John Kanzius

[illchemist]

Has anyone heard about Dr. John Kanzius and his device that 'burns' water using EM waves? I would like to hear what people think of this. It seems legit as it was confirmed at a Penn State University lab. That editor of Nature (on the wiki page) is akin to the Pope in the dark ages. He wrote the authoritative book on water so he must know everything about water, right?

I find it interesting that a fluoro bulb lights in the path of the EM beam. It is unfortunate that the patent has not been filed as of yet so there is no way to see how it works. Pulse waveforms of lasers can selectively break bonds and so can intense IR light but this seems slightly different. It dissociates the water molecules and spontaneously recombines them. There's a lot of energy in there, no?

YouTube - Saltwater Energy
John Kanzius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[theremart]

RE: burning water.

My only question as I watch his videos is how much energy is he using to generate the gas. It seems viable, but if it takes 3 X the energy, then it is not worth it.

It looks like a great idea.

[Solace]

I'd like to see more information on it but haven't seen any since it was first released.

They never discussed how much energy it took to get the fire going.

I wonder which frequency he used and why it works?

S

[Aaron]

microwave salt water

He was looking for a cancer cure I think and stumbled upon the phenomena.

It is microwaves getting salt water to burn I read.

[illchemist]

Yeah, he was doing research with single-walled carbon nanotubes and EM radiation as a treatment for cancer. Wiki says 100% success rate with rats?!? That is pretty amazing, if it's true. When I get some time, I'll try to find out some info on that as it probably will give some clues as to how this transmitter works.

[theremart]

RE waves killing cancer

Yeah, he was doing research with single-walled carbon nanotubes and EM radiation as a treatment for cancer. Wiki says 100% success rate with rats?!? That is pretty amazing, if it's true. When I get some time, I'll try to find out some info on that as it probably will give some clues as to how this transmitter works.

It is true. Look up Royal Rife on the net.

www.rife.org

Rife found the source of cancer, and cured it. ( you can even look were John Bedini verified it. )

My Work on Rife

FYI

[illchemist]

I have always been fascinated with Rife, Reich and Priore. I did not know that Bedini verified Rife's results. Thanks for the link! I will check it out right now.

What I was really interested in was the fact that he used carbon nanotubes in conjunction with the EM therapy. SWNT's can be good semiconductors and have interesting electrical properties. I wonder why he thought that they would be attracted to cancer cells? All they all are rolled-up graphite ribbons. No functional groups whatsoever.

[lighty]

Rife found the source of cancer, and cured it. ( you can even look were John Bedini verified it. )

Rife supposedly found a cure for cancer. BX virus was never filtered by anyone after him. IMO there are so many variations of human ailments that one definite cause of cancer cannot be found and there isn't any magical panacea to be found.

Lakhovsky MWO also showed some interesting results and a number of people got cured from cancer. Than again, a number of people didn't get cured. Again, MWO is not panacea.


BTW- Bedini verified capability of Rife technology to kill single cell organisms, he did not test his apparatus on any cancer patients (or at least he didn't publish it).

[theremart]

RE: Rife.

Rife supposedly found a cure for cancer. BX virus was never filtered by anyone after him. IMO there are so many variations of human ailments that one definite cause of cancer cannot be found and there isn't any magical panacea to be found.

Lakhovsky MWO also showed some interesting results and a number of people got cured from cancer. Than again, a number of people didn't get cured. Again, MWO is not panacea.


BTW- Bedini verified capability of Rife technology to kill single cell organisms, he did not test his apparatus on any cancer patients (or at least he didn't publish it).

My comment was related to the rats being cured by the waves. Rife also tested on many rats and they likewise were cured.

Thanks for reigning me in a bit

Mart

The Rife treatment does not cure everything, this is true. It has been misused by those whose motive is greed. ( John Crane )

I must agree with you that John Bedini never claimed to treat people in the same extent that Rife did, however the results that he has done has shown there is real substance to Rife's claim.

To see the filterable virus, one would have to have the Rife microscope. This could be why no one but Rife, and the inverter of the filterable media have achieved that where others have failed.

[lighty]

As I said- BX was never filtered by anyone after Rife. It's beside the point to discuss if one needs Rife microscope to achieve that as well or not. Until someone proves Rife's claims we can only say that Rife claimed something. That's the point of science- one's claims has to be verified by someone else in order for them to be accepted or at least considered valid.

Same rules applies to Bedini or anybody else. I am first to admit that his arguments and claims weigh heavily in my eyes but until someone verify and reproduce any of his claims, that's what they are- just claims. I played with several aspects of his systems and now I'm convinced that they are valid. I'm not saying that I suspected that he didn't tell the truth in the first place, but rather that I had to allow for the fact that he could possibly be misinterpreting the data. Even Tesla who I admire the most was very much in error in some of his arguments regarding both scientific as well as philosophical and social facts.

All I'm saying is that no one after Rife provided any proof that his assumptions about BX virus as a cause of cancer were correct. Therefore, I wouldn't claim which such certainty as you do that " Rife found the source of cancer, and cured it".

That being said, I'm not making any kind of personal attack but merely pointing to the fact that nothing should be taken for granted. Especially stuff that challenges the mainstream knowledge. We're all people, and fallible in every possible way.

[Doc]

He was looking for a cancer cure I think and stumbled upon the phenomena.

It is microwaves getting salt water to burn I read.

The problem with this discovery as far as a possible heat/energy source is that you need 200w of RF to generate the reaction. We use less power to send signals to mars. They will require an enourmous amount of money to research any adverse side effects caused to other cells. At 200w you would also have to consider the effects on people 200 miles away.

There are better more subtle ways to heal / treat cancer tumours and as far as an energy source, the RF power generated has too many unkowns on human physiology.

I think this one is going to fade into the distance.

[Tarkus]

Cancer help?

Probably wrong thread and part of the forum BUT

I keep bee's and have done a tremendous amount of reading and a little researching on bee venom and its uses. Turns out cancer is one very good use of bee venom.

No medically verified (most doctors wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole) tests or results but lots of accounts of tumors disappearing malignant and benign.

I wonder why the medical industry doesn't tell us about things like that.

But back to alternative energy, I tried to get the bee's to buzz at the proper frequencies but the water just wouldn't ignite

[amigo]

...because Pharma Industry (and their associated Medical professionals) is not in the business of curing people, only peddling the drugs and keeping the profits high.

[ashtweth]

Big Pharma Big repsonse needed

You can do some thing about Big pharma
Pharmaceutical

Ash