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How To Test the Coil Circuits Without a Meter

On the stator, there's one of the three posts wich got 2 wires. all I did is to remove one of those two wires and resold it on the 4th post wich I added manually. Did I miss something ? Is there something else to do ?

Thank you very much for your help.

You did it correctly teslamaniac. Providing you added an extra wire?

If you have NO meter, use a small bulb and battery to test continuity with the coils. Understand?

Use or make a simple Test Light

Use a battery that will light up a small bulb or LED. eg - Bicycle lamp, car test light or torch.
Connect a wire to one of the battery terminals [+ or -]
Then connect another wire to the other end of battery.
Connect these two wires to the bulb or LED and ensure it lights up clearly.

To test the coil circuits.

Mark all four wires from fan with tape and number them 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Simply remove one wire from bulb and connect it to wire No 1.
Connect wire No 2 to the bulb, where you just removed the wire above.

If the bulb lights up, you have found a complete circuit. [join with tape or make a note of both wire numbers].

If the bulb does NOT light up, test again with wire No 3.
If the bulb does NOT light up, test again with wire No 4.

You should now have found one pair of coil wires. These can be called the 'trigger' coil wires.

Repeat the bulb test with the two remaining wires and these should also light up. These will be your power coil wires.

If you cannot find two pairs of wires that complete the test circuit and light up the bulb, you will need to inspect the wiring to the fan and the soldered connections inside.

Check that the test bulb definately lights up when connected to battery and try the test again to be certain.

If you have a 12v battery, you can use one of these as a test light.

psss, I can't believe how long it takes to explain a simple technique

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If you have two complete coil circuits remember this...

... if the motor does NOT work swap either T1 and T2 OR P1 and P2

~~~ DO NOT SWAP BOTH SETS! ~~~ read this post for more help
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[byjoveoldchap]

When you separate the two wires they must be checked to see which coil/post which wire goes to. The posts/coils need to be next to each other. (You can use a battery and a light to find out which is which.)

It doesn't matter where the two seperated wires go mrbreau, their are both at the end of the two coils. As long as there are 4 wires comng from the fan, you can join them outside to make the two circuits.

You're absolutely right about the battery and light, it can help people out who have no meter.

[Joit]

Let me tinkering around too .

I figured out for me, its easy, when i only look, that
there are 2x Minus at the Collector and Emitter.

And the Circuit from Emitter is connected to the Base
over the Pot at the other End.



But you are really right, it doesnt Matter, wich end from the Coils are connected, either + or Minus.

It worked for me great,
i got a Fan with 4 Stators, and i could seperate the Coils like
__N__
S___S
__N__
where a pair of N-S does make one Coil- Circuit.

I mark the inner End of the Coils as -, and the wire, what start outside as +

Maybe Teslamaniac's Transistor is not Npn or he connect to the wrong Pins.

But it was still confusing, before i did figure it out, i did 2 times giveup allready, and lay it beside.
Its hard, when you got no starting Condition all time, and it doesnt looks like , it will ever work.

Right now, i got some Problems to let a Fan runnig, where the 2 Coils from one Circuit are arranged at 180°.
Seems it wont work that simple, as Imhotep showed in his 3rd Video.

[byjoveoldchap]

Let me tinkering around too .

Maybe Teslamaniac's Transistor is not Npn or he connect to the wrong Pins.

But it was still confusing, before i did figure it out, i did 2 times giveup allready, and lay it beside.
Its hard, when you got no starting Condition all time, and it doesnt looks like , it will ever work.

Congratulations Joit

It can be very confusing and care is needed to prevent blowing the transistor.

f you use low voltage to test first, - eg a PP3 9v battery, the fan will run if connections are okay and there is minimum risk of damage with the neon bulb correctly fitted - Emitter to Collector -

[Joit]

Thank you, byjoveoldchap

I got less problems with my Transistor, it has even good Values at the Datasheet, i think, it can handle about 7 Amps at the Base.
And i got a stabilized 3-12V/2A Power supply, where i can adjust the Voltage.
Allways good to start with 6V and go up, when it works.
But as far i know, you only can have valuable Results anyway first at 12V.
I got no Neon, i didnt catch one, i only measure the current at the C-E.

And my Dream is still a Magnet Motor.
But i wanna tinker a bit for a Device for a Friend.

[Joit]

Another thing, to remove the Stator it works easier,when you hit the Bearing in the middle some back to the bottom, then the Stator is easier to remove.



Just get a Screwdriver or a Screwbit, what fits at the Hole and push it to Bottom.

And another Question, wich Setup did work good at all now?
i got a Stator with a Bifilar Coil.
Does it work better to have one Coil at half Side, or would it be better, to have each Stator bifilar as Trigger and Power Coil.
At that Case, one Stator would be triggered once from the N-Pole and once from the S-Pole.
or 3rd Solution as it been showed with 180° shifted Power and Trigger Coil.

I guess i do anyway make a bifilar coil for a half side, where one end wire is connected to the 2nd Start wire.
I only have to do measures, because they give once more mA and once more V, depends, wich ends are connected.

[Joit]

Since it wont let me Edit my Post....

I put a Piece of Iron under the Fan, to let it lay stable.
And dont forget, to push it back, when you are done, to fix the Stator again.

[byjoveoldchap]

And another Question, wich Setup did work good at all now?
i got a Stator with a Bifilar Coil.
Does it work better to have one Coil at half Side, or would it be better, to have each Stator bifilar as Trigger and Power Coil.
At that Case, one Stator would be triggered once from the N-Pole and once from the S-Pole.
or 3rd Solution as it been showed with 180° shifted Power and Trigger Coil.

I guess i do anyway make a bifilar coil for a half side, where one end wire is connected to the 2nd Start wire.
I only have to do measures, because they give once more mA and once more V, depends, wich ends are connected.

Sorry Joit, but I really have no idea what you are asking here.
Can you try again please?

[Joit]

I was thinking about, how to wire the Coils for best Results and connect them together,
but i go and read me through the whole Thread.
Thanks for Reply anyway .

[mrbreau]

Imhotep's videos?

Did anyone notice that some of Imhotep's videos are being taken down at YouTube? "Third party claim" is in the title bar. FYI

Another bit -- surpluscenter.com has 4 1/2" fans for $6. Item #12-1262-A

I've got a veritable assembly line of them going here. They are ALL from old computers though. Some interesting technology in there too.

Warren
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"....the moment I stopped following others and started coming to my own understanding based on the work of others is the moment I started succeeding." Allcanadian on "Dipole"

[mrbreau]

Imhotep's videos?

Did anyone notice that some of Imhotep's videos are being taken down at YouTube? "Third party claim" is in the title bar. FYI

Another bit -- surpluscenter.com has 4 1/2" fans for $6. Item #12-1262-A

I've got a veritable assembly line of them going here. They are ALL from old computers though. Some interesting technology in there too.

Warren
..


"....the moment I stopped following others and started coming to my own understanding based on the work of others is the moment I started succeeding." Allcanadian on "Dipole"

[Joit]

I did.
Some of them are still there, added from other Users when you search with Keywords.
But i ve no Clue, what it means, claimed from a thirth Party.

[**~Imhotep~**]

Did anyone notice that some of Imhotep's videos are being taken down at YouTube? "Third party claim" is in the title bar. FYI

Another bit -- surpluscenter.com has 4 1/2" fans for $6. Item #12-1262-A

I've got a veritable assembly line of them going here. They are ALL from old computers though. Some interesting technology in there too.

Warren
..


"....the moment I stopped following others and started coming to my own understanding based on the work of others is the moment I started succeeding." Allcanadian on "Dipole"

thank you for the info i have replaced the rush audio that i used to listen to while doing my experiments with other great and generous artists like creed and others (i love rush music and totally respect their right to have me not listening to their music while experimenting and recording my results for publication) in the future releases i will be changing the format and having shiva narrate procedures and explaining details so replication will be easy to follow . the next release is a full size ac fan (3 speed) which will charge two batteries while doing its normal work see ya soon on u tube

[Joit]

Did someone mention, when you put a Cap,
ie. 470µF or higher between '+' and '-' from the Source Batterie,
it does help a quit bit more, that the Motor runs better,
you can get more out and you take lesser from the Source for each Impuls.
I did drive my Batt down to 7V, and Motor was still running.

I am also playing around with a Chain of Caps at the Load,
maybe it will create some biiig loadwaves of Current.

[mrbreau]

It does matter!

@ byjoveoldchap

It doesn't matter where the two seperated wires go mrbreau, their are both at the end of the two coils. As long as there are 4 wires comng from the fan, you can join them outside to make the two circuits.

You're absolutely right about the battery and light, it can help people out who have no meter.

It DOES matter where the wires go, at least on the last six fans I've taken apart to examine. That is where I've been the last couple weeks, looking at fans and examining them. I've taken at least one apart and tried different wiring schemes to see what effect, if any, occurred. Only one way worked on all the fans I tried, with the coils next to each other and not opposed. As you know, it is time consuming to change the wires on the fan and then go through all the alternate wiring permutations on the SG. The process is repeated for every change in wiring per fan. BTW, all is duly noted in my notebook.

There is one exception however. If the magnet in the fan is singular, having only one north and one south, then wiring opposing coils will work but wiring coils next to each other won't. I've only found two such fans so far in the stack I have and I have a BIG stack of them.

I'd like to thank you for the poser. Since I couldn't answer with any authority, I had to do the testing and experimenting to find out the truth....for me. I would NEVER have learned what I've learned any other way.

As an aside, I put a compass under the stator and energised it with a 9V battery to see what would happen. As it turned out, either coil pair will move the compass if the coils are side-by-side. If the coils are opposed, then the compass needle won't move..........unless I change polarity. Interesting to me. This was a dual magnet rotor fan. I have to think about the implications of this turn of events.

Luck to all.
Warren
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