Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[BroMikey]

Sky,
...................... I have a prototype that will run long enough to shoot
video and make real measurements that people can see.

The coils get hot and 10 minute the machine must be turned off?
Something like that is what you wrote. This might be why Heinz patent
talks about HT high Temp type II magnet wire. It has game changer
qualities as the resistance is lowered due to the nano coating on the
layered surface of the build.

As you know core material should be Metglas which is another game
changer I think. Iron might be easier for a novice. Like me.

Gonna order some of that there tape (Nano) to make cores with one
of these days from Alibaba. The price break is $145 to the door for
22 pounds of the best stuff having a higher frequency response (tiny)
than the standard 100hz tape sold for wall adapter construction.

As the coil strands get thicker more power is collected and it seems
like with better wire and core the heat will be greatly reduced to a level
that is practical to run long term. Still guessing of course but an educated
one. I cheat, I listen to everyone who has done it.

Keep up the fight to push foreword never surrender.

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[SkyWatcher]

success under load

Hi all, wow, thanks for that very helpful post turion, that will help for sure.

I have yet to read your post bromikey, have to go out, just want to post this update.

I have success under load , with lenz speed up, input amps drops at least 30 milliamps.

I decided to try and use a 10 ohm - 10 watt resistor I had here.
And with rpms between 1950 rpm and 2325 rpm, I was getting audible speed up with my ears and the amp meter dropping in amperage.

I could also see, It did not need all 51 strands to cause speed up either, I placed the load between 51 and 15th series strand and was still getting speed up.
Though I have most of them taped, so I would have to take more time to see where the neutral point is and then slow down point.

Edit: I just checked with 10 ohm resistor load again, I can hear slight slow down at 15 strands.
So with that, we know this coil needs more than 15 strands at 2325 rpm.

peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, better to have it without the capacitor I would think.

I see and have known the value, many things are very undervalued in this realm, because usually those things can't be controlled.
Take this Nikola Tesla coil I'm experimenting with and you are perfecting.
When taken to the logical conclusion of its use, unless we're going to be charged for the excess it generates, it too, cannot be controlled and put in a nice little box of, put 1 in and get 1 back.

Also, I measured the 120 vac - 11 watt incandescent bulb I was previously using as load and it shows 113.5 ohms.
I guess that it is too high of a resistance for my particular setup and my particular
Nikola tesla multifilar coil.
Maybe it was causing the effect to come too late or too soon.

By the way, I'm using Nikola tesla's full name, so people are not confused with that other puppet and their company.
peace love light
Thanks for your work and sharing turion.

[BroMikey]

Both Ferrite and Metglass are cooler than iron

,.......... So there goes your speed up under load.

For a BIG machine, circulate the heated water through
he floors and walls ..............

Can't help but think oil filled transformers, N.T. came out with those
also. I guess mineral oil works for heat extraction as a means of cooling
on a common pole transformer. Just press the spools into a tight fitting
plastic tube using water proof epoxy.

You have to heat your hot water at the house anyway. Quick and easy.

[BroMikey]

I decided to try and use a 10 ohm - 10 watt resistor I had here.
And with rpms between 1950 rpm and 2325 rpm, I was getting
audible speed up with my ears and the amp meter dropping
in amperage.

..........It did not need all 51 strands to cause speed up either,
I placed the load between 51 and 15th series strand and was still
getting speed up.


Edit: I just checked with 10 ohm resistor load again, I can hear slight slow down at 15 strands.
So with that, we know this coil needs more than 15 strands at 2325 rpm.

peace love light

Keep flirting with it and you will find the right combo. I knew you could do it.

Sounds like around 35 strands you have struck a nerve.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, thanks, not sure it could have been done without the 1" core extension though, which I think added some phase delay.

I tried a 12 volt tractor battery as load with full wave bridge off coil, using all 51 strands
and I was able to get lenz neutral at around 2550 rpm.
If I used #1 to #15 strand, rotor would slow down, so battery load probably needs 30-51 strands and a little more rpm.

Seems obvious, the load type matters, though I would have thought the 12 volt battery, being so low in resistance, would not be much different than the 10 ohm resistor.
Maybe because it already has a 12 volt potential, that is causing the difference or the diodes resistance and causing the phase delay to be shorter, thus the need for more rpm and coil strands.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

I would have told you about the loading but it is better you find out
some things on your own. Like Turion just mentioned more magnets
generator more and I have 20 so this allowed me more power
to light up bulbs. You do not have 20 magnets. I have 4200ft of wire
on my "C" core, you do not have a "C" core or 4200ft of wire.

I am running sometimes over 3000 rpm's, not you. You are sometimes
at 1900rpm's, that is where I would like to see results. Down lower.
You could have 6" extension on any standard coil and you would not
get to where you are now.

What you have there that interests me is 51 strands at 40ft long
which seems to allow for speed up sooner. My strands for uncontrollable
speed up peaked at 17 using 3000rpm's or more and are 170ft each
strand or 17X170=2890ft of wire.

Turion is using 250 ft per strand + 800ft long I believe, wanto got speed
up at 2800 rpm's also using shorter strands than Turion.

What is interesting about your setup is that speed up has seem to
come at a lower RPM due to shorter strands using more of them(51)

The kicker will be when you connect all 51 strands in series and begin
slowing down the rotor to see what the very slowest RPM is that speed
up under load will still occur.

If this be true, that speed up will come at a lower RPM the next person
might us 100 strands at 20ft per strand. Who knows maybe 1000rpm's
will do the same job using the right coil.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, thanks for sharing that.
Ok, I see what you are saying and asking of me.
I will test to see how low the rpm's can go with 51 strands, a 10 ohm resistor load and a couple other load resistances.

peace love light

Edit: Ok, with 10 ohm resistor load, at 51 strands of 30awg., lenz neutral is around 1500 rpm, little lenz speed up at around 1800 rpm.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for sharing that information, which I'm sure is a re-post.

I have another coil from previous experiments, it's a 12 strand - 24awg. magnet wire coil.
I measured ohms of single strand and calculated about 110 feet per strand.

Not sure if that coil is worth experimenting with or just making another coil of at least 12 strand 24 awg., with longer length strands.

I would like more usable power, plus, I do plan to build a bigger rotor with bigger magnets at some point in near future.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

When I went to 12 strands 250 feet long of
#23 I got SUUL at 1800 rpm

At 1800 rpm's your 12"
rotor is carrying your magnets around at 63mph

....at 51 strands of 30awg., lenz
neutral is around 1500 rpm....................

Your magnets are traveling
16mph on that tiny rotor. 4X slower than 63MPH so maybe that short
strand coil with 12" rotor will speed up at 500rpms??
or 700RPM's see what I mean? Or 1500/4=350rpm??????????????

Slow mean less power generation so use a 96 magnet rotor

Conclusion:

Rotor dia relates to frequency based on RPM's. On a scope we read
time in micro second or milliseconds and can be converted to other
speed measurements. I went to MPH to give us a term easy to grasp.
Also to warn of the dangers of flying projectiles.

Typically Turions rotor magnet travels at 98mph at 2800rpm's



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[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, yes, that is interesting.
Only downside, not sure how much juice we can get from these 30 awg. strands.

Maybe if more separate coil/cores are added and placed in parallel for more current, that could work.

Here's an interesting quote from Thane, yes I've been rummaging around the threads at both sites.

I can hear the sound also, just before speed up, wasn't sure what it was, now I know.
peace love light

THE FINAL AND MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU WANT TO LOOK FOR IN YOUR REPLICATIONS IS THE SOUND THE HV COIL DISCHARGING MAGNETIC FIELD MAKES WHEN IT HITS I_RON'S ROTOR.
I_RON'S ROTOR OPENNED MANY NEW DOORS BUT THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
IF YOU GET THINGS RIGHT - YOU WILL ACTUALLY HEAR THE MAGNETIC FIELD PINGING OFF THE ROTOR WHEN THE HV COIL IS ENGAGED - JUST BEFORE ACCELERATION HAPPENS. (DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT SEND GOTOLUC A PM AND HE WILL CONFIRM THIS). IT SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
AS I HAVE SAID THE HV COIL IS ACTUALLY A CAPACITOR UNDER THE CORRECT CONDITIONS.
A CAPACITOR DISCHAGES INSTANTLY BUT ONLY AT TDC.
SO THE SOUND OF FLUX HITTING THE ROTOR IS THE CAPACITOR STORING ENERGY AND THEN RELEASING IT ALL AT ONCE. - YOU WON'T GET THIS SOUND WITH A TYPICAL COIL THAT IS ACTING AS AN INDUCTOR PRODUCING AND RELEASING A "GRADUAL" MAGNETIC FIELD.
AND YOU WON'T GET THIS SOUND IF THE CORES "DISAPPEAR" MAGNETICALLY WHEN ENGAGED
YOU WON'T GET THIS SOUND IF THE MOTOR IS CAUSING ACCELERATION - END OF STORY.

[BroMikey]

quote from Thane, yes I've been rummaging around the threads at
both sites.

I can hear the sound also, just before speed up, wasn't sure what it
was, now I know.

Of course Thane takes the time to see who is working on this Tesla coil
patent for lenz free electromagnets. Thane instigated some of this
work after he found out for himself years ago. His thrill is to see others
succeed.

However LUC is not about helping with these confirmations but I guess
he hasn't figured that one out yet. On the surface Luc comes on as
an engineer level student who is honestly looking for the goods, nope.

On bigger wire that produces more generated power Turion has led the
way publicly holding back nothing and giving himself to teaching this
subject for years.

Thanes quote is nothing more than a validation for Thanes work and only
breaks the ice for some college boys who won't agree. Just another proof
that Thane is right. Of course he is.

However we need to work toward the practical aspects and the processes
leading up to that. Only Turion has done that, the rest are out for money
so many secrets are kept. Only the select few inside get the goodies
and most of them don't have the time to follow thru.

It is a big mistake. We have many examples of people who found secrets
only to have them die with the finder. N.Tesla did not do that.

We have everything we need right here.
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[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for sharing.
So you're using the 12 strand - 250 feet per strand coils, with some kind of multiple thin rods as core.
Those are monster coils.
Did you make the plastic coil bobbins, or are they bought pre-made from something, what dimensions of coil bobbin.
Also, what dimensions of rotor and which version razor motor is that.

Hi bromikey, of course that quote is from awhile ago, so I would hope Thane is on to luc.
All I can say is something you already know, we apparently are surrounded by a whole lot of soulless ones in this particular realm and they beat to a different drummer, not the one creator source, so a puppet in this matrix realm is what they are.
They, the soulless ones have many veils over their minds, whereas we do not, apparently.
If this were not the case, you or I or turion, etc., would not have the freewill to even think this tech is possible and would be programmed to debunk it in some way.
Yes, this is all spiritual, if it were not, all these kinds of tech would be already in use by everyone, as they once were in the recent past.
I wouldn't say it's a big mistake, that's how things roll in this place, in a different kind of realm, all those inventors would never have been programmed to behave as they have, they would have selflessly given the knowledge of such (GAME) changing tech for free, so people can build it and share it, just as Thane, turion, etc. have done to one degree or another.
I'm going to focus on building a more practical coil, out of 24awg. wire, just need to figure out how I'm going to measure out each strand and then be able to wind them together.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for the helpful tips.
I found this video on utube, I think it may be even easier and for anyone reading this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZETeUMRP8

Think I will try this method, since I don't have a large, continuous roll of wire at the moment, I have to scavenge what I have, off of many other coil experiements from the past.

Do you think I should make the coil as you have designed yours, meaning 12 strands at 250 feet per strand.

peace love light

[BroMikey]

I wouldn't say it's a big mistake.....................

Men are selfish and hog everything to themselves, first mistake
second mistake is waiting til later by that time we will have gone
completely around them in this race to understand.

I don't hold it against people for trying to make money, besides not
everyone is that fond of the pigeons. The docile yuppies will never
get anywhere on this stuff as the schools have sucked the life out of
them keeping them from trying.

Third mistake "whats the use?"

Only the SOB'S take this challenge by force. Watch out for the tidal
wave of mindless dweeve's and their endless corrections. Seems they
only get off on self validation, mistake #4 and the list goes on forever.

Keep piercing the blackness and emerge unscathed in this Zombie
apocalypse nightmare as always.

From here it is all up to you how much money you want to spend. I
think a big machine is several thousand just for the wire, spools, cores
after that all you need it bearings and a magnet rotor. Machining costs
are 50 dollars an hour or better.

If you go with a medium size (Like me) try to do what Thane did. His
rotor has a large dia with many magnets, that will get speed up sooner
than those 3-4" wheels.

Plastic or metal rotors, magnets must be shielded to isolate them from
the next one on the wheel. Most use plastic because the don't shield.