Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator Violates 3rd Law of Motion

[marxist]

animal rocking

Hi Inquorate,
maybe you already know this video/build:
YouTube - Energia Perpetua Infinita

It is by an Italian, obviously, and there is a solenoid involved, but no power supply apart from gravity.

I don't know anything else about it and just wanted to post it because the movement of your "thing"
YouTube - gravity mill progress reminded me of it.

Good luck.

[Inquorate]

Thanks marxist!

Thankyou for the link, the machine looks impressive - I'll have to find someone who speaks italian now.

[Vortex]

A follow up is required

Hi Inquorate,
maybe you already know this video/build:
YouTube - Energia Perpetua Infinita

It is by an Italian, obviously, and there is a solenoid involved, but no power supply apart from gravity.

I don't know anything else about it and just wanted to post it because the movement of your "thing"
YouTube - gravity mill progress reminded me of it.

Good luck.

This is a dead-end for me in a follow up on the inventor, Gaspare, and
what is happening with this device.

Too many unknowns, someone, like Inquorate said "who speaks Italian", needs to put together some words used by the inventor in the video, to narrow down the search criteria.
Better yet, translate/narrate the entire video and publish it.

Google translation of the description of the Video.

The Title: Energia Perpetua Infinita did not translate to English?

Description:
Con questo macchinario inventato da Gaspare si ottiene un movimento infinito senza nessuna alimentazione. Il movimento si può trasformare in energia attraverso un semplice dinamo. Incredibile, si potrà trasformare il lavoro meccanico in energia elettrica, sotto forma di corrente continua perchè questo macchinario non smette mai di muoversi!

Translation:
With this machine invented by Gaspare you get an infinite movement without any food. The movement can be transformed into energy through a simple dynamo. Incredible, you can transform mechanical work into electrical energy in the form of direct current, because this machine never stops moving!

[Inquorate]

Rather large milestone in circuit to push the pendulum

If you haven't yet, please read the thread I made here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ransistor.html

One more step complete

And it only took three full days of experiments with circuits.

[CloudSeeder]

Your 1-2-3-4 drawing on Page 1 => http://www.energeticforum.com/662-post1.html is interesting, and the page an interesting read. A question: when the left end of the device impacts the anvil below it, doesn't that represent energy lost out of the system into the anvil?

I'm not versed in this device or its Pros and Cons. This is simply an off-the-cuff question. It seems that striking the anvil is Work done against the anvil.

Woodrow Riley, CloudSeeder

[Inquorate]

Work done

Yes, it is work done on the anvil. And if we clamped down the lever onto the arm of one veljko oscillator, so no work can be done, while letting an identical veljko oscillator do work on an identical anvil, we would be required to push both pendulum's with an equal amount of energy to keep both pendulums swinging at an identical rate.

In other words, once we are oscillating the pendulum, any work done by the lever arm on the anvil - doesn't cost anything!

The centrifugal force on the swinging pendulum makes the pendulum appear to 'weigh' more at the bottom of it's swing. This lifts the lever / hammer... At the apex of swing, the pendulum 'weighs' less, and the hammer / lever arm descends.

Gravity supplies most of the energy, we supply a small amount of energy to keep the pendulum swinging.

[CloudSeeder]

Are you saying make a double device like mirrored?

[CloudSeeder]

The story goes on Johann Bessler that he had assistants turning a small crank, adding a small force to bump his device along. So you're saying your device bumps another device along similarly.

I'm not opposed to using bumping techniques because the bumping mechanism can also serve as a system timer to keep them regulated.

And you have still gotten more Out than you have put In.

You're Cheating. My Gravity Wheel also cheats.

Cheating is a valid way of Winning.

There's an Old Saying that says "Good things come in pairs". Sometimes
we should listen to sayings passed down to us from the Ancients.

[Inquorate]

Bumps

@ cloud - to clarify just in case, I was saying that the pendulum swings independently of the lever / arm / hammer.

But if the pendulum is swinging, it will cause oscillations in the hammer for no extra cost from the pendulum.

Tests have been done that measure up to 12 times more work out than we must put in..

I am in the process of seeing how efficiently we can convert electrical input into the mechanical oscillator and how efficiently we can convert the mechanical work into electrical output..

We see so far because we stand on the shoulders of giants

[CloudSeeder]

Getting More Out than you have Put IN

Many of my inventions seem to contradict set rules but they do not and
I suspect yours doesn't either. Essentially, all we have done is design
the MECHANICAL EQUIVALENT OF A STEP-UP TRANSFORMER.

[CloudSeeder]

Same thing Johann Bessler did in 1712... but he painted himself into a damning corner by calling it perpetual motion, so he felt compelled to hide what he had done so he wouldn't lose face. He eventually got caught in his hiding the truth when his housekeeper ratted him out in Court years later, you see. Bessler had done nothing wrong I'm aware of other than fixing a working device that had a "trick" to it... a minor or "secondary" outside force.

Perpetual Motion is impossible, so he put himself into an impossible situation he couldn't win.

[darkwizard]

Cloud of course, you are totally right,

[CloudSeeder]

Thanks DarkWizard. I've been telling that message for 5 years. I know it's right, because one really Primary example of a Mechanical Equivalent of a Step Up transformer is the Jet Turbine.

If someone argues my point they also have to say jet turbines don't work.

Or even whew, a hand pump on a farm.

Power magnification is not "energy created from nothing".

[CloudSeeder]

Efficiency Gravy <> The Wheel

When you make a circular Step Up transformer that feeds back into itself in circles, that's where the full Efficiency Gravy comes in. With a circle yes, there are negatives, but if they are across from each other their negatives cancel each other out.

At a 180 degree opposite in the circle ~one heading one way the other the other way~ cancelled out as if they do not exist. So in my opinion the best expression of these principles will always be in a circle (or a circular design).

Electronic circuits are a very close second... but they are in a different class than pure Mechanical anyway.

Apples versus Oranges, both should work.

[Jetijs]

Today I thought about how loop back the output energy to the input energy. Electrical way is too complicated. So what I came up with is the following. Why could we not just use an air compressor on the up/down side. We would just need to convert the up/down movement into circular motion and that is easily done using something similar than those one cylinder lawnmover engines. This then would turn the air compressor and compress air into a compression tank. This compressed air then could be used to push the pendelum at apropriate times. With modern day pneumatic instruments this can be done easily. What do you think?

On the other hand, why do we even need the circular movement? We can only use the piston part of the compressor and use the up/down movement directly. This is also preferable because the up and down movements are not even and regular and this would not be good for getting a rotation movement.