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[mrbreau]

Experience is where it's at!

I spent most of this day taking computer fans apart. I have one wired and running, but I did that one some time ago and was really impressed with the results. Today, however, was a most discouraging day.

While I'm getting proficient taking the fan motors apart I'm also getting proficient at testing them before reassembly. For example, a cpu fan motor has a built in resistance so that it won't spin up to full potential after the hack. I've by-passed the resistor and pot on a Bedini setup and the fan still wouldn't spin up to full potential. With six or seven spikes in the waveform, the fan sounded like it was struggling.

A second cpu fan I tore down had four magnet poles and only two wired poles to connect to but four coils. I haven't seen this type of setup before. It looks like it would be an awesome charger from the size of the metal facing the magnets but the whole thing would have to be unwound and rewound. Sorry, but I'm not up to that.

Another case fan motor I took apart and tested showed no continuity on my meter but with a test light it showed to be working okay. I'm guessing that this fan motor also has some built in resistance since it won't dead-short to continuity.

The one motor that works good so far has 163VDC spikes, draws 250mA, and passes 11.2mA +/- to the charging battery. This particular charging battery is a 70Ah car battery converted to alum so this little charger is struggling. BTW, Lx is 3.8 on both windings +/-. And after three days charging, the battery is holding at 10.63VDC.

Something else; I don't remember seeing ANYWHERE that when we are wiring these motors to be sure that the coils are next to each other and not opposed each other. I had to redo my first successful motor to this configuration or it would not spin up. Maybae I missed it somewhere.

The bottom line? I'm that much closer to getting off the grid! PAH!

My thanks goes out to all who contributed to this forum.

Warren
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[mrbreau]

Now the work begins!

Hello y'all? I just got finished unloading 22 computers and 22 printers that someone was going to throw away. I'm in awe thinking about all the computer fans and other parts, not to mention the printers internal motors and other parts and wires. I am almost sure that these older units have easier hackable fans in them. Of the computers, I think two of them are salvageable for proper use, maybe even to use as a quasi o-scope if nothing else.

Just thought you'd all like to know.
Warren
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[mikkyo]

Something else; I don't remember seeing ANYWHERE that when we are wiring these motors to be sure that the coils are next to each other and not opposed each other. I had to redo my first successful motor to this configuration or it would not spin up. Maybae I missed it somewhere.

All my fans have the coils opposite and work fine.
It is just a matter of getting the polarity of the coils connected properly.

[mrbreau]

Thanks

That is something I'll have to try. I just don't know enough about this stuff.
Yet! Give me thirty or forty years and I MIGHT get it.

Warren
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[**~Imhotep~**]

Can be found at radio shack
Catalog number 273-0238

This fan has gigantic coils! and stator! Large and easy to get apart. Grip the stator gently start twisting continue until the assembly comes off. they use a rubbery black glue. It all comes apart really easy. Has great spikes extremely large. Extremely large assembly no more tiny wires or tiny stators. Its made of cast alum frame. Extremely well built. Lots of air output. Quite expensive, it cost about 19.99 at radio shack. But if you want one that is really easy to do this is the one to get, and it will last forever. They even include the schematic for the original circuit on the back of the carton, For anybody who wants to study the original circuits. I have powered it from 6 volts to 38 volts. At 38 volts the spikes were wild, through the roof. It will probably de-sulfate very quickly at that voltage. I will be using this one in my combination Imhotep IROL fan emergency combination. Which I will be revealing shortly.

[mrbreau]

Doh!

After watching the video for the kajillionth time I see that the coils are NOT opposed! What a jerk I am!

I'm just going to have to go a bit slower and triple check the triple checks.

I appreciate all the help.

Warren
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[mikkyo]

I managed to get the 2 transistor circuit going on a computer fan (original tape motor circuit with the opposing coils tapped for recovery).
The schematic was included in an early post but that link seems to have gone missing.
It seems to working well so far.
I haven't tuned it yet but it is charging nicely.

Edit: Found post with schematic, added photo
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post12157

[brusers]

Fan kit

Hello to all,

Thought I would give this little project a go, so I got the Bedini fan kit. In the instructions there it shows winding these coils single strand, and basically two opposing coils being the trigger, with the other two individual slave coils.. I noticed some people here were using bifilar windings. I tried to browse through first to see why, but didn't really find anything. Is there any advantage to doing it bifilar? I'm assuming it would be a bit faster.. Any advice would be great. Got one fan here, I'd like to make it count..
Thanks,

Marcel

[mikkyo]

I don't know if anyone has done a direct comparison of stock single wind vs bifilar.
I would make the fan work as is, and only rewind if you are unhappy with the results or you can't get it working, as winding those little stators is quite a pain.

[brusers]

Fan kit

Ah ok.
Well, I guess I'll start with that, and experiment with other windings after.
And I know what you are saying with the windings.
I have a 3" fan that I started messing with before I got the 5" fan kit.
The patience needed for a 3" is just about more than I can muster.. lol
I'll get started then, thanks,

Marcel

[Dingus]

Ok, so my last fan does virtually nothing. continuity read fine, generated nothing when spun. I'll try the unmodified version with the larger, expensive fan, but i'd really prefer to have a visible schematic first.

Also, i've been wondering if there is, or if anyone might know of a way of using the circuit it's self as a power source rather then needing to use it to charge a battery to use as a power supply. Or some means of switching between two or more batteries, while one is charging, the other is in use, then when it runs low, they switch?

[**~Imhotep~**]

Ok, so my last fan does virtually nothing. continuity read fine, generated nothing when spun. I'll try the unmodified version with the larger, expensive fan, but i'd really prefer to have a visible schematic first.

Also, i've been wondering if there is, or if anyone might know of a way of using the circuit it's self as a power source rather then needing to use it to charge a battery to use as a power supply. Or some means of switching between two or more batteries, while one is charging, the other is in use, then when it runs low, they switch?

in other threads they have switcher circuits . i have not tried them yet .because there is some losses i not sure if you can get these fans to self run .(i'm working on that). give it a go and see if the switcher circuits work and report any findings. if you need a schematic you can expand the picture of the package further back in the thread on a basic circuit for the large radio shack fan .all fan circuits are not the same, so it will not apply on all fans ,but the unmodified version just uses the coil post off the non common pole and hooks a diode off the trace to get some pulsing (it has a very little charge ability ,but you do not need to do a full mod and it still self starts (not a true bedini).but it does slowly energize a battery.

[**~Imhotep~**]

Hello to all,

Thought I would give this little project a go, so I got the Bedini fan kit. In the instructions there it shows winding these coils single strand, and basically two opposing coils being the trigger, with the other two individual slave coils.. I noticed some people here were using bifilar windings. I tried to browse through first to see why, but didn't really find anything. Is there any advantage to doing it bifilar? I'm assuming it would be a bit faster.. Any advice would be great. Got one fan here, I'd like to make it count..
Thanks,

Marcel

if you got rick's kit he has done all the homework and i would do it exactly as he states to do it, to get the biggest bang for your buck. i agree with mikkyo

[Dingus]

I'm sorry, I probably should have been a bit more specific. I was hoping a schematic of the unmodified version of the fan. I'm not very good at these types of things. (I don't even know what the non common pole is.)

in other threads they have switcher circuits . i have not tried them yet .because there is some losses i not sure if you can get these fans to self run .(i'm working on that). give it a go and see if the switcher circuits work and report any findings.

Oh, that's good.

[**~Imhotep~**]

I'm sorry, I probably should have been a bit more specific. I was hoping a schematic of the unmodified version of the fan. I'm not very good at these types of things. (I don't even know what the non common pole is.)

Oh, that's good.

if you look further back in the thread you will see a picture of the large fan circuit on the package.the common pole is the third post on the stator that has 2 wires soldered on it(if you look at the actual fan stator) ,the other two posts have 1 wire and that is where you can get the pulse off the windings with no modification (just solder a wire on either one of those posts that have 1 wire and hook charge diode's anode to the new wire and hook the cathode to the charge batteries positive and hook the charge batteries negative to the source supply positive and you are good to go.i will be posting a simple schematic soon.