Magnetic Fuel Savers

[Jetijs]

Yeron, your hho cell will degrade no matter what steel type if you wond use pure distilled water and KOH or NaOH as electrolyte. Tap water has many minerals in it, and using soda or salt as electrolyte will eat you steel plates up quickly leaving just gunk. That will happen even to 316 grade steel. So use only distilled water and right electrolytes and you will be fine.

[Aaron]

mileage

Hello Aaron

Thanks for your reply
I was just thinking of ways to tackle the mileage on my car.
One of them is try out your ideas of plasma ignition in combination with water mist "" ïnjection"".(vacuum air manifold)
It makes sense to me using just fine pure water in microscopic mist by using a ultrasonic mistmaker as these are available.
Driving in misty conditions has the effect of smooth running of the engine.
Some people have tested this so something to think about.

i have orderd a peace of OBD2 equipment for my car to get realtime readouts of the sensors. Mainly the lambda sensor readout is important so i can trick the computer if necessary by altering the voltage signal.
If the signals indicate that there is more oxygen the computer will add more fuel even when it is because there is a better combustion .
Could be very interesting to see more data on what the car is doing .

I already have done some experiments on a 1989 toyota carina (carburator) with a HHO cell in combination with a lambda signal tweak so the computer always thinks he has got the ideal mixture.
Got 20 km on one liter instead of 15 to one.
Seemed to work very well until the cell got completely clogged up by corrosion.
The guy i bougt it from has lied about the quality of the ss steel plates.
took it for a test measurement at the lokal scrap dealer an he confirmed Bad 304 instead of the minimum 316l plates.
This car is still on the road running perfect no damage done.

This next experiment will be on a Mitsubishi lancer 1998 injection.
A combination of watervapor and if the infos in your book are complete enough to build a plasma ignition i will do that.

I will order the ignition secrets download from you i think .
and maybe tinkering about with magnets or the leedskalnin pmh on the fuel lines.


Greetings

Yeron

Yeron,

It would be easiest to use permanent magnets in the way that
the Magnet Secrets book by Peter Lindemann describes or just
get them from http://www.magnetizerproducts.com/magnetizer

I went from 17 to 20 mpg in the city with a 2.5 liter Subaru boxer engine
after I put on the gasoline maximizer set. The only other modification
on the car is racing headers, which would have dropped the city mileage
a bit but increased the highway mileage. Anyway, 17 to 20 is about a
15% difference.

Using PMH would be overkill for this application - the magnetic field
won't do anything different than what permanent magnets will do.

I got rid of a Honda Civic that I did a lot of tests on but want to get
another one for testing - but I want a VX model, which is hard to come
by.

Plasma, water injection or hho, EFIE, and magnets should all be synergistic.

Other things you can consider are condensators (with silica gel filter
for the blow by output - adsorption) - only clean vapor returns to the
engine.

Depending on if you do mostly city or highway driving, a slightly larger
exhaust to reduce back pressure and a cold air intake system.

But one of the most significant differences you can make, which is not
practical for most people is the aerodynamics by making the back end
of your car like a tear drop so to speak - with that, someone got almost
100 mpg in a Honda Civic.

[lance_cory]

I can only add a little here . . .

Hi,
I work for a company that produces magnetic filtration devices. We have investigated other uses of magnetic technology in the automotive field, including magnetic fuel savers. In out experiments, we used only Neodymium (neodymium iron boron, NdFeB) magnets. We tried them with North poles facing the fuel, Spout poles facing the fuel, combinations such that the fuel went through North and South fields alternately. We also varied the space between the magnets and the fuel lines to effect changes in field strength. Our testing was not very sophisticated. We used various employer cars, both gasoline and diesel, and we did out testing a various steady state speeds, on days when there was no wind, and temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure were withing a few percentage points.
Our fuel consumption was mesured with on board flow meters and a lap top computer as a data logger. Our initial tests were such, that we saw very little variation in fuel mileage, and no consistency such that we could get a predictable and significant improvement. Because of this, we discontinued the program as not being worth further investment of resources.
We had looked into a few studies done at universities on this, and found one that seemed credible. However, it was on a steady state diesel generator, a situation and application that bore little similarity to automobile use. It was however, enough to convince us that there was something to the concept, and so we blew a few thousand dollars on primitive R&D to satisfy our curiosity.
I offer this as one who had a professional interest in this prinicple working, as it could have been a money maker for us. In reality, it still could be. We could be selling fuel savers as other do, and making sales and profit based on psuedo science and conjured explanations, but we will not do so. Our reputation is important, and our principles are dear to us. We could have formed another company in order to keep out reputation intact, but we just cannot rob people.
For those interested, here is a link to a sight were testing was done on a few different types of fuel savers - magnetic, water injection, vortex inducers.
Just in case anyone wonders about whether magnets work to change signals at stubborn intersections (sometimes motorcycles and bicycles lack enough magnetic mass to alter the inductance in buried sensor coils), we experimented with that also. The results were mixed. We definetly could get it to work reliably at some intersections, but not at all. We felt they would be worthwhile in a lot of instances, but because of the uncertainty of the results, we were (and are) reluctant to enter that market, though we have not ruled it out.
I know this is an old thread, but I though this info might be useful to future veiwers of the thread, maybe help save someone a few dollars and some wasted time.
On the other hand, just because we were not able to create any fuel savings with magnets (apart from marginal long term savings through magnetic filtration), does not mean necessarily that some innovator will not find a way to get them to work. However, I would not invest any money in that until such time that independent, verifiable and reputable testing shows them to be worthwhile.
Since this is about saving fuel (I think) I will add one thing from personal experience. The only bolt on that I have used that significantly altered my fuel mileage for the better (not counting things that modified the system - like less restrictive exhaust) was a front spoiler / air dam on a 1978 Chevrolet 1 Ton van with a 350 cu. in. motor and a 3 speed automatic transmission. I had long term fuel usage records both before and after that addition, and it provided a solid 20% improvement in combined city/highway driving. Given the aerodynamic nature of the device, I assume that the improvement was all in the highway portion. Since my driving was mostly city, I suspect that the highway mileage was increased greatly to register a 20% improvement overall.

[magtech]

magnetic fuel saver is really a kind of GREEN energy-saving tools for cars, bus etc.

Elias,

If it "doesn't really have any effect", then it is NOT worth it, and you were CHEATED! Before you spend even $15, try this. Take three of the little ceramic magnets (1 inch by 2 inch) used in SSG systems, and place them on a section of NON-IRON fuel line with all North Poles facing the fuel line. They will try to repel each other, so wrap them on tightly with plastic tape.

This will approximate a system with parallel lines of force with a North Pole exit. You should be able to do this yourself, easily and not have to buy anything else.

This is where a reasonable experiment should begin.

Another configuration that should work even better would be to take 8 of the 1 x 2 ceramic magnets and place two stacks of 4 magnets on each side of the fuel line, with the South Poles facing the fuel tank and the North Poles facing the engine. This approximates the ring magnet arrangement even better, with parallel lines of force running along the fuel line for 2 inches.

Try these experiments and let us know how they work.

Peter

i quite agree with what Peter told here. magnetic fuel saver is really a kind of GREEN energy-saving tools for cars, buses, vehicles, trucks etc. i am now using it on my private car. it save more fuel cost for me each month. i bought it here. you can get it here: MAGTECH-Your One-Stop Magnetic Tools Shop - Small Orders Online Store, Hot Selling Permanent magnetic lifter,magnetic lifter,lifting magnets and more on Aliexpress.com
just have a try! you will be surprised with its benefit! wish you good luck!

Howard

[Aaron]

Magnetic Fuel Savers

For those interested, here is a link to a sight were testing was done on a few different types of fuel savers - magnetic, water injection, vortex inducers.

That article in Popular Mechanics is nothing but pure quack science.

I refute some of the bogus misinformation in that article here: Magnetic Fuel Saver | Debunking Mainstream Pseudoscience | Aaron Murakami's Blog

[jydenleif]

test of fuel save on

My cars gas mileage keeps improving. Now it has reached 12.6 kilometers per liter. That is already 4% fuel economy. Again, these numbers should not be taken too seriously, but if you have these magnets laying around, it would just stupid not to use them on your car. You can't lose anything.

Hi

what was the finally result of your results of test thise magnetics ?

best wishes Leif

[Cycle]

If the signals indicate that there is more oxygen the computer will add more fuel even when it is because there is a better combustion .

Hi, yeron.

I'm confused about something. Coming from a mechanical engineering background with 25+ years experience in boiler operation, my experience has been that when combustion efficiency is improved, the oxygen content in the exhaust stream goes *down*... more of the fuel is being burned, which is consuming more of the oxygen. In boiler operation (at least for the boilers I currently operate), we're aiming for about 3.7% oxygen in the exhaust stream, so if we improve combustion efficiency, we have to either let in more air (open the forced air inlet dampers a bit), or cut back on exhaust gas recirc (EGR) (close the EGR dampers a bit).

Doesn't an engine work the same way? If you increase the amount of fuel being burned during any given combustion cycle, the amount of oxygen consumed increases, thereby giving a lower oxygen content in the exhaust stream?

[wrtner]

This approximates the ring magnet arrangement even better, with parallel lines of force running along the fuel line for 2 inches.

The ring magnets in microwave ovens (in the magnetron) should do nicely, especially since recycling centres are glad to give away the ovens. About 2.5 inch outside diameter, two per oven. N and S on the large surfaces.

High Performance Permanent Ferrite Ring Magnet

[sprocket]

I tried this for almost a year - eight 50 x 5 x 5 neos stuck to a piece of tin wrapped around the fuel-line in the hope it would help generate a more even magnetic field. There was no improvement whatsoever in fuel consumption. One more thing that doesn't work crossed off my list...

[wrtner]

I tried this for almost a year - eight 50 x 5 x 5 neos stuck to a piece of tin wrapped around the fuel-line in the hope it would help generate a more even magnetic field. There was no improvement whatsoever in fuel consumption. One more thing that doesn't work crossed off my list...

It doesn't look as if you arranged them as Peter suggested, i.e. providing a resultant mag field which runs up the fuel pipe.

[BroMikey]

Hello Aaron
I want to help a person who can't afford the gas to drive her Durango
by using magnets on the fuel lines. Does anyone has any data here
that they work? Or are they only a 3% boost?

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rYHihCBSEk[/VIDEO]

[Pot head]

Heating the fuel to expansion and then nebulizing before ignition, focusing the combusted mix into a turbo charger; beyond his performance spark plugs, what I just wrote will work better than the magnets,
But this is only my opinion.
If the turbo was hooked together with magnet powered coil energy, fuel costs would go down and then run on battery for the highway.
Hybrid thought of me.
Corn diesel would fit into the senario much more cheaply.

[Stealth]

Not only will magnets, correctly oriented, reduced fuel consumption, by helping to break up the hydrocarbons, but will also break up the calcium in hard water to make the water to become more easily saturated with soaps and detergents to allow for less usage. It will also help eliminate buildup in hot water tanks and also help to keep kidney stones from forming in most cases. Where I live in the southeastern mountains, hard water is in most of our water. I have used magnets on my fuel lines for years, as well as on my plastic water pipes, although I no longer use a tank type hot water heater. Hope this helps. Good Luck. stealth