Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator Violates 3rd Law of Motion

[Shamus]

According to Peter Lindemann, the pendulum actually kills batteries. There is a thread in this forum which talks about it, although I'd be interested to hear Lee's experience with it.

[theremart]

According to Peter Lindemann, the pendulum actually kills batteries. There is a thread in this forum which talks about it, although I'd be interested to hear Lee's experience with it.

This is true if you have Bedinis circuit from the video, but if you just have a simple SSG circuit, then no problem.

[theremart]

This would be awesome on Veljko's device.

YouTube - Self running pendulum motor.

Self running pendulum motor....

[Sephiroth]

very nice!

[vzon17]

I believe Gary is on the right track.

Use the bicycle in reverse. Turn the wheel and see if he can stop the pedals.

The effect he is observing in his machine is a product of leverage. Once he uses reliable methods of measuring "power in - power out", he will see there is no over-unity here.

Inertia and gravity can be incredibly deceiving. Particularly if you add leverage to the equation.

ewebie

You need to look at your use of the term over unity. are you talking COP or efficiency? Efficiency can't be over 100 but COP can be very esily even if efficiency is way below 100 percent . So appliying the term over unity here needs to be specified as to uver unit What?

Over unity efficiency or over unity COP. over unity by itsel doesn't mean anything so your statement about overunity needs to be specified or erased.

All over unity means is "over 1", period . so if one uses the over unity term its good to finish it with a subject.

All language has two parts and people often only use one part and think it makses sense.

[theremart]

Pendulum...

The easy way...

Last night thought I would give a pendulum a try.... had a lot of fun doing it...

YouTube - Video 57 Pendulum fun.wmv

Now... want to try to work on a design of the Veljko with this to see if I can get it to go...

I am wondering what the max weight I can go with this so the electromagnet will push what I need.

[rickoff]

I am wondering what the max weight I can go with this so the electromagnet will push what I need.

I like it Mart.

Perhaps you could use a length of 2" diameter PVC pipe with a cap at the bottom end, and attach the magnet below the cap. Then start adding measured amounts of water to the pipe (a pint's a pound) to find your best weight-to-swing ratio.

What is your neo mag rated at?

Best wishes for the Holidays,

Rick

[theremart]

Re: Pvc

I like it Mart.

Perhaps you could use a length of 2" diameter PVC pipe with a cap at the bottom end, and attach the magnet below the cap. Then start adding measured amounts of water to the pipe (a pint's a pound) to find your best weight-to-swing ratio.

What is your neo mag rated at?

Best wishes for the Holidays,

Rick

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[ren]

However, it’s a whole different machine once it falls into resonance. The output becomes strong and regular, the pendulum takes very little energy to keep it swinging and you can see immediately what Milkovic is talking about.
You really need to build one and test it to get a better understanding of the principal involved. Then you can try and get it into resonance, which will teach you in no uncertain way the difference between a resonant and a non-resonant device.

Ted

Spot on Ted Read the patent people....

[Vortex]

Little bit of fly power to keep the pendulum swinging

This could be an efficient compressor making work extraction a bit
easier than trying to get it to do other mechanical work.

More work can be extracted from water than air.
Make it be a mechanical Ram Pump, instead of a hydraulic ram pump.
Mechanical Ram Pumps were used in the days of the steam engine .

What would this device look like? What can keep the pendulum swinging?

Just

[theremart]

Ok...

This is my first attempt at my idea of combining a Bedini with a 2 stage Oscillator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeX_Tst2tU

[Vortex]

This is my first attempt at my idea of combining a Bedini with a 2 stage Oscillator

YouTube - Video Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator with a Bedini pendulum.

Yes, this looks very interesting. Don't let this go.
This leverage could be used for electrical generation could it not?
OR Mechanical up/down motion changed to water, air or oil pumping?
To Pump air you need is one of these: YouTube - how to make a pneumatic engine

Here is more food for thought, I wasn't following what it was speaking
about but I'm not in the pendulum mindset as you are.
Maybe you'll understand it easier that I could.
Pendulum Thruster

Just
Randy

[dave_cahoon]

hi group;

There is a person who replicated this using the ratchet from a multi-speed bike.

The rocking motion on a fine servo motor will generate power regardless of the
direction. So I see one of these systems using a servo-generator not a ratchet
and another servo or a solenoid at the swinger axis.

Maybe where the up/down motion is greatest connect
a rack gear with a pinion gear on the servo....

I have had this high on the must try list.

The video most certainly shows him violating the 3rd.

I have replicated the straight wire oscillator there is no trickery in that...
Hint: Use the wire from the miss-dig utility marker flags, if you want to make a demo.

Dave

[Tehnoman]

This is my first attempt at my idea of combining a Bedini with a 2 stage Oscillator

YouTube - Video Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator with a Bedini pendulum.

Nice, looks good.

Now you just have to create a coil in other side, put powerful magnet on oscillator and make it move trough the coil. Use the magic of induction. If you will measure flowing current, you will be able to compare total power that we put into this system and total power we can get out of it.

P.S. And by the way, Newton's 3rd law has been brought to knees long ago with damn simple example - two charged particles flying in directions, which are perpendicular. After electrostatic and magnetic forces are examined, one can clearly see that in all time force is NOT equal opposite on each particle. Yet it can be shown, that in that system momentum is conserved.

[theremart]

RE: Idea..

Yes, this looks very interesting. Don't let this go.
This leverage could be used for electrical generation could it not?
OR Mechanical up/down motion changed to water, air or oil pumping?
To Pump air you need is one of these: YouTube - how to make a pneumatic engine

Here is more food for thought, I wasn't following what it was speaking
about but I'm not in the pendulum mindset as you are.
Maybe you'll understand it easier that I could.
Pendulum Thruster

Just
Randy

Thanks Randy for the encouragement,

I have been wanting to explore this idea for some time but only recently have I had the time to actually try something.

My circuit does not seem to do well on the charging battery to get it to keep charge. When my extra wire comes in I may jump up to 24V.

Thanks for the links you gave me, interesting what that young kid was doing with welding that air pump that he had...