Magnetic Fuel Savers

[Greg Slabaugh]

Aaron I found this site just a little while ago and read your article about the small ceramic magnets. I was wondering did you put the magnets on the fuel line so they repel one another or do they attract one another I suspect that one was on top and the other one directly underneath. I've been trying to work on some ideas to increase gas mileage another idea I've been working on is increasing the temperature of the fuel going into the engine. Greg

[Aaron]

magnets on fuel line

Hi Greg,

I put the magnets on one side of the fuel line without having one on the other side attracting or repelling. They were only on the rubber hosing. I used round ceramic ones from Radio Shack and they were about 1/2" diameter.

You'll probably do well with the fuel heating.

I would also do something with any oxygen sensor setup you have like what Redmeanie is sharing.

[lighty]

Iron fuel line is standard in the industry now, and may well have been mandated to prevent the fuel magnetizers from working. Automobile engines use very little iron anymore, so it is curious that the fuel line is iron when there are numerous braided plastic tubing materials available that can handle the pressure and are probably cheaper.

I just checked out with my car mechanic friend a number of high pressure fuel tubes on various Japanese, Korean and European cars. Virtually all of the new cars we checked on have rubber hose with plastic tubing inside.

Two problems I see with those fuel line is the fact that they're not flexible (they're made exactly to go to fuel injection nozzles) and they have a few bends on them so slipping on the ring magnets will probably pose a significant problem geometry-wise because in order to slip on the magnets they have to have a central opening large and that would significantly reduce the magnetic flux in the center. On the other hand one could use NdFeB magnets to get appropriate weak magnetic flux in the tube center.

The other problem is that those fuel lines have molded pressure connectors (I don't know the exact English term) on their endings in order to fit them to the nozzles. The problem is that those connectors are even larger than the fuel line itself so the magnet should be even larger.

As far as I see the only problem with testing this concept is the practical way to mount ring magnets.

[ANTIQUER]

I just checked out with my car mechanic friend a number of high pressure fuel tubes on various Japanese, Korean and European cars. Virtually all of the new cars we checked on have rubber hose with plastic tubing inside.

Two problems I see with those fuel line is the fact that they're not flexible (they're made exactly to go to fuel injection nozzles) and they have a few bends on them so slipping on the ring magnets will probably pose a significant problem geometry-wise because in order to slip on the magnets they have to have a central opening large and that would significantly reduce the magnetic flux in the center. On the other hand one could use NdFeB magnets to get appropriate weak magnetic flux in the tube center.

The other problem is that those fuel lines have molded pressure connectors (I don't know the exact English term) on their endings in order to fit them to the nozzles. The problem is that those connectors are even larger than the fuel line itself so the magnet should be even larger.

As far as I see the only problem with testing this concept is the practical way to mount ring magnets.

Hi Lighty!
I think it would be easy to put 2 to 6 ceramic bar magnets around your fuel line by taping them together as Jetijs did or just stick them to the plastic with super-glue gel & then use nylon ties to hold them in place as soon as the superglue sets; or you could use Velcro instead of plastic ties.
As for using rubber fuel lines I took a piece of 5/16", put 120lbs. of pressure in it & heated it with a 700 degree heat gun for 10 min.(until the rubber was smoking) with no visible effect on the hose; that should replace any fuel line I know of with no problems. I used to have a Ford E-350 truck with a 350 v-8 engine (fuel injected). The fuel filter was in line & attached in the middle of the steel fuel line with 2 short pieces of rubber fuel line & 4 hose clamps (O.E.M.) I agree with Peter the steel lines & fancy fuel filter arrangements are mostly to thwart attempts to use magnets(and also to make repairs,etc. more difficult).
I hope you get the magnets on shortly & post results. You can get those ceramic bar magnets at Home Depot If you have one close.

[lighty]

@ANTIQUER

Well, personally I do not believe in conspiracy theory related to the fuel lines in cars. As I said- I haven't find a single iron reinforced hose in my Korean car and in most new Japanese and European cars. Sorry but evidences doesn't support that theory.

As for the magnets there are some things to consider- just taping a few magnets won't give you homogenous magnetic field and you will get a number of smaller reversed polarity field between the primary ones. That 's why I suggested using a ferrite tube in order to equalize and homogenize those fields to some extent.

As for the magnets- I'm not from the US but since my friend have a small company importing magnets for industry I have easy and cheap access to various forms and strength magnets (mostly NdFeB I'm afraid).

Regarding measurement of results I'm afraid it simply cannot be done reliably installing the system on the car engine especially the ones that uses car computer to compensate for various outside parameters. One would have to use test-bench measurements (I do have access to that equipment but simply don't have time to make it happen) or using simpler methods- one could use portable electrical generator. It always have constant load (to be exact it has to be used without any load) and the main parameters don't change with time.

For example I would fire up the generator (without any load connected and without magnets added to the fuel line), wait for 5-10 minutes for engine to reach working temperature and then I would add a fuel to the exactly marked level in the reservoir (it would help if the reservoir is transparent but it isn't necessary one can easily use a dipstick). Then, after a precise amount of time (60 minutes at least in order to allow for significant difference to aggregate) I would turn off the generator and add fuel to the previously marked level while measuring precisely how much fuel was added. After that I would add magnets on the fuel line and repeat the exactly same procedure as in the first case. Two experiments would have to be done immediately one after another in the same location in order to prevent the change in atmosphere barometric pressure and temperature to affect the results. Several runs of both measurement would be needed in order to establish at least some statistical relevance. The same batch of fuel would also need to be used for all the measurements etc. Then, and only then you can get at least somewhat precise measurement while reducing outside variables as much as possible.

[brkooduh66]

make your own Magnetic Fuel Saver on the cheep

Go to McMaster-Carr:
1- 54605K34, Low Pressure SAE Fuel Hose 3/8" ID, 5/8" OD, 50 PSI, 2 ft
2- 5856K4, High-Temp Ceramic Ring Magnet 1.08"OD X .597"ID, 1/4" Thick, .75 Pull lbs, 32 ea
3- 5388K16, Worm-Drive Hose Clamp 7/16" to 25/32" Range, 2 pack of 10

I bought 2 feet of hose, and 32 rings, and 20 clamps for a total of $25.50. Enough materials to build 8 of you own Magnetic Fuel Savers on the cheep. Use one, and set up your family and friends for $3.20 each.

Cut a 3 inch piece of tube squeeze 4 rings over the tubing (all facing same direction...i left 1/2" between each ring). put a hose clamp on each end. install it somewhere in your fuel line close to the carberator as you can, NORTH pole towards the carb (your choice how you get it inline)

You are welcome,
brkooduh66

[dubsta]

If your car has a carb, I don't doubt this could be helpful...for modern day ECU driven vehicles with STOICH so tightly adhered too by the computer it would be very hard for this to make a significant gain.

Anyone else think different?

[elias]

A Study Of Magnetic Effects On The Physicochemical Properties Of Individual Eydrocarb

Hi

This study might be useful, the author claims that magnetic fields can decrease the viscosity of a hydrocarbon fuel.

Elias

[ashtweth]

Elias Thanks man!

[amtmagnet]

amtmag

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[Aaron]

Magnetic Fuel Saver | Fuel Treatment with Magnets

Here's my first post on this topic at my blog and more to come. I hope
everyone finds it informative.

Magnetic Fuel Saver | Debunking Mainstream Pseudoscience | Aaron Murakami's Blog

[hijacker]

Here's my first post on this topic at my blog and more to come. I hope
everyone finds it informative.

Magnetic Fuel Saver | Debunking Mainstream Pseudoscience | Aaron Murakami's Blog

Hi,
nice article over there, I have submitted a reply asking for more information about the actual implementation.

Can you shed some light on this please?

Do we need to achieve alternating magnetic fields by placing the magnets in this order:

N S N S N S
FUEL LINE
S N S N S N

Or is it enough to just have one pole like this:

NN
SS
FUEL LINE


or

SS
NN
FUEL LINE


Which is the most efficient method? Also what magnets are best to be used?

Thanks in advance!
-Nik

[yeron]

magnetic fuel enhancer leedskalnin style

Hello to you all
Bit of an old thread .

Maybe a stupid idea but........

Has anyone tried a (modified) version of the leedskalnin pmh on a fuel line ?
The theory on that is that individual north and south magnets are flowing inside the system and leaving and entering the system continuously.

Just an idea :
Build the pmh as normal but instead of a massive "soft"' iron bar do that with a hollow thick pipe so the flux path is created around a fuel line.
What i mean is mount the fuel line inside of the whole pmh following the path of the magnetic current .

Like the model of emery but use a thick pipe bend in a u shape
cover the ends with a thick iron bar and drill holes at the points where the two ends of the u shape meet and touch the bar.
Feed the fuel line throe the whole pmh north to south or south to north.


Anyone tried this yet?

Again ,may be a stupid idea but in my own observations on the pmh it seems that the forces involved are somewhat a sort of a living thing and since fuel is a ""dead"" fossil .....

It maybe as weird as the joe cell story ,there is more to these sytems than meet the "(educated)'' eye /ear /nose .......

Greetings from Holland

Yeron

[Aaron]

PMH fluid conditioning

Yeron,

That would be an interesting experiment. Would probably work but I
don't see any extra advantage over permanent magnets. If the
polarity is right in relation to the direction of fluid movement - would
probably give same effect as permanent magnets.

[yeron]

magnetic fuel enhancer leedskalnin style

Hello Aaron

Thanks for your reply
I was just thinking of ways to tackle the mileage on my car.
One of them is try out your ideas of plasma ignition in combination with water mist "" ïnjection"".(vacuum air manifold)
It makes sense to me using just fine pure water in microscopic mist by using a ultrasonic mistmaker as these are available.
Driving in misty conditions has the effect of smooth running of the engine.
Some people have tested this so something to think about.

i have orderd a peace of OBD2 equipment for my car to get realtime readouts of the sensors. Mainly the lambda sensor readout is important so i can trick the computer if necessary by altering the voltage signal.
If the signals indicate that there is more oxygen the computer will add more fuel even when it is because there is a better combustion .
Could be very interesting to see more data on what the car is doing .

I already have done some experiments on a 1989 toyota carina (carburator) with a HHO cell in combination with a lambda signal tweak so the computer always thinks he has got the ideal mixture.
Got 20 km on one liter instead of 15 to one.
Seemed to work very well until the cell got completely clogged up by corrosion.
The guy i bougt it from has lied about the quality of the ss steel plates.
took it for a test measurement at the lokal scrap dealer an he confirmed Bad 304 instead of the minimum 316l plates.
This car is still on the road running perfect no damage done.

This next experiment will be on a Mitsubishi lancer 1998 injection.
A combination of watervapor and if the infos in your book are complete enough to build a plasma ignition i will do that.

I will order the ignition secrets download from you i think .
and maybe tinkering about with magnets or the leedskalnin pmh on the fuel lines.


Greetings

Yeron