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[OrionLightShip]

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Orion

Hi, I'd just cease the so called debate with this REPLACED, replaced by what, an energy that seeks to twist words into the reality of fake lack.
Gee, isn't that story getting old folks, maybe not for some that can't wake up to reality, which is all love and abundance.
Just because one may look out in the world and see lack in some form, does not mean that is the whole story and certainly not the only dream we can live.

I will again be ultra simplistic with this analogy, because I think it is christmas related and is the easiest for folks to grasp and is also related to energy devices.
Everyone on this forum and in the world for that matter, would not be here to tap away on their keyboards, let alone think about causing harm to another embodied soul, if it were not for the example we were given by our parents.

No I don't mean the slavery they continue to have to endure to provide for their children, I mean the closest example of unconditional love that exists at this time and that is between a parent and the child.
Now what is missing from the equation, the relationship between these so called elite powers and the rest of humanity.
That is what needs to be healed, it's almost akin to the wayward teenager leaving home and becoming the wild child, though in this case, these wild child's have systems built that give them way too much control over all our lives and then yes, these naughty boys and girls stage things like 911 and many other nasty events.
They need love and tender care, like we all do, whether some will admit that or not and pretend they are all strong and mighty and don't need others love and caring, BALONY.
Who makes all the food for those that would harbor hate for others, or would wish and carry out harm to others.
Can you folks see, these ones and accomplices doing harmful things to life here have forgot that they are not and can never be separate from other human beings and all life for that matter.
Yet they persist in trying to pretend that by destroying their mother, in it's various forms from the human mother, to the earth mother, that somehow they can believe in their own denial of the oneness of all life.

All I have is love and compassion for those that have lost their way and forgotten who and what they are and I call upon the universe to awaken all to the truth, that we are all of the same energy consciousness pretending to be separate in this game called, human life.
And with this, the healing of the world shall be accomplished in the blink of an eye and true love, true compassion, true abundance, true joy, true peace, true freedom, true creativity will be the way of life forever more.
peace love light
tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi orion, thanks. I'm being kicked for awhile now and I think someone tricked me also.
And I'm done with the cruel amnesia people also.
peace love light
tyson

[OrionLightShip]

You know who you are and that is all that matters. They will all recover from their "amnesia" soon enough one way or the other. Everyone gets to pick their own path. I will never reincarnate on another crazy 3rd dimension planet.

Hi orion, thanks. I'm being kicked for awhile now and I think someone tricked me also.
And I'm done with the cruel amnesia people also.
peace love light
tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, what happened to the post that somebody just posted in here, who deleted it and why?
I saved the post and this is the post.

I just ran accross this thread an thought id put in my two cents....
Homemade Hydroelectric Generator - YouTube
Take a look at that youtube video. These guys use water to spin cd's with magnets mounted on them, another cd is mounted staticly with coppers coils wound to create AC via Magnetic Induction. From watching their video Im guesstimating theyre getting about 50 RPM from the water flow. The output of their circuit with the induction coils after the voltage is transformed to a larger volt with less current to show 2 amps at 2.6 volts. I'm showing you this as an idea to use in gathering the energy from any object that we can get to spin with little electricity or no electricity at all.
Next I'm going to throw out a few idea's on electric devices that would give out cd's a faster spin creating a greater output (assuming we attach a similar designed induction coil generator to one of these setups).
Generator Of The Future Lighting 7 Neon Bulbs !!! - YouTube
The first motor i wanna show you is the Rodin Coil in a dual Starship (non-toroidal coil) configuration. You can look up info an videos on youtube on how to build a starship coil ect ect. basicly it uses less copper wire than a normal motor it creates a more focused magnetic feild due to the weird electron path in the star.... the center of the star creates a sort of alternating magnetic flux. If you put a magnet in its center it will vibrate or turn depending on which way you face the poles. Also when you flow current through the starship with a magnet in its center core the magnet in the center will shoot out will great force. May be a good way to create an electromagnetic piston to replace the gasoline engine piston while still leaving the main motor structure in tact on a vehicle..... Right now though im focused on spinning CD's.

if those kids can generate 2.6 volts at 2 amps with 50 rpm using tiny magnets then I know I can crank out alot more using N52 neo magnets that are the same diameter but alot thicker, use more wraps in my induction coils. If I chose to use the starship motor I can use both sides of the axel to turn 2 magnet bearing cds and double my induction. I'm pretty sure I can put 2volts and pulse the starship to make a magnet cd spin at least 200 RPM.

Heres another design to make a disc spin at high speeds with little electrical input.

Maget spiral motor/rotor with Bedini circuit - YouTube

The outer spiral of magnets are fixed and facing in with the same polarity towards the rotor. The rotor has fixed magnets facing out all same direction. about 20% of the outer spiral is removed and a small motor or bindini circuit can be used to aggitate the main rotor past the magnetic sticky spot in the spiral. The outer spiral powers most of the rotors movement which should give us a large over unity ratio if we make a magnet bearing disc as large as the rotor wheel with coresponding induction coils, many many more magnets and coils. each circular ring of induction coils on its own AC circuit to output through a full wave bridge rectifier to change AC to DC then output voltage regulated via capacitor to your load or battery on charge.

There are other ways to make a disc spin that do not require electricity nor water nor wind. A weighted pully or gear system similar to a grandfather clock where a human pulls a chain and lifts a weight once a week, the weight falls with gravity turning a wheel geared to spin our magnet disk.

Or is we dont have room for falling weights we use a crank and spring style clock winding meathod.... turn a key that cranks a spring around which turns a geared wheel spinning our magnet disc. Crank the clock up every few days.

I could go on for days. This **** can be done easily free energy, over unity. but nothing is purpetual and never will be as all matter breaks down. rusts corrodes bends melts and even magnets switch polarity over time.

The technicallities and arguments are what is bull**** the entire reasoning that it can not be done so dont think about it is ****ing bull****. personally ive been hospitallized and abused by the usa medical and judicial system for opening my mouth and trying to explain this ****ing **** to Dr.s they've beaten me over medicated me tortured me put me in padded rooms and have ****ing ruined my life. I could build one of these machines have it working without the need for any electrical input. I could have such a huge ****ing clock spring that I could wind it and run the ****er a whole goddamn year with one ****ing wind and make it spin magnets so ****ing big it would pour out 10,000 kwh of electric off the grid for free. you would have to treat the ****er like a rolex perpetual and get it maintained once every few years woopity dooo. I make it bring it to someones door....

THEY CRY OUT WHAT ABOUT THE THIRD LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!!!
THEIR FEEBLE ****ING MIND BREAKS AND THEY FREAK OUT
THEY CALL POLICE AND HAVE THE INVENTOR ARRESTED FOR BEING INSANE!

The invention is destroyed. Nobody beleive it even in front of their ****ING OWN EYES

WHAT IS THE POINT

this is not worth my life it is not worht your life nor any ****ing life. not this project and certainly not liberating a worthless peice of ****ing **** human race who is not going to appreciate it anyway.

We would find a way to **** it up and destroy life instead of creting life. We would basicly be creating a heaven on earth as we would no longer need to provide energy to get work done.

meaning computers and robots do everything. humans get lazy and fat. lose religion. need no government as there is nothing to fight over. this discussion is not about energy free energy perptual motion or any other that

this is about the new world order and how we are allowed to think.

Quantum physics show us that what we observe becomes our reality and facts are created from what we observe. which means our minds have the power to change the fabric of reality and matter if all of the concious minds in existance would come together and agree uppon this singular fact that science of nature is the true answer there are no tangible or intangible gods. Mason's have been in the background of all society knowing many of these things we are trying to bring to light here and the main society knocks us down because we are not in the circle. we are not the ones to liberate the conciousness of the masses. people would ****ing die from the shifting of power.
im done ranting, the last half of this message kinda lost track but im leaving it here so people can feel my ****ing pain and a little of the pain that others are feeling who are not able to speak out about this ****. Yes you can create over unity free electricity generating devices. the real question is where the **** are we allowed to build and use these devices without the discrimination of the governments and ignorant people in society?????

~Jay
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Originally Posted by mbrownn View Post
1) Agreed, but overunity does. A good example is an air-conditioning unit. we put 1hp of electricity in and get around 6 to 10 hp of heat out. The total system displays unity if all inputs and outputs are considered but we, in this case, are only comparing our input with one of the outputs. All the overunity devices I have seen take an input from the environment to give an output bigger than what WE put in.

2) if copper has additional electrons it has a negative charge and if some electrons are pulled out it is positively charged. Running current through it does not necessarily change its charge because as 1 electron enters another leaves. Li ion batteries are chemical batteries just the same as lead acid batteries. If any electrons were consumed in the circuit the battery would loose electrons and therefore become positively charged. As this does not happen we can assume no significant change in the number of electrons in the battery occurs.

3) Once you go deep enough into quantum mechanics you realize that the things we talk about in high school science are not what we were told they were and things don't work in the ways we thought they did. For my models I consider the electron to be a particle of sorts. I know this is not the full story but it works in most cases. Remember electrical theory is just that, a theory. The best theory fits all the facts but for most people theories have to be simplified so that we understand. Remember some people still believe 19 hijackers out of a cave, were able to defeat the greatest military of all time and collapse three buildings in a fashion that resembled explosive demolition with two airplanes .

4) I believe ions cause the difference in potential in a chemical battery but it remains neutral as far as electron content so what moved out must have been replaced overall.

5) From what I understand about magnets they have force but no energy, it is only when they exhibit movement on themselves or another body that energy manifests ie work done. It is also interesting to note that a permanent magnet in a motor is capable of producing much more mechanical energy than what was spent electrically to produce the magnet in the first place. An interesting concept don't you think?

If we can exploit this effect in a motor then we have to explain where the extra energy comes from. I am working to exploit this effect but as yet have not been successful.

Our debate is not really relevant to the Imhotep devices so this isn't the place the debate it.

Have you tried building the fan? I think you should. Once you have it running as instructed you can carry out some tests and explain what you think is happening. I built and tested it for 3 years and was not able to explain how it did what it did without it having a second input from the environment. As I isolated it from other electrical and radio inputs, I had to conclude the source was not one that I expected. I then tried many configurations and discovered the negative energy effects that many have talked about.

Aether or radiant energy theory is best able to explain these observations. If you have a different theory I am all ears but it has to fit all the facts about what is happening. My basic fan drew 80mA at 12.7v with an output to the charging battery of 3mA or less. The spikes were about 1 to 2v above the charging battery voltage at most but lowered as the battery charged, by the time the supply battery was depleted (11.2v) the charging battery was full 12.7v. By switching the batteries round and repeating the test multiple times it was possible to detect an effective loss of around 3 to 5 % During all this time the fan was running with a low efficiency of 20 to 30% so we have a COP of 115 to 127%. There were other outputs too that I did not count such as heat etc. I suspect if all outputs and losses were calculated the COP would be 2 meaning that just as much energy came out of the environment as I put in.
It this effect caused by the radiant or is it a magnetic effect similar to what I proposed earlier, maybe it is both.

I didn't notice the name of who posted this, though this post has much valuable information and I would like to know who deleted it.
peace love light
tyson

[Khwartz]

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Originally Posted by SkyWatcher View Post
Hi, I'd just cease the so called debate with this REPLACED, replaced by what, an energy that seeks to twist words into the reality of fake lack.
Gee, isn't that story getting old folks, maybe not for some that can't wake up to reality, which is all love and abundance.
Just because one may look out in the world and see lack in some form, does not mean that is the whole story and certainly not the only dream we can live.

I will again be ultra simplistic with this analogy, because I think it is christmas related and is the easiest for folks to grasp and is also related to energy devices.
Everyone on this forum and in the world for that matter, would not be here to tap away on their keyboards, let alone think about causing harm to another embodied soul, if it were not for the example we were given by our parents.

No I don't mean the slavery they continue to have to endure to provide for their children, I mean the closest example of unconditional love that exists at this time and that is between a parent and the child.
Now what is missing from the equation, the relationship between these so called elite powers and the rest of humanity.
That is what needs to be healed, it's almost akin to the wayward teenager leaving home and becoming the wild child, though in this case, these wild child's have systems built that give them way too much control over all our lives and then yes, these naughty boys and girls stage things like 911 and many other nasty events.
They need love and tender care, like we all do, whether some will admit that or not and pretend they are all strong and mighty and don't need others love and caring, BALONY.
Who makes all the food for those that would harbor hate for others, or would wish and carry out harm to others.
Can you folks see, these ones and accomplices doing harmful things to life here have forgot that they are not and can never be separate from other human beings and all life for that matter.
Yet they persist in trying to pretend that by destroying their mother, in it's various forms from the human mother, to the earth mother, that somehow they can believe in their own denial of the oneness of all life.

All I have is love and compassion for those that have lost their way and forgotten who and what they are and I call upon the universe to awaken all to the truth, that we are all of the same energy consciousness pretending to be separate in this game called, human life.
And with this, the healing of the world shall be accomplished in the blink of an eye and true love, true compassion, true abundance, true joy, true peace, true freedom, true creativity will be the way of life forever more.
peace love light
tyson [/ QUOTE]

I'm agree!

[Khwartz]

Self-running fan?

1) Agreed, but overunity does. A good example is an air-conditioning unit. we put 1hp of electricity in and get around 6 to 10 hp of heat out. The total system displays unity if all inputs and outputs are considered but we, in this case, are only comparing our input with one of the outputs. All the overunity devices I have seen take an input from the environment to give an output bigger than what WE put in.

Indeed! there are MANY overunity devices (COP >1.0) that work already since a while: win-turbines, solar-panels, electro-dam, heating pumps, Tidal Power Station, etc., and yes, I very agree with you: what count in the COP is the ratio kind of energy we want / energy that cost to us.

2) if copper has additional electrons it has a negative charge and if some electrons are pulled out it is positively charged. Running current through it does not necessarily change its charge because as 1 electron enters another leaves. Li ion batteries are chemical batteries just the same as lead acid batteries. If any electrons were consumed in the circuit the battery would loose electrons and therefore become positively charged. As this does not happen we can assume no significant change in the number of electrons in the battery occurs.

Yeah, there are supposed to get out form negative pole and to come back in the battery by the positive pole; except by the theory of Tom Bearden at least.

3) Once you go deep enough into quantum mechanics you realize that the things we talk about in high school science are not what we were told they were and things don't work in the ways we thought they did. For my models I consider the electron to be a particle of sorts. I know this is not the full story but it works in most cases. Remember electrical theory is just that, a theory. The best theory fits all the facts but for most people theories have to be simplified so that we understand.

Yep!

Remember some people still believe 19 hijackers out of a cave, were able to defeat the greatest military of all time and collapse three buildings in a fashion that resembled explosive demolition with two airplanes .

What is fun in the death of people like the mother who was just here to clean the floor? :/

4) I believe ions cause the difference in potential in a chemical battery but it remains neutral as far as electron content so what moved out must have been replaced overall.

Yes, electrons are supposed to come by the other side and feed the cations when the anions give their electrons.

5) From what I understand about magnets they have force but no energy,

I would say they have permanent potential energy, like a fan always plugs, but you only feel the flux of energy when you oppose something, a screen that could be sensible to that flux (or energy).

it is only when they exhibit movement on themselves or another body that energy manifests ie work done.

Would you say that no energy go through the space because we don't see the radiations coming form the Sun? (imagine been on the Moon: non atmosphere to interact with and you look the deep space form the dark side...)

It is also interesting to note that a permanent magnet in a motor is capable of producing much more mechanical energy than what was spent electrically to produce the magnet in the first place. An interesting concept don't you think?

For me, THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION! but does it really produce the energy (I mean in "old fashion motors", not possible overunity devices)

If we can exploit this effect in a motor then we have to explain where the extra energy comes from. I am working to exploit this effect but as yet have not been successful.

You can consider the magnetic field as a permanent, or almost permanent wind. By knowing the trajectory of this wind, one should be able to use it for permanent (or almost permanent ) movement.

Our debate is not really relevant to the Imhotep devices so this isn't the place the debate it.

Where it would be please, and could we continue this debate on the right place, I'm interested.

Have you tried building the fan? I think you should. Once you have it running as instructed you can carry out some tests and explain what you think is happening. I built and tested it for 3 years and was not able to explain how it did what it did without it having a second input from the environment. As I isolated it from other electrical and radio inputs, I had to conclude the source was not one that I expected. I then tried many configurations and discovered the negative energy effects that many have talked about.

Could you give me the schematic that I could try to replicate that and examine this phenomenon?

Aether or radiant energy theory is best able to explain these observations. If you have a different theory I am all ears but it has to fit all the facts about what is happening.

Perhaps I have one, with no "mystic" inside at all, just normal electric theory but with better observation and understanding of what is going on. But as I've not confirmed it, I ask to have more time before to deliver it.

My basic fan drew 80mA at 12.7v with an output to the charging battery of 3mA or less. The spikes were about 1 to 2v above the charging battery voltage at most but lowered as the battery charged, by the time the supply battery was depleted (11.2v) the charging battery was full 12.7v. By switching the batteries round and repeating the test multiple times it was possible to detect an effective loss of around 3 to 5 % During all this time the fan was running with a low efficiency of 20 to 30% so we have a COP of 115 to 127%. There were other outputs too that I did not count such as heat etc. I suspect if all outputs and losses were calculated the COP would be 2 meaning that just as much energy came out of the environment as I put in.

Very interesting

It this effect caused by the radiant or is it a magnetic effect similar to what I proposed earlier, maybe it is both.

In my theory, that could be explained I think, very simply. But better I replicate the fan and examine if in agreement with it...

Thanks for your post: even if it was not addressed to me, I've found very interesting, so...

[mbrownn]

What is fun in the death of people like the mother who was just here to clean the floor? :/

I would say they have permanent potential energy, like a fan always plugs, but you only feel the flux of energy when you oppose something, a screen that could be sensible to that flux (or energy).


Would you say that no energy go through the space because we don't see the radiations coming form the Sun? (imagine been on the Moon: non atmosphere to interact with and you look the deep space form the dark side...)


For me, THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION! but does it really produce the energy (I mean in "old fashion motors", not possible overunity devices)


You can consider the magnetic field as a permanent, or almost permanent wind. By knowing the trajectory of this wind, one should be able to use it for permanent (or almost permanent ) movement.


Where it would be please, and could we continue this debate on the right place, I'm interested.


Could you give me the schematic that I could try to replicate that and examine this phenomenon?

I did not mean to say that what happened on 911 was funny, just that the official theory is laughable as it cannot explain what happened that day and in many cases is just plane wrong. We need a real investigation into what happened. The video's show many things that cannot be explained by the official theory as does eye witness testomy on camera at the time of the incident. I do not have access to the materials but those who have made a strong case for another explanation which does fit the facts better than the official theory.

Yes permanent magnets do express potential energy.

The radiations from the sun are energy without doubt.

The problem with normal motors is, I believe, the theory may be incomplete and we are missing something. Electrically we have a closed loop but in effect it is a total loss system, we know some energy can be recovered and we don't have to use a total loss system. The Bedini energizers prove this.

Some "all permanent magnet" motors show a depletion of magnetism in the magnets. To me that is a consumption of potential. Although the motors can run themselves until the magnetism is too weak, I don't believe that these systems are the way to go as they consume the potential too fast but they are far more efficient than other types of motors and much can be learned from them. More research is needed.

If magnetism is a form of wind it should be relatively easy to extract the energy from them once we know the "trick" on how to do it. All permanent magnet motors would seem to back up this theory to some extent.

If it is only a potential It is still not a problem as we can make magnets do work without them loosing their potential such as in normal motors and we know we can recover energy from them. The release more recovered energy we just need to pulse them and add a recovery circuit.

If you need to discuss it further start a new thread and send me a PM with a link to it so that I don't miss it. I don't read every thread as I don't have time.

On the Imhotep/Bedini fan all the schematics are in the first part of this thread or you can go to Imhotep's forum Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ - Index page I am a moderator there.

I would be interested to hear your theory.

Mike

[Khwartz]

I did not mean to say that what happened on 911 was funny, just that the official theory is laughable as it cannot explain what happened that day and in many cases is just plane wrong. We need a real investigation into what happened. The video's show many things that cannot be explained by the official theory as does eye witness testomy on camera at the time of the incident. I do not have access to the materials but those who have made a strong case for another explanation which does fit the facts better than the official theory.

Thanks it confirms that I get, but I've found a hurting to put so much laughs after spoken of such event.

Yes permanent magnets do express potential energy.

So, we agree

The radiations from the sun are energy without doubt.

So, it's not because we don't see any effect that the energy not exists, right?

The problem with normal motors is, I believe, the theory may be incomplete and we are missing something. Electrically we have a closed loop but in effect it is a total loss system, we know some energy can be recovered and we don't have to use a total loss system. The Bedini energizers prove this.

I don't know about the real system of Bedini energizers, but even it looks to me that none of these systems have achieved any overunity.
I went on Imhotep's Lab forum and read your posts of the thread "Imhotep and Shiva Video Question" and I'm very disappointed to read that the video was fake, apparently, cause on the vid it looks to completely self-running while you explain that is not the case, need batteries and is not overunity system Or that is just legal PR to protect you from censure, as you said you had problems with?
For conventional theory, I find nothing wrong until now, as I told you, just things not seen or used. But I propose you to discuss of the theory directly in the new thread as you said, Mike.

Some "all permanent magnet" motors show a depletion of magnetism in the magnets. To me that is a consumption of potential. Although the motors can run themselves until the magnetism is too weak, I don't believe that these systems are the way to go as they consume the potential too fast but they are far more efficient than other types of motors and much can be learned from them. More research is needed.

ok, bu what about like Neodyn? SPPM? Do they lose they power so fast too? and the question is: IS THE ENERGY USED TO PRODUCE THESE SPPM IS LESS THAN THE ENERGY WE WILL GAIN? You looked to say "yes", would be nice to sure of that statement same about pollution, I'm wondering about if all of us taking such devices if it could harm even more our planet :/

If magnetism is a form of wind it should be relatively easy to extract the energy from them once we know the "trick" on how to do it. All permanent magnet motors would seem to back up this theory to some extent.

Could we speak of that in the new thread?

If it is only a potential It is still not a problem as we can make magnets do work without them loosing their potential such as in normal motors and we know we can recover energy from them. The release more recovered energy we just need to pulse them and add a recovery circuit.

Understand.

If you need to discuss it further start a new thread and send me a PM with a link to it so that I don't miss it. I don't read every thread as I don't have time.

ok

On the Imhotep/Bedini fan all the schematics are in the first part of this thread or you can go to Imhotep's forum Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ - Index page I am a moderator there.

So I've seen and as you know already, I was a bit disappointed.

I would be interested to hear your theory.

Mike

ok, so I will propose my ideas to let you be critical on.
Cheers.

[mbrownn]

Thanks it confirms that I get, but I've found a hurting to put so much laughs after spoken of such event.


So, we agree


So, it's not because we don't see any effect that the energy not exists, right?


I don't know about the real system of Bedini energizers, but even it looks to me that none of these systems have achieved any overunity.
I went on Imhotep's Lab forum and read your posts of the thread "Imhotep and Shiva Video Question" and I'm very disappointed to read that the video was fake, apparently, cause on the vid it looks to completely self-running while you explain that is not the case, need batteries and is not overunity system Or that is just legal PR to protect you from censure, as you said you had problems with?
For conventional theory, I find nothing wrong until now, as I told you, just things not seen or used. But I propose you to discuss of the theory directly in the new thread as you said, Mike.


ok, bu what about like Neodyn? SPPM? Do they lose they power so fast too? and the question is: IS THE ENERGY USED TO PRODUCE THESE SPPM IS LESS THAN THE ENERGY WE WILL GAIN? You looked to say "yes", would be nice to sure of that statement same about pollution, I'm wondering about if all of us taking such devices if it could harm even more our planet :/


Could we speak of that in the new thread?


Understand.


ok


So I've seen and as you know already, I was a bit disappointed.


ok, so I will propose my ideas to let you be critical on.
Cheers.

Yes we agree on the firs points.

The Imhotep/Shiva video is not a fake, Its just a matter of understanding it. The input into the fan is only a few watts but even so It charges a battery with over 95% efficiency and when you add to that the work done by the motor it IS overunity, all be it a small amount as the motor efficiency is around 25%. It is not self running as noone has found the way to use all the outputs and feed it back to the source with enough efficiency.

Don't be disappointed, The fan is a simple learning tool that I recommend everyone build.

Here is where the controversy is.

If you compare the electrical input in watts with the output, both electrical and mechanical, its COP is less than 1.

If you use the output to charge a battery, high efficiencies of charging occur. The battery seems to charge up with less watts than it puts out when discharged.

The overunity appears in the charging battery.

It has been debated that this is an overunity device or it is just the way the battery is charged. Whatever is the case, when the fan is doing work and the right sort of battery is being charged, we do have an overunity effect.

I cannot prove beyond doubt that the fan itself is overunity but I can prove that the complete system, including a charging battery is overunity.

Noone has been able to explain what is happening without some element of overunity.

[Khwartz]

Yes we agree on the firs points.

The Imhotep/Shiva video is not a fake, Its just a matter of understanding it. The input into the fan is only a few watts but even so It charges a battery with over 95% efficiency and when you add to that the work done by the motor it IS overunity, all be it a small amount as the motor efficiency is around 25%. It is not self running as noone has found the way to use all the outputs and feed it back to the source with enough efficiency.

ok, i understand but for me it's a bit dishonest to present a vid letting think there no power supply anywhere, because THAT IS what the vid shows, while it's not the case.

In an other viewpoint, yes, to show a device with a power supply, even if you, you know that the final result is battery charging, is always suspect for the person who has not already made the experiment. And Lidmotor, having done many experiments, says that at the end, such device breaks the battery. Did you let it run on very long duration on very little batteries like watches ones?

Even me in a first time, I wasted any vid with a power supply to improve my possibility to find real self-running device.

But the problem I've found only radio-frequencies devices that are maximum claimed for 5-30W power and could be rather mW, and very depend where of the location; and could be Dr Stiffler 3 coils first device but still very weak power.

for Kapanadze device, I'm not confident in him cause no experiment had been shown on long duration and capa could feed with inverters the bulbs and he never really gave the secret of is device while he claims to give it "to Humanity", I think it's much contradictory.

Don't be disappointed, The fan is a simple learning tool that I recommend everyone build.

Understand but I think it not a reason to mispresent it. And in a way, it says that we can't be really confident in any vid; this is in this way I see it the most instructive

Here is where the controversy is.

If you compare the electrical input in watts with the output, both electrical and mechanical, its COP is less than 1.

ok.

If you use the output to charge a battery, high efficiencies of charging occur. The battery seems to charge up with less watts than it puts out when discharged.

The overunity appears in the charging battery.

As I say in the new thread: for me it's just creation of reactive current (late 90° phase), well known in industry because of the many electric motors and transformers where we even use sets of cap to compensate, but not measured by ordinary multimeters but absolutely well able to feed any battery or cap. Just as simple as that. And if you look well, this usual characteristic of electricity was already use to feed cap since a very while! lol, except that looks nobody has the idea or the interest to use the energy stored in the sets of cap! but it is quiet compressible as for industry, unless electricity cost really much, it was not significant amount of energy. It's like heat-pumps, you will hardly found them in an hight heater for steal melting-pot! Even if much heat is lost, they have abundance and they don't care!

It has been debated that this is an overunity device or it is just the way the battery is charged. Whatever is the case, when the fan is doing work and the right sort of battery is being charged, we do have an overunity effect.

I'm agree very you Mike.

I cannot prove beyond doubt that the fan itself is overunity but I can prove that the complete system, including a charging battery is overunity.

The whole system is overunity so, as like you said in Muller dynamo, to recycling any energy, to avoid any lose is essential, and it's only in this case that one could expect to achieve overunity, isn't it?

You'll find, but you could know well already, in the web-site of Muller Power Inc., a very good summary of all one has at least take care about loses in overunity "expected" devices:

MullerPower.com ... Advancing the Legacy of Canadian free energy inventor Bill Muller and his remarkable Motor / Generator Designs

So, as in former generators loses brought in a great part to underunity, here, in the case of the fan, if we don't collect the usual loses, we would be in the former case of underunity. That's my point of view.

Noone has been able to explain what is happening without some element of overunity.

[mbrownn]

what is the video you refer to? can you post a link because there are many video's on this device? I would like to see what you mean by misrepresentation.

As far as I am aware, there are no self running devices that have been replicated.

As the Bedini is very inefficient as a motor it would be difficult to make it self running and the excess output would be quite small when compared to the running power.

[KevinW-dirtwill]

Hello Guys, This is my first post at energetic. I am having fun playing with this circuit, I am using a 4" fan with a 50K Pot.






So I have a question... I have some smaller fans wired like this(Image Below)... Will this work or do I have to change the wiring? I tried hooking up one with no luck



Thanks
Kevin

[Khwartz]

what is the video you refer to? can you post a link because there are many video's on this device? I would like to see what you mean by misrepresentation.

here is: Free energy in minutes step by step - YouTube

As far as I am aware, there are no self running devices that have been replicated.

Dr. Stiffler 3 coils by Lidmotor? The crystal radios? Perpetual Motion Holder by Mattiew S Emery? RotoVerter by both Brian prater and Chad Underwood? Muller's dynamo by RemeroUK?

As the Bedini is very inefficient as a motor it would be difficult to make it self running and the excess output would be quite small when compared to the running power.

ok, I didn't know. Thanks for telling me.

[kcarring]

@Kwhartz

MrTWally67 on youtube has done a lot of work on the fans. Lots. And yes you will have to rewind them. But then again, what fan do you know of, now... that pushes wind AND charges batteries.

Personally, I can't get my fat fingers into it.

[Khwartz]

@Kwhartz

MrTWally67 on youtube has done a lot of work on the fans. Lots. And yes you will have to rewind them. But then again, what fan do you know of, now... that pushes wind AND charges batteries.

Personally, I can't get my fat fingers into it.

Quite good! thanks for informations I'll see about MrTWally67...

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Few minutes after:

You are right! I've seen it myself: "neons" lighted with only the fan, the tow sets of batteries completely disconnected :-bd

MrTwally67's Channel - YouTube

and his last one with 4 fans! lol Very Very good al this stuff!

Thanks again for having shared MrTWally67!

Cheers, Khwartz.