The secret to extracting mechanical energy out of SSG

[theremart]

Got some energy out today.

Today I took a small toy car motor and I found an knob off of an stereo I took apart. I heated the tip of the motor till it was very hot then pressed it into the knob. To the knob I put two small Neos on one north, one south. And then took this and put it up to my motor.

ZOOM!

It takes some pratice to get it just right, the timing has to be there. But I got .15 to .29 V out back out of this small motor with the magnets. Not much, but it showed me that this has potential. I am thinking...... Maybee a larger wheel on my old vacuum sweeper motor hmmmm.....


Note: the magnets I had on the wheel I was spining agains was North South North south, and they were neos as well. So distance is key... I had about 2- 3 inches and I found putting this at an angle helped alot. I am thinking of when I find an good place to put this, that I will simply build a bracket to hold it in place. It sorta acts like a flywheel in a way, when it builds up energy, it can return it back to the primary. It all has to do with timing, they both have to be playing the same song.

FYI.

Mart

[theremart]

Youtube video...

YouTube - Video 21. VOLTAGE OUT AT LAST :-) SSG

I have put a windmill generator on the SSG, getting a little voltage out, though I would share.

[peper10]

Find something interesting!!!!!

I to everybody!!!!
I found something interesting on Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices.
It's on the first tread.It's call MAGNET POWER. Scrool down and look for
the(Phi transformer). It's worth a look because they claim it have a cop of
8.5,amazing hey..
They also claim that a 140 watts could produce 1200 watts.
peper10

[cdsalmons]

This is great!

Has anyone tested this design to see if it is true!? If we can run a 5HP motor (Well 2.5 after conversion) for 40 watts, that could solve many problems. If no one has already, I think we should look more into this!

THANK YOU!

The more I look at this, the more I am thinking that I am liking the Muller design of a generator. Less drag, and better output perfect for the SSG.
It uses less copper too!

Instructions on building a Muller generator:
http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/32magnetrotor.html

I had been focusing on a wind genererator, but the Muller design just makes much more sense.

[theremart]

RE: is this true?

Has anyone tested this design to see if it is true!? If we can run a 5HP motor (Well 2.5 after conversion) for 40 watts, that could solve many problems. If no one has already, I think we should look more into this!

I have just completed putting the RV together. When I tried to put a load on it (pushing very hard with a piece of wood ) it did not slow down. However.... as I got to thinking about it neither does my 18V drill. I am thinking the Prony tester that is listed on that page may give me a good idea of how much torque is in my motor. but this question might be better answered in the RV ( rotoverter thread ). Ash is a big supporter of this, and answer questions about this. I am just starting to investigate this.

[elias]

Hi Elias, and thanks for your reply. When you say, "1.5 times the width," are you referring to the width of spacing, or to the actual magnet width? BTW, what was the actual number of magnets used on your larger rotor? I could count the magnets on the smaller one, but could only guess as to the larger rotor. As I mentioned earlier, I am using 14" and 7" rotors for my project, and I have already purchased these. That gives me perimeters of 44" and 22" respectively. The smaller rotor is rated for more than 13,000 rpm, so I am wondering if a 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 magnetic gear ratio, allowing the smaller rotor to rotate 3 to 4 times the speed of the larger rotor, would be appropriate. If so, do you think that a 3:1 magnet ratio of 22:7 or 18:6, or a 4:1 ratio of 20:5 or 16:4 would be advisable? I am wondering what your best guesstimate would be. Obviously the 16:4 magnet ratio would be the least expensive to build, and would also yield the greatest rpm if it works well. I plan on using diametrically magnetized Nd ring magnets (see K&J Magnetics - Products ) mounted on the side of my smaller rotor (out to the perimeter) using stainless steel screws, and this will allow for easy and infinite adjustments of the magnet alignments for the best repulsion results. As per your suggestions, I will use magnets of lesser strength on the smaller rotor, and will experiment with different rotor alignments to see what works best. Your perpendicular suggestion may well be the best solution. I will definitely keep you posted on my assembly stages and running results. Again, I thank you profusely for your assistance.

Best regards, Rickoff

Dear Rickoff,

I think it is better to use smaller magnets for your smaller rotor, perhaps your rotors must have spacings between their magnets at most 1.5 width of the magnet widths on the corresponding rotors.

FOR EXAMPLE
Small rotor magnet widths = 1U
Large rotor magnet widths = 2U
Small rotor spacings = 2.5U
Large rotor spacings = 1.5U

Or FOR EXAMPLE
Small rotor magnet widths = 1U
Large rotor magnet widths = 1.5U
Small rotor spacings = 1.75U
Large rotor spacings = 1.25U

Choose the widths according to the magnets strengths. Coupling the magnets more tightly would make the rotor be in sync with each-other much easily, But I don't know if it will have any effect on the output or not. We want to put less drag on the main rotor as much as we can. I think that smaller magnets for the smaller rotor would put less drag on the main large rotor.

i used 9 magnets for my larger wheel. The RPMs are directly proportional to the number of magnets on your wheels.

I would be posting more here as I build a functional unit for mechanical energy conversion.

Stick with smaller width magnet on your smaller rotor instead of weaker magnets! weaker magnets may get demagnetized by the stronger magnets on your larger wheel.

Good Luck
Elias

[elias]

A new design

Hi all!

I came up with a new design. Any opinions regarding this design?

Elias

[theremart]

RE: design.

Hi all!

I came up with a new design. Any opinions regarding this design?

Elias

interesting...

I just watched the video "Energy from the vacuum 4" my whole way of looking at magnets has changed.

The comment where he says "iron filings are miniture magnets" and they are not a good way to map a magnetic field... " that just makes so much sense to me.

Also, after watching Energy from the Vacuum 2 again, I think about the magnets devices JB had that just ran themselves. In the video he shows one that goes over the top.... I still am thinkin'.... Howd he do dat!

[Jetijs]

mart,
I also have verified, that iron filings do not show the magnetic field correctly. You can use a special magnetic viewing film to see for yourself:


You see how the field looks like? That is exactly why such things as Perendev motors could work.

elias - good work, I love the design

[Sephiroth]

Hi Jetijs,

I am not familiar with the film you are using... I have heard of it though could you please explain what your photo show?

[Jetijs]

Hi,
the film shows the magnetic field of a magnet that is put under the film. The magnet shape and poles are just as marked on the photo. You can see that there is no lines that come out from one pole and go right to other pole, like iron fillings would show. Instead the force/flux (whatever that is) is coming out from the poles and going to the middle point of the magnet. You can get such a film here:
Viewer Film & Filings...

[Sephiroth]

hmmmm

That is interesting and leads to many more questions. Will definatly have to get some of that film and see how a field behave under different conditions... maybe it is worth opening another thread about this?

[Jetijs]

I think that this thread would be right:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...dev-motor.html

[Aaron]

magnetic film

This film is fairly inexpensive. And to keep in mind, it is a 2 dimensional view. John Bedini has some great 3 dimensional drawings of the magnetic fields.

[Jetijs]

any links?