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    Hello everyone,

    I made a discovery today, which amazed me at how much potential has the SSG to put out mechanical energy which has not been discussed elsewhere. Here I am amazed to share this secret with my friends here, to see it replicated to the utmost degree. I actually have used the magnetic wind around the wheel to produce this effect. Well I searched the internet for magnetic gears and I found this patent: Magnetic transmission - Patent 7105968. Now I think that these devices can become over-unity in certain circumstances or are over-unity.

    Here is what I have done:
    I had built a small SSG before, which was left unused so I used its rotor and coupled it to my larger SSG's rotor magnetically. Now what I did, I didn't use any torque measuring device, but the test I did by hand was enough in my opinion to show me that something extra is being produced in the secondary magnetically coupled rotor. I could very easily stop my larger rotor with hand, VERY EASILY. But The smaller rotor, which has more RPMs too, COULD NOT BE STOPPED AT ALL! I tried holding the shaft of it as hard as I could but no stopping, but warming up of my hand, then I tried stopping it by pressing my hand on the rotor, but no stopping, and my hand almost burnt. At last I got to hold the magnets, and my magnets flew off. What can one conclude by this? I concluded that I am getting much higher torque on my smaller rotor.

    I don't know why this happens, but I am only reporting what happened in my experiment, for others to experiment too. I don't know if normal magnetic gears can do this or not. Maybe it is related to the MASS of the rotor or the speed of it or the size of it, who knows. I am eager to hear results from other people too. I will keep posting as I find more results.

    Elias
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  • #2
    Hi all,

    I remembered the Naudin's page on experimenting with the tangential force of magnets and repulsive forces. See http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2magpup.htm.

    I think that one cause for higher torque on my little rotor magnetically coupled to the larger rotor is that the smaller rotor utilizes more of the repulsive force, thus adds the magnetic repulsive force component to the resulted torque. I think that maybe smaller rotors can produce even more torque. My estimate is that the torque doubles in this configuration. Now imagine what would NdFeB Magnets do!

    Regards
    Elias
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    • #3
      Elias, nice experiment
      What about the amp draw on the primary, when you couple your SSG rotor to the bigger rotor?
      Sounds like you are getting some sort of magnetic flywheel effect. If those rotors were simple gears, then the bigger gear should have less speed but more torque, but in your case the opposite happens, more torque is on the smaller rotor.
      Very interesting indeed.
      It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
        Elias, nice experiment
        What about the amp draw on the primary, when you couple your SSG rotor to the bigger rotor?
        Sounds like you are getting some sort of magnetic flywheel effect. If those rotors were simple gears, then the bigger gear should have less speed but more torque, but in your case the opposite happens, more torque is on the smaller rotor.
        Very interesting indeed.
        Jetijs,

        What I actually did was run my big SSG, while coupling a small SSG rotor to it magnetically, and the small rotor happens to produce more torque than the primary running rotor. It is very much different from coupling a small gear and a big gear together mechanically, because the smaller rotor in this case seems to have more torque and more RPM. I think that this effect is similar to the effect mentioned in Naudin's website.

        Two forces are responsible for rotating my smaller rotor:
        1- The tangential force of the magnet on the larger wheel, which produces some drag on my large wheel.
        2- The repulsive force of the magnet on the larger wheel, which moves the magnet on the smaller wheel perpendicularly away from my larger wheel, and has no drag on the rotor.

        These forces combined I think result in much higher torque output. This experiment has really motivated me to couple a small wheel permanently to my SSG, And then see how much I can generate from it. Neo magnets are my next choice, after achieving more numbered results.

        Edit: NdFeB magnets in repulsion with ceramic ones, can harm the ceramic magnets, so I'd prefer use them in attraction.

        Elias
        Last edited by elias; 01-29-2008, 07:57 AM.
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        • #5
          Ok, I understand now. Nevertheless I would like how this two SSG coupling affected the current draw from both of the SSG's.
          It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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          • #6
            then the next step would to hook your little wheel to a pulley/belt and drive an alternator/generator.

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            • #7
              Nice!

              My BIG neos come in TODAY!

              140lb pulling force


              I would like to see a photo of how you coupled these magnets together. It looks like spacing is key, to this.

              warning my neighbors about flying magnets



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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                Ok, I understand now. Nevertheless I would like how this two SSG coupling affected the current draw from both of the SSG's.
                Jetijs,

                I only power my big SSG not both of them! I haven't thought of powering both of them. I used it for testing, If I add a rotor it would be only a rotor, with no pulsing coils, but maybe, generator coils. The two SSGs will interfere with each other if both are powered and create drag. The small rotor should be free to spin, and of course to generate mechanical energy. As I am testing it I am getting more sure of the excess torque. The magnets are adding their repulsive force to the small rotor besides our own primary input. I am really getting excited about this.


                Elias
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                • #9
                  Elias, now I get it
                  BTW, Hi there, Bryan. Long time not seen
                  Last edited by Jetijs; 01-28-2008, 09:05 PM.
                  It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                  • #10
                    Nds are too powerful

                    Originally posted by theremart View Post
                    My BIG neos come in TODAY!

                    140lb pulling force


                    I would like to see a photo of how you coupled these magnets together. It looks like spacing is key, to this.

                    warning my neighbors about flying magnets



                    he he
                    Hi theremart,

                    Just to say be careful with those Nds. They can weaken your ceramic magnets if they are used in repulsion with them. Repulsion of magnets can deplete them, if one of them is too strong can kill the other!! So If I were you I would use them in attraction arrangement.

                    Elias
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                    • #11
                      Elias,
                      Today I had some free time and I decided to try out this new concept that you discovered. I made a smaller rotor for my SSG and will test this out tomorrow, because it is already too late today and it takes some time for the glue, that are holding the magnets on the rotor to cure. I used the shaft and bearing system form my attraction motor. The diameter of the rotor is about 120mm. I machined the rotor so that the magnet spacing is about the same as in my big SSG wheel. Here are some pictures.






                      My SSG has 12 magnets on the big rotor so this will be ratio 2:1. Will see how this performs. If good, then I will try to attach my permanent magnet alternator to this.
                      Thanks,
                      Jetijs
                      It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                      • #12
                        Jetijs,

                        I am absolutely jealous of your machining skills and abilities. It's only been several hours from elias's original post and you have already produced a rotor and a stator assembly.
                        Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?

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                        • #13
                          Love it boys! your already on to it.

                          I agree about the led's elias, you need to see just how many you can place in the circuit before it starts to drag. My window does this.

                          I have heaps of stuff on alternator design guys this should prove interesting.

                          Nice work Jet!

                          Keep it up! Lets find a good core design that doesnt effect rotor dramatically.
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                          • #14
                            magnetic gear

                            Hi Elias,

                            About 6-7 years ago on my first skate wheel SG, I mounted a second wheel with magnets every 90 degrees a few cm's from the roller skate wheel. When running the SG, the 2nd wheel spun really good and I couldn't tell any change in input. It was very low torque but it definitely spun the wheel.

                            The wheel was a very light plastic rim and foam tire from a remote-control car. The concept definitely works and if you can get it to have the 2nd wheel turn with some power that would be really cool. I did it more as a novelty.
                            Sincerely,
                            Aaron Murakami

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                            • #15
                              Let me catch up!

                              Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                              Elias,
                              Today I had some free time and I decided to try out this new concept that you discovered. I made a smaller rotor for my SSG and will test this out tomorrow, because it is already too late today and it takes some time for the glue, that are holding the magnets on the rotor to cure. I used the shaft and bearing system form my attraction motor. The diameter of the rotor is about 120mm. I machined the rotor so that the magnet spacing is about the same as in my big SSG wheel. Here are some pictures.






                              My SSG has 12 magnets on the big rotor so this will be ratio 2:1. Will see how this performs. If good, then I will try to attach my permanent magnet alternator to this.
                              Thanks,
                              Jetijs
                              Jetijs,

                              I am amazed how fast you are!!! Hope you'll see any good effect out of this. The more I think about this, the more I understand that this effect must be because of the Push-Pull effect of the magnets, so I hope that your second rotor is small enough to show more torque power. The magnet comes by and "kicks" the magnet on the small rotor, and this is the extra force we are getting I suppose. Well done!

                              BTW, My rotor was about 9cm is diameter in relation to my larger one which is 18cm, I intend to make it about 6cm in diameter, with four magnets.

                              Aaron,
                              Good that you shared this experience, Maybe your roller skate motor's rotor was too small for this purpose? As I found out by experimenting, it seems that the faster my SSG runs the torque on my second rotor increases, but just a crude estimation. I was able to get out about 0.4W out of the SSG coil attached to my smaller wheel, without noticeable drag on it.

                              Elias
                              Last edited by elias; 01-29-2008, 07:51 AM.
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