The bistander thread

[bistander]

bi,
What is the "fundamental flaw" caused by Lorentz Force? Spell it out. You can't, because there isn't one. What EXACTLY does Lorentz force affect in the operation of my generator? By definition it is DIRECTIONAL, so please tell me in which direction the force is acting and EXACTLY what it is doing. What is it limiting or preventing? Do you KNOW?

NO, because all you do is throw out crap you read on Wikipedia. You haven't BUILT this machine. You haven't TESTED this machine. You haven't SEEN this machine run. All you can do is quote garbage you have read. Come on, let's hear it. You know everything, so explain how Lorentz force is going to prevent the generator from working exactly as I have claimed. This should be good for a laugh.

Turion,

I learned Lorentz long before wikipedia was invented. Actually wikipedia does a decent job with it. Please read it.

The Lorentz force in the axial gap rotary dynamo is a result of the interaction of the radial component of the armature current with the axial flux and acts in the tangential direction opposing motion. Actually motion is not required. However the Lorentz force will be in a direction to oppose rotation if the dynamo is used as a generator and in a direction to cause rotation if used as a motor.

Pretty simple. Thanks for asking.
bi

BTW. It is extremely simple to demonstrate on your bench, as you are fond of. Just lay a wire on top of a magnet, one pole pointed up. Touch flexible wire leads momentarily to low voltage battery causing a quick current to rush through the wire section laying on the magnet. Notice movement of the wire. Reverse polarity, wire moves opposite direction. Flip magnet upside-down, wire moves opposite way. Try it.


Photo attached. I just did it on my bench. Took 2 minutes.

[Turion]

bi,
What is the "fundamental flaw" caused by Lorentz Force? Spell it out. You can't, because there isn't one. What EXACTLY does Lorentz force affect in the operation of my generator? By definition it is DIRECTIONAL, so please tell me in which direction the force is acting and EXACTLY what it is doing. What is it limiting or preventing? Do you KNOW?

NO, because all you do is throw out crap you read on Wikipedia. You haven't BUILT this machine. You haven't TESTED this machine. You haven't SEEN this machine run. All you can do is quote garbage you have read. Come on, let's hear it. You know everything, so explain how Lorentz force is going to prevent the generator from working exactly as I have claimed. This should be good for a laugh.

[BroMikey]

The basic idea behind your work has a fundamental flaw. I've mentioned it before and you choose to ignore it. That is Lorentz force.

bi

And yet no matter how many important details are put on the table for discussion you ignore them all as if facts don't matter. You then disagree and flush and rinse repeat disagree and repeat the disagreement based on no facts just hot air. Flush rinse and repeat with no facts just zero. You must lay out the materials to be dissected or disassociated into their integral components and then show the proper analogies.

You show nothing, you say nothing about any of the facts that make any kind of rational argument. This of course is a very weak message on your part. Every thought has pieces and interactions. Where is your evidence? Lorentz force? be specific or have you ever done these tests?

Lorentz force is shown in the history books. Start there and explain your positions based on the bench tests. If you can not do that, you are a beginner and should not be viewed as a leading expert as you are projecting here.

[bistander]

The basic idea behind ALL of the work we have done is this....Build a rotor as big as you can afford to build with as many magnets on it as you can afford to put on it. Connect a motor to the rotor. Whatever your cost to turn that rotor is ALL you have to pay to make the generator run. Add as many of the correct coils as you like with opposition magnets. No additional input cost. Add your loads. No additional input cost. Once you have added enough coils that your output exceeds your input you have what we have all been searching for. Continue to add coils and opposition magnets until your output is whatever YOU want it to be. Simple.

The basic idea behind your work has a fundamental flaw. I've mentioned it before and you choose to ignore it. That is Lorentz force.

bi

[BroMikey]

That's not true. Show us this "EE handbook".

You can find out how to make your grandmothers salad dressing if you know where to look. The EE handbook would take 10 years to skim thru. You didn't find it yet? Plus you need to know what you are looking at. That leaves you out. You can not see a basic working principle. A 7th grade class could easily follow my instructions.

Until you can go over the facts or details presented many multiple times then we must consider you a zhit-posting shill.

[bistander]

The way efficiency is calculated in the EE handbook is to begin your rotating mass and when the rotor is spinning this is called "0" and a starting point of reference. Next a coil ...

That's not true. Show us this "EE handbook".

*Edit after his reply.
He cannot show us the EE handbook source as he claims because it doesn't exist. He just makes up whatever he wants and lies about it. He never supports his ridiculous statements, fantastic claims or so-called facts.
bi

[Turion]

bro,
I will consider what you have to say about MY build when you show us YOUR completed device. You’ve had just as many years as I have to figure this stuff out and build it but you haven’t. Just talk, talk, talk.

My battery bank is composed of batteries that came from either my solar system or my Polaries EV electric vehicle that were not performing as they should. They were removed and reconditioned. At $120.00 each for 16 batteries it’s more like $2,000.00 than the $20,000.00 you are babbling about. Once more you speak without knowing what you’re talking about. As for me throwing money out the window, it’s my money and I will do what I want with it. I worked three jobs most of my life so I could retire at 55. So if I want to pile money up and light it on fire, I will.

[bistander]

https://youtu.be/yzrx6W3cwaY
This is an example of how to test a generator. I've just been trying to look at Thane's videos and they are just so bad.
He tries to talk over a screaming motor and there's no meaningful data.I just gave up!

Hi Quan,

In your video example, doesn't his generator output AC? Isn't PF required to determine real output power?
bi

[Quantum_well]

What I've noticed with some of you guys figures is the criminally high current when your test rigs are doing nothing. Number one, bearings. Get quality ceramic bearings, thoroughly clean them out with spirit, lubricate with specialist oil and protect with polished non contact discs. Two, good alignment is essential.Three, mount the drive motor on the same shaft and use a brushless pwm controller. Four, make sure the rotor is as smooth as possible and remember a heavier rotor will be more efficient as it will ensure constant speed. Vibration will loose you efficiency. Halve that input power!!

[BroMikey]

So I guess super caps are forgotten

So yeah the guy with a 20a supply could use 3 kiddy car batteries in series accross the 36 volt suplly and have a 50 amp start up amperage but who can even think these days. Or supercaps will do the same thing the size of my thumb coming in at 2.7v X 12 to reach the desired.

You don't need $20,000 worth of the best batteries on the planet like Dave. That guy throws money out the window a sort of showing off. Bronze is boring when you have brains.

Dave is a lot of fun tho, he has done his best ya know?--digdig

Course the guy was warned about the amp draw but it couldn't happen to his motor or source, could it? There is such a device called an AMP-METER they cost $5 each. Then you have to stop the system if it goes over which he did not. Just ignore all protocol completely. Yup, that is who this is. Then the attacks, "YOU TOLD ME WRONG"

I almost got it, I am almost there, the smoke pours out. C U next time. Maybe next year. When have we ever heard that? Let me think. Same ole clown show.

PS gonna be getting my mill soon and you wantabee tards will become irrelevant. What a waste of wishing. 2007-2021 is 14 years

And you expect favor unequivocally? You have it, but to no end. We are told soon. Dave needs to give me a loan and I'll get the job done.

[BroMikey]

Batteries works,
I have 16 deep cycle 6 volt golf cart batteries in my shop, but I am NOT the one doing this testing.

So I guess super caps are forgotten

[bistander]

https://youtu.be/yzrx6W3cwaY
This is an example of how to test a generator. I've just been trying to look at Thane's videos and they are just so bad.
He tries to talk over a screaming motor and there's no meaningful data.I just gave up!

Yep. Pretty straight forward. I've mentioned Thane's total lack of understanding of what efficiency is before. It doesn't take much to look up the definition. The guy in your video does a nice job. Thanks.
bi

[Quantum_well]

https://youtu.be/yzrx6W3cwaY
This is an example of how to test a generator. I've just been trying to look at Thane's videos and they are just so bad.
He tries to talk over a screaming motor and there's no meaningful data.I just gave up!

[Quantum_well]

Thane shows us loads of 60 watts for the special coils with no increase in input.
That is the point. Explain that. Then Thane adds 2 more coils of 60 watts each with no change at the input. Are you folks so slow you did not understand what I just printed? If so you are so conditioned NOT to think for yourselves it wouldn't matter what the facts of any experiment will present as long as teacher told you it can't be done.
When Thane shows more out than in folk will take more notice.

[alexelectric]

And to start the generator's driving motor, I don't worry about the initial consumption, as I already mentioned, I will use the batteries