The bistander thread

[Turion]

It's all open sourced. Send it to him yourself. Billions of people will only benefit from this when people start building it and more than ONE voice says it works. Elon Musk won't listen to me. I know. I have tried. YOU try getting in contact with him.

[bistander]

bi,

How many more must die and how much more suffering must the planet and population endure before you replicate it and prove to the world either that it works or I am a fraud?

You have said that neither of the two components of the machine that I claim are responsible for its ability to produce more out than in are "relevant to power production at speed under load." I have staked my reputation on the fact that my claims are true. YOU have no reputation to put at stake, since you hide in the dark and no one knows who you are. You called me a liar, a fraud and a con man. I challenged you to put your money where your BIG MOUTH is and I will prove that magnetic neutralization works and exactly HOW it contributes to power production at speed under load. You have totally ignored the opportunity to make that bet and have that proved because you KNOW it will cost you money. If you are so concerned about all the people suffering and dying, put your money where your mouth is. Spineless. Coward. So how about that bet, bi? If I'm so wrong, put up some money. But I'm NOT wrong, which is why you won't even acknowledge that the bet exists. And YOU know it. So does everyone else here.

Turion,
You made the claim publicly. All you have to do is prove it publicly, to everyone and anyone, including me, and I would replicate it and work my butt off to get it implemented. But you got to prove it. I'd seriously love to see you prove me wrong. But unless you, or someone else, proves it, I'm not about to waste effort building something I know doesn't work.

You call me spineless. If somehow you actually had the OU device as you claim, for all these years, and have just been sitting on it, I'd call you heartless.
bi

[Turion]

Sitting on it? Moron. I gave it away. You want proof that magnetic neutralization does exactly what I said it does? Put up or shut up. You’re a pathetic coward who won’t stand behind his big mouth. I’m not responsible for whether or not you get off your butt and contribute. I’ve done my part. You think you can call names and bully me into doing all the work, but that’s not going to happen. You want to know for sure, build it yourself.

How about that bet? You keep ignoring it and avoiding it. Because you KNOW you are wrong. And IF I am right then HALF of what I have claimed is absolutely possible. Put up the $$$ or shut your mouth. There’s your opportunity to get half the proof you want, and if I’m wrong it costs you nothing. THEN we will talk about proof for the other half.

What are YOU going to do with your ONE and ONLY life? Are you going to try and make a difference or are YOU going to be the one that discourages others from finding the truth. Up to you guys. I have MY truth. Find yours. You don't "KNOW" it doesn't work. You believe it doesn't work. If you KNOW it doesn't work, then accept the bet. But you won't, because you are a tool. Someone is paying you and you should be so ashamed of yourself. Sometimes I feel sorry for you to think that this is how you have to make your money, deriding the work of others. But then I just get angry that this is the way things are in the country I love.

[BroMikey]

Sitting on it? Moron.

You think you can call names and bully me into doing all the work

...........YOU going to do with your ONE and ONLY life? Are you going to try and make a difference or are YOU going to be the one that discourages others from finding the truth. Up to you guys.

But then I just get angry that this is the way things are in the country I love.

Yes Mr Dave, you hit a soft spot there. I love this country and the people in it, even the haters are loved here. Time runs out and all of our deeds will come back to us, good or bad.

For GOD AND COUNTRY and for the great brotherly love we share, nothing compares with it.

The thing about a gift can seem like a strange happening. You get ideas based on the gifts inside your being and the first test is "will you share it" or will you hid it under a bushel. Well that is a reference to the ancient text of great wisdom. You did not hide your gift and for that you will be despised, rejected, hated falling into the pattern of the past men who suffered.

This is a good thing and a test worthy of passing. You have already done it. Now it is up to others to use their gifts to further the innovation that requires the collective to refine. The more you speak the greater the resistance because the darkness wants despotism. The light easily always wins. When thunder comes in the form of highly charged words and the rat run, scurrying away never to be found. It will be as if they never existed. This is another gift.

I am soon to get my gear and am looking at cutting tools, setting up the shop all over again with good times ahead. The gear has 60 teeth and allows these new RPM meters to function with a narrow range. High accuracy. I have been doing some research on possible metals to use for the rotor that non magnetic. First I thought maybe the MU METAL and this is because there rotor rotors around the web showing them in operation. Then it dawned on me, stainless steel is the brother to MU METALS and is often used in shielding. One concern is when cutting stainless you don't want heat which changes it's structure. If proper cooling (Flooding or cutting coolant) it use the area of the cut will not become slightly more magnetic than the rest of the rotor. I did some cuts and found if I did not use coolant the stainless suffered excessive heat, changed to the point of making it nearly impossible to cut and became magnetic along that edge or around the hole depending on thickness.

It still works but is better when cooling is applied not to mention the cutter (Drills) did not need to be replace almost every hole. Drill Mills are a cheap solution for 2-4 thousand.

Things are changing in this country we love and soon many bad men will be moved out of the way (more each day) who had in the past stopped innovation like this from going forward.

Good always wins. This is what America was founded on. SHE is lovely.Being called everything but a white boy is your badge of honor, SIR, how does it feel?

[bistander]

Sitting on it? Moron. I gave it away. You want proof that magnetic neutralization does exactly what I said it does? Put up or shut up. You’re a pathetic coward who won’t stand behind his big mouth. I’m not responsible for whether or not you get off your butt and contribute. I’ve done my part. You think you can call names and bully me into doing all the work, but that’s not going to happen. You want to know for sure, build it yourself.

How about that bet? You keep ignoring it and avoiding it. Because you KNOW you are wrong. And IF I am right then HALF of what I have claimed is absolutely possible. Put up the $$$ or shut your mouth. There’s your opportunity to get half the proof you want, and if I’m wrong it costs you nothing. THEN we will talk about proof for the other half.

What are YOU going to do with your ONE and ONLY life? Are you going to try and make a difference or are YOU going to be the one that discourages others from finding the truth. Up to you guys. I have MY truth. Find yours. You don't "KNOW" it doesn't work. You believe it doesn't work. If you KNOW it doesn't work, then accept the bet. But you won't, because you are a tool. Someone is paying you and you should be so ashamed of yourself. Sometimes I feel sorry for you to think that this is how you have to make your money, deriding the work of others. But then I just get angry that this is the way things are in the country I love.

Turion says "are YOU going to be the one that discourages others from finding the truth."

I encourage readers of yours to research, think and decide what the truth is. I want the truth revealed. You do not. You want readers to blindly accept and believe you. I want readers not to simply accept what I post, but to reason, think, research, decide, then to believe what is real. If someone decides to follow you, that is their problem. At least I offered a path to truth for them. Isn't that a purpose of forums and free speech? Differing opinions and prospectives?
Regards,
bi

[Turion]

That is absolutely the purpose of this forum, and I put my reputation on the line because my NAME is on the things I claim. YOU on the other hand have NO accountability when you can call me a liar, a con man and a fraud. Because YOU hide in the dark like a scared little rabbit. For free speech to matter you have to have enough backbone to stand up in support of your words. So when I attempt to hold you accountable for your words by offering to BET that I am telling the truth, you ignore the bet and do all you can to focus on anything and everything else. I say put your money where your MOUTH is or shut up. Simple. How about it? Spineless? Ready to make that bet? This is like the 10th time I have asked. Can you even read? Do you need someone to read this to you?

NO! You won’t take the bet. Because you will be proved wrong and you know it.

[bistander]

That is absolutely the purpose of this forum, and I put my reputation on the line because my NAME is on the things I claim. YOU on the other hand have NO accountability when you can call me a liar, a con man and a fraud. Because YOU hide in the dark like a scared little rabbit. For free speech to matter you have to have enough backbone to stand up in support of your words. So when I attempt to hold you accountable for your words by offering to BET that I am telling the trut For free speech to matter you have to have enough backbone to stand up in support of your words.h, you ignore the bet and do all you can to focus on anything and everything else. I say put your money where your MOUTH is or shut up. Simple. How about it? Spineless? Ready to make that bet? This is like the 10th time I have asked. Can you even read? Do you need someone to read this to you?

NO! You won’t take the bet. Because you will be proved wrong and you know it.

You say:
"For free speech to matter you have to have enough backbone to stand up in support of your words."

Example: You make an extraordinary claim; you prove it.

Simple,
bi

[Turion]

If you want it proved, take the bet. Simple. Put your money where your mouth is. If you cant do that, you have no right to call me a liar, a fraud and a con man FROM THE DARK. Put up or shut up. Simple. Take the bet. Or shut up.

[bistander]

If you want it proved, take the bet. Simple. Put your money where your mouth is. If you cant do that, you have no right to call me a liar, a fraud and a con man FROM THE DARK. Put up or shut up. Simple. Take the bet. Or shut up.

So you make the world suffer longer just to belittle me. How nice.
bi

[Turion]

Avoid, avoid, avoid, misdirect, obfuscate, conceal, belittle, accuse. Do everything you can to avoid the facts. I have said that the success of my machine is dependent on TWO things: Magnetic Neutralization and properly “tuned” Speed up Under Load coils. And that they are the REASON more out than in is possible. You say these two things are irrelevant. If I PROVE they are relevant, then YOU are exposed as the fraud. I say put your money where your mouth is. You say they aren’t relevant, I say let’s make a bet on it. For the 11th time I have said it and you won’t accept the bet. Because you know you are WRONG. If you were right you would take the bet and shut me up. But you can’t can you?

[bistander]

Avoid, avoid, avoid, misdirect, obfuscate, conceal, belittle, accuse. Do everything you can to avoid the facts. I have said that the success of my machine is dependent on TWO things: Magnetic Neutralization and properly “tuned” Speed up Under Load coils. And that they are the REASON more out than in is possible. You say these two things are irrelevant. If I PROVE they are relevant, then YOU are exposed as the fraud. I say put your money where your mouth is. You say they aren’t relevant, I say let’s make a bet on it. For the 11th time I have said it and you won’t accept the bet. Because you know you are WRONG. If you were right you would take the bet and shut me up. But you can’t can you?

For the sake of mankind, what you must do is prove you have a device which will produce 1800 watts of sustained power output using less than 300 watts input, like you claim. Until you do that, there is no reason to take anything you say seriously.
bi

[Turion]

So in other words, you are wrong. You won't admit it. You won't make the bet. You're a complete embarrassment. And to take the attention off the fact that YOU have NO IDEA what you are talking about, you are attempting to place guilt on ME for the state of mankind? LOL. Pathetic attempt my man. How about that bet? You can't weasel out of it. You haven't even once mentioned it. That's how SCARED you are of being proven wrong. Spineless. We're all going to suffocate from all the CHICKEN feathers around here.

[bistander]

So in other words, you are wrong. You won't admit it. You won't make the bet. You're a complete embarrassment. And to take the attention off the fact that YOU have NO IDEA what you are talking about, you are attempting to place guilt on ME for the state of mankind? LOL. Pathetic attempt my man. How about that bet? You can't weasel out of it. You haven't even once mentioned it. That's how SCARED you are of being proven wrong. Spineless. We're all going to suffocate from all the CHICKEN feathers around here.

I'm just a person who came here looking to help people trying to improve the energy situation and to challenge people making the situation worse. I also held a hope that I might find something interesting to experiment with and learn a few things. Been around about five years. Been interesting. Studying ferrocell I think I actually learned a lot and did construct crude cells. Threads come and go. My main interest has always been with electric machinery. I'd really like to replicate an OU or FE generator. Hence my interest in your project. I've studied it, and you, and concluded it to be false in regards to your public claim of 1800 watts of real output power using less than 300 watts input. I think you do harm in continuing to promote it so I simply counter your claims and theories using established scientific facts, or truth. You respond with insults and BS. All I'm asking is proof of your claim.

Elon Musk won't listen to me. I know. I have tried. .

How naive. Why would you think anybody would take seriously a claim of a 1500 watt free energy generator without accompanying proof? Mr. Musk has the common sense to realize this. However there are many who don't. So I just choose to give those folks some clues to enable them to make informed decisions. I guess you don't like that.
bi

[Turion]

How about that bet? Still too much of a coward to make it because you know you are wrong? Completely avoid even mentioning it don’t you? If you can’t put up, how about you just shut up. Spineless.

[BroMikey]

How about that bet? Still too much of a coward to make it because you know you are wrong? Completely avoid even mentioning it don’t you? If you can’t put up, how about you just shut up. Spineless.

I have seen many big names buy extra energy cars and like Elon they always bury technology, buying off the rights and so on. Those days are over. Thousands of new inventions are going to take over.

Feather dust is hard to breath over, maybe a good use for a surgical mask?