened to me when I first started down this road. My motor ran at 2800 RPM and my coils would speed up under load. But as soon as the batteries got weak, the RPM of the motor would drop and the coil would suddenly bog the motor down. It took me forever to figure out what was going on and why that happened.

[bistander]

$

bi,
Wow, I didn't realize they paid disinformationists (that's not a word, but it should be) to work on holidays. Do they pay time and a half?

You define the term "trick" completely out of context from the way I used it, and you know it. But those are always your practices. MY definition was a contextual definition. YOURS was your usual attempt to make me look bad.

If my generator works, does that mean the people who have insisted time and again that it can't are LIARS? Or does it mean they are just kind of STUPID and IGNORANT? I don't know, maybe there's a third option. Does it mean they are myopic, and clearly unable to think outside the box, or does it mean they were just not capable of comprehending? Could it be something else? Yeah, if it works, you gotta wonder if those people aren't just complete and utterly brainless idiots for not listening to all the times they have been told to try it because it works.

You say you have never called me a liar, a fraud and a con man, which makes YOU the liar. There are other examples, but here is an easy one.

Your claims are BS..... Just more waist of time.
By the way, bi, waist, in that context, is spelled "waste" See how important context is? It changes the entire meaning of the word.
....
You promote falsehoods and fiction.

bi

And please don't tell me I took your words "out of context" What you meant is clear. Whose falsehoods and fictions am I supposedly promoting? We BOTH know what your meaning was. You like to try to twist words around to make yourself look better and escape responsibility for what you say. But it cuts no ice with me. It's a LEGAL practice to avoid being sued, much like I employed in the third paragraph. You make your meaning clear to the reader, yet you protect yourself from liability.

I will cheerfully admit that if my generator does not work I am a liar. But I believe it does, so my intentions have always been good. But I would have been lying just the same. If it does not work, I will admit I have been a total fool for spending so much time and money on it. I have no problem taking responsibility for my actions. But when you call me a con-man or a scam artist, that implies that I am out to take money from someone for something I know is of no value. That is defamation of character, and you can be held legally responsible for those statements. No use denying you made those statements. The thread is LOCKED and they cannot be deleted, and screen shots.

But we'll see. The 6th is rapidly approaching. I don't know if we will have figured out how to self run by then, but for sure we will have inputs and outputs running on the razor scooter motor. Then what will you do bi? But you won't get to see the video anyway. You will have to take Aaron's word. LOL.

So your offer was to give me support, and you think that’s of any value? You don’t understand this stuff. You don’t believe in this stuff, yet you think your “support is of any value? That has got to be the funniest thing you have ever said. Wait, I’m writing this one down for the book I am writing about all this. And by the way, where is my offer of $100,000 if this actually works? Since you “know” it can’t, what have you got to lose? I mean besides the $100,000.

Hi Turion,

I don't recall ever mentioning money. Anyway....

What happens when you fail to loop it and cannot measure more real power output than input power? Then the comments I made look like fact instead of name-calling.

But I knew your claim was false when I made those statements, so I never was name-calling, just stating fact.

bi

[Turion]

Lol

bi,
You're so sure this doesn't work. You KNOW it doesn't. So let's hear an offer to pay me $100,000 if it DOES, or even $1,000. But you won't, because you KNOW it works and you are just here to spread disinformation.

[BroMikey]

Think capital gains. Follow the smart money.
Many people have money that they would spend.

[Turion]

Money

bi,
By the way, I HAVE put MY money where my mouth is. I have invested thousands in developing this generator and have released it here for free. So let’s see if you’re willing to put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is, or are you just a lot of talk from someone hiding behind a fake name? How about it? If it works, you donate $10,000 to a charity of my choosing.

[bistander]

$ not

bi,
You're so sure this doesn't work. You KNOW it doesn't. So let's hear an offer to pay me $100,000 if it DOES, or even $1,000. But you won't, because you KNOW it works and you are just here to spread disinformation.

bi,
By the way, I HAVE put MY money where my mouth is. I have invested thousands in developing this generator and have released it here for free. So let’s see if you’re willing to put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is, or are you just a lot of talk from someone hiding behind a fake name? How about it? If it works, you donate $10,000 to a charity of my choosing.

Hi Turion,

It's not about money for me. It's location is none of your business.

I offered my support should you be able to prove your claim.

I fully expect your Jan. 6th exercise to yield only excuses, assumptions and confusion without any definitive evidence one way or the other. Do you even have the means to measure real power output from the generator? While you're at it, measure the RPM to frequency ratio and see which one of us called that correctly.

Again good luck,

bi

[Turion]

That’s what I thought

You don’t have the courage of your convictions. You’re all talk.

[bistander]

We will see

You don’t have the courage of your convictions. You’re all talk.

You really think you're smarter than everybody else, presently and over the past 4 or 5 centuries, and can make the perpetual motion / free energy machine? Good luck with that.

bi

[NROC]

Dollah

Dave's right though biproduct, if you truly back everything you repeat from wikipedia then make us a financial bet!

NROC

[BroMikey]

You really think you're smarter than everybody else.......................

Not smarter, but he has a gift called "THE GIFT OF FAITH" big diff.
This gift comes from the gift giver and when you mock the gift you mock
the GIVER. And this is why Turion feels put out so badly with a twit

Most people do not understand this.