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[harctan]

I was thinking about trying that. Also do you have any experience with the thicker wires that i used? Do you think they will suffice?

[mbrownn]

I usually use #27 wire when I rewind and it works fine although its is higher power and better for motorcycle batteries you may begin to burn out your pots. I use a 5 watt wire wound pot now

[diScoVerY_01]

can i replace the neon bulb?

[mbrownn]

The neon is a safety device to prevent the transistor from getting damaged, It is not needed if you always have a battery on the output. It will only light up with no battery connected to the output.

[Khwartz]

For none computer fans...

Hi, mbrownn! Nice to read your messages here again while I'm coming around, and seeing you have very worked out the subject and get on routine

I would like to ask you something: do you thing we could transform this kind of big electric fans to charge batteries continuously like you do with computer fans? and if yes, how?

Electric Fan : Cebu Appliance Center, Selling appliances and a LOT of other things since 1977.

Cheer, Khwartz.

[mbrownn]

Hi, mbrownn! Nice to read your messages here again while I'm coming around, and seeing you have very worked out the subject and get on routine

I would like to ask you something: do you thing we could transform this kind of big electric fans to charge batteries continuously like you do with computer fans? and if yes, how?

Electric Fan : Cebu Appliance Center, Selling appliances and a LOT of other things since 1977.

Cheer, Khwartz.

These motors would not work as standard and would need a lot of modification but Im working on a motor that could do that

[Khwartz]

These motors would not work as standard and would need a lot of modification but Im working on a motor that could do that

Ok, great, just let me know about the motor you're working on when ready

But about these classic big fans, what kind of modifications would be needed?

Where I go, people can't have many supplies and I would like to do with what they have already. Even to find wire coper, electronics, is not easy. So, all would be on modifying but with using the parts only of the fan itself! big deal, isn't it? But really, people are too poor where I go to do an other way :/

[mbrownn]

The device I am working on is the Lockridge device.

These fans use a single phase AC induction motor, what we need for a Bedini circuit is bifilar wound coils or at least coils that have a transformer action between them and a rotor that has magnets. I did try putting magnets on the rotor of one of these fans and rewound the coils but the magnetic cogging was too great for it to run well with voltages suitable for transistors.

What you would need to do is wind four bifilar coils on the stator in just the way the computer fan is configured, then replace the rotor with one that has four magnets going north south as you go round. Ceramic magnets would be better as the neo magnets I used were too strong

These Bedini energizers have low mechanical efficiency so the fan would not be very powerful, probably only a fifth of the power of the induction motor.

An easier way to do it is build the SSG with the bicycle wheel but with multiple coils.

[Khwartz]

The device I am working on is the Lockridge device.

OK, Thanks for specifying, Mike. Could you propose me links which could give me the state of the art of this device?

These fans use a single phase AC induction motor, what we need for a Bedini circuit is bifilar wound coils

Do you mean a pair wires wound in parallel around the same core? And if yes, with or without one extremity in common?

or at least coils that have a transformer action between them

Like tow separated coils wound one on the other; one right on the core and the other wound on the other one? Or one coil on the half length of the core and the other on the other half length?

and a rotor that has magnets.

Ok.

I did try putting magnets on the rotor of one of these fans and rewound the coils but the magnetic cogging was too great for it to run well with voltages suitable for transistors.

About transistors: is that a complete obligation to use any? Do you think we can maintain the charge of a battery while making turn the fan but without electronic, like using at maximum electromechanisms?

What you would need to do is wind four bifilar coils on the stator in just the way the computer fan is configured, then replace the rotor with one that has four magnets going north south as you go round. Ceramic magnets would be better as the neo magnets I used were too strong

Very nice that you saw that and share to me, Mike, I could win time and money without going on a noway path...

These Bedini energizers have low mechanical efficiency so the fan would not be very powerful, probably only a fifth of the power of the induction motor.

Unless they could run indefinitely while connected to the battery, I would be very satisfy.

An easier way to do it is build the SSG with the bicycle wheel but with multiple coils.

Yes, could be good idea cause I should be able to salvage few bicycles and that is cheap stuff.

But magnets would be still my problem. At least, with an alternator connected to a bicycle I could run it without any magnet inside, just having the battery to start it. But the problem is that for now, I don't know how to make it self-sustainable :/ Would You have an idea?

Cheer, Khwartz.

[mbrownn]

OK, Thanks for specifying, Mike. Could you propose me links which could give me the state of the art of this device?

Just read all threads started by me plus the lockridge thread and this will bring you up to speed with where we are at. There is no state of the art device as none of us has succeeded in getting it working yet.

Do you mean a pair wires wound in parallel around the same core? And if yes, with or without one extremity in common?

Yes, none of the connections are common.

About transistors: is that a complete obligation to use any? Do you think we can maintain the charge of a battery while making turn the fan but without electronic, like using at maximum electromechanisms?

You need a switch be it electronic or mechanical on bedini type machines

But magnets would be still my problem. At least, with an alternator connected to a bicycle I could run it without any magnet inside, just having the battery to start it. But the problem is that for now, I don't know how to make it self-sustainable :/ Would You have an idea?

Cheer, Khwartz.

I have Ideas on how to do it but haven't been able to do it yet. If you read all the threads started by me, plus the Lockridge thread you will see most of my Ideas.

[Khwartz]

Just read all threads started by me plus the lockridge thread and this will bring you up to speed with where we are at.

Thanks.

There is no state of the art device as none of us has succeeded in getting it working yet.

Ok.

Yes, none of the connections are common.

Thanks for specifying.

You need a switch be it electronic or mechanical on bedini type machines

I see.
Could you send me to good web materials about Bedini systems and the SSG; things that you have used and tested yourself and produce actual self-sustaining, even with batteries which don't diminish their charge even under load of the device?

I have Ideas on how to do it but haven't been able to do it yet. If you read all the threads started by me, plus the Lockridge thread you will see most of my Ideas.

Ok, great! Thanks, Mike.

[mbrownn]

I have not been able to make a self sustaining device yet because the energy comes out in different forms ie torque, heat and electrical and the conversion losses have been to great. All batteries diminish under load but under certain conditions their charge and discharge rates can be anomalous and work in our favor.

Here is a good site for Bedini info Schematics Illustrated

[Khwartz]

Great stuff! in these pages, very thanks Mike

So you said you have nerver acheived until now true selfsustaining device, so i'm surprise of all these claims around, cause if it really works, I'm sure you would have make it run too!

So, why in this page you sent me too, we find a draw with "sefl runner":

Bedini-Tesla-Gray Home-Power
Posted: June 23rd 2008

Image 13a

Does it mean that all these guys blind themselves on the false results they could have, and don't want to face in what they fail to achieve self-running?

What do you think? What do you think it's going on around?

Cheer, Khwartz.

[mbrownn]

I wonder when people post "self runner", should they follow it up with a question mark or exclamation mark?

John Bedini's ferris wheel is self running but I haven't achieved it yet, maybe one day, and I am sure others have done it too but I have come to the conclusion it isn't going to be as simple as building the Bedini fan.

The self sustaining motors of the past have been Edwin Gray's, Tesla's and The Lockridge device amongst others. I believe all these had the same principals built into them although each was different. This is the direction I am going.

As I said the "overunity" effects in lead acid batteries are known and the best way to exploit this may be the Tesla switch. Overunity is common place in the real world, just look at air-conditioning units but I have never seen a self running air conditioning unit.

I truly believe it is possible and is only a matter of time before we have them. I don't believe these people are blinding themselves, I believe they are pointing the way.

Taking it from where we are now, why is there no interest in building air conditioning units on an industrial scale that power heat engines such as the sterling to generate power. The answer is cost, such a device would be very big when compared to the amount of excess power they produce and it is easier to dig coal out of the ground than spend money.

Stirling engines could also be used to increase the lowly efficiency of 27% of most power stations to close to 100% but that hasn't been done either.

When we have a device that is so blindingly obvious and cheap, it will happen.

So what about Bedini's circuit? Its a learning tool to show you that there are many more things going on in the system than you are told about.

[Khwartz]

I wonder when people post "self runner", should they follow it up with a question mark or exclamation mark?

Yeah, I see your point, but for now, I'm convinced that most of these guys blind themselves cause nothing is clear and by trying it we could meet the weakness of the devices by not reproducing the points that make the device overunity like.

John Bedini's ferris wheel is self running but I haven't achieved it yet, maybe one day, and I am sure others have done it too

How can you be sure of something you haven't test yourself?! :/

but I have come to the conclusion it isn't going to be as simple as building the Bedini fan.

Could be, but for me the strange thing, makes me thing there are lies around, it's that when we look and read at what they said, it looks rather simple, while indeed, no effective replications are made. I'm part of tow forums on free energy and despite of all clains since years and very motivated replicators, nothing occurs to be replicate-able after the claims of the first one.

The self sustaining motors of the past have been Edwin Gray's, Tesla's and The Lockridge device amongst others.

For me, none of them has been able to prove honest results, I mean "infakable" devices and indisputable devices.

I believe all these had the same principals built into them although each was different. This is the direction I am going.

I understand the way you think, and if there were good stuff around, I think it's the right way to do: see what all these experiments could have in common.

For me, I'm convinced there are 6 main points:

1. Pumping by high very short picks of voltage;

2. Conversion of cheap VAR in active power by capacitors, coils and batteries or other equivalent reversal receptors-generators;

3. Conversion of very cheap and easy to get energy in more on demand energies;

4. Superconductance like by resonating in conductors;

5. Back-EFM and use of general pendulum reactions;

6. Coupling with existent fields; like Earth fields or other permanent or permanent like fields like magnets.

As I said the "overunity" effects in lead acid batteries are known and the best way to exploit this may be the Tesla switch.

You mean using spark-gapes or fast rotating switches to create very short on and off to create picks by coupling with coils or even capacitors?

Overunity is common place in the real world, just look at air-conditioning units

For sure! I'm trained in engineering about all that stuff, and yes, overunity is common in the real world, even "infinite" overunity, like for wind-turbine or solar panels.

But the problem is not the overunity itself but the overunity in what I call mono-energy kind, conversions-like from electromagnetic energy to electromagnetic energy, or gravity to mechanical power, or caloric to caloric.

Heat pumps are true converters from electrical energy to caloric energy. We could say too from mechanical energy to caloric energy because the electricity is used to run a compressor which is in essence a mechanical device.

The COP (Coefficient Of Performance) just rate the "on-demand" energy (heat) under costly energy, even not caring about the caloric energy taken in in-put.

Yes, indeed: a heat pump has a poor "physical efficiency", if we compare the global demanded energy obtained in out-put to the global energy taken in in-put.

In in-put of the heat pump we have the calories of the outside which are pumped to be put in the "inside" (home, etc.), say C1, and the calories at the out-put, say C2.

One could very easy not notice that C2 > C1 in any case!

More than this: we have to add the electrical energy in in-put E1.

A part of this in-put energy is added to the output in form of caloric energy, but there are loses too. Say E2 the added energy.

At the end we have an "physical efficiency" of (C2+E2)/(C1+E1), with C2 < C1 and E2 < E1, so the efficiency is necessarily < 1 ("underunity), while for the COP it is only (C2+E2)/E1...

So, what we want is a cheap clean renewable energy in input and the demanded energy in output.

Note: I've written "physical efficiency" in quotes because the true physical efficiency is said always "unity", so equal to 1 while we compare ALL the input and ALL the output and that we consider that no energy can be created or lost.

but I have never seen a self running air conditioning unit.

Of course! and I have just explained the reason

I truly believe it is possible and is only a matter of time before we have them.

But "what"? the "mono-" or "uni-" converters I was talking about?

I think myself "yes" in EM/EM conversion, it has indeed theoretical reasons to believe it could happen and has happened already.

But it does need to consider the SPACE in-between the particles not as empty but as full of thinner energy; rather like turbulent winds in-between wind-turbines, or sea-waves in waves-generators. What Dirac named "plenum" instead of "vacuum", for very pertinent theoretical reasons.

I don't believe these people are blinding themselves, I believe they are pointing the way.

As I've told you before, I rather thinking that most have blind themselves otherwise they would have been able to explain much more clearly why their supposed working devices were working, and replications would have bring near no problem. But yes, for me it doesn't mean they were not in the right path and have not touched pertinent points, enough to look further in their directions.

Taking it from where we are now, why is there no interest in building air conditioning units on an industrial scale that power heat engines such as the sterling to generate power.

Your wrong, Mike, it is done and works perfectly.

The answer is cost, such a device would be very big when compared to the amount of excess power they produce and it is easier to dig coal out of the ground than spend money.

I understand that you could think that but ideas has the capability to reduce time and energy needs.

Here a links to completed functional and affordable devices already on the market (even used to produce electricity in co-gen most often now):

Cleanergy - The world’s leading supplier of Stirling based climate neutral energy solutions

WhisperGenTM heat and power systems

http://www.solarthermalmagazine.com/...nergy-systems/

Stirling engines could also be used to increase the lowly efficiency of 27% of most power stations to close to 100% but that hasn't been done either.

No, sorry, the limit, but easily reach now, is 40%, and it's because of the "Stirling cycle" itself, which is much more than inter-combustion motors or solar photovoltaic panel.

When we have a device that is so blindingly obvious and cheap, it will happen.

Yeah, the problem is that "cheap device".

Because of the cost of the device, and even of the maintenance of the device, we, professionals in heat pumps and so on engineering, may use different COPs.

One, and I think it's the most important one, is a financial one:

THE FINANCIAL VALUE OF THE ENERGY DEMANDED PRODUCED UNDER: THE COST OF THE ENERGY IN INPUT + COST OF MAINTENANCE + COST OF THE DEVICE DIVIDED BY THE DURATION OF.

So yes, I'm agree with you: to bring real "free energy" means both having free primary energy in input but cheap device too.

So what about Bedini's circuit? Its a learning tool to show you that there are many more things going on in the system than you are told about.

Of course, you can say that now after having tried to replicate with not very conclusive results, but it were not the claims of Bedini and the others who claimed effective overunity; right?

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What about this:

Free Energy Magnet Motor (Engine) - YouTube

Do you think that the fields of the magnet could feed the coils well enough and synchronised in their path to do so? Could you test it, as I think you have already all material needed while not me for now?