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[lost66]

Hi lost66.
Neon goes between emitter and collector and suppose to short high voltage, preventing transistor. However, transistor can fry within seconds with neon being lit, since neon treshold is higher than transistor's max. voltage. For neon to fire you need over 80+V. 2N3055 is rated @ 60V. Where is your resistor connected?

hi blackchisel97
there was 1 in series with 1 of the neon leads.
i thought it was there because we run on 220v or something

[Sephiroth]

nothing happens when i short casing 2 any 1 of the pins

hmmm... ok, it sounds like the power windings aren't connected. By shorting the emitter and collector you are bypassing the transistor and so it should give you the same result as just connecting the coil to the battery.

Try disconnecting the fan from the battery and measure the resistance between the wire that is normally connected to the primary battery's positive and the collector on the transistor...

It should be around 1 ohm.

[lost66]

hmmm... ok, it sounds like the power windings aren't connected. By shorting the emitter and collector you are bypassing the transistor and so it should give you the same result as just connecting the coil to the battery.

Try disconnecting the fan from the battery and measure the resistance between the wire that is normally connected to the primary battery's positive and the collector on the transistor...

It should be around 1 ohm.

ok i have 1ohm on the + and on the casing and 1ohm on the pot and neon

[blackchisel97]

There is only one resistor, limiting transistor current - in the base. There is no resistor on emitter - if I follow you. One more thing crossed my mind - reverse wires of one coil - switch them.


Vtech

[Sephiroth]

ok i have 1ohm on the + and on the casing and 1ohm on the pot and neon

That is really weird... if there is 1 ohm between the + and the casing then the fan should jump if you short the casing with the emitter

If it doesn't then I'm stumped... sorry.

[Sephiroth]

are there sparks when you short the emitter and collector? Does the neon light?

[lost66]

it looks like the transistor is ok, according 2, http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ust-see-5.html

[lost66]

ok i think it is time 2 look @ this from the begining. here is the hardware, (oops 4got the battery's) can u wire it up 4 me? till now, i was testing without a battery 2 charge, (if i have 2 use 1 then i will, got a dead 1 2 hook up)
when i get it 2 run, then i would like 2 add a separate winding 2 trigger, and use both original windings 2 do the work?

[lost66]

ok so here is the hardware ... ....with some luck!!!

[lost66]

are there sparks when you short the emitter and collector? Does the neon light?

no no and no!!! i do think something was wrong with my circuit, will have 2 start it from the begining (do yr neons have shrink wrap around its legs or is it just the bulb . that resister that i was talking about, was hidden under the shrink wrap, so i took it out)

[Sephiroth]

Here is how it should be wired.

http://www.theundergroundlab.org/imohtepbynumbers.jpg

The resistor on the neon shouldn't be a problem... though there is something seriously wrong with the wiring if nothing happens when you short the emitter and collector. That isn't a problem with the circuit. Even if the circuit is a pile of ash the fan should still respond if you short the emitter and collector.

[Joit]

Lost66
Maybe you turn the Fan 90° and short the wires, to see
if it does respond, when you short it fast.
The Fan maybe is locked at the Position, where the Poles allready attract each other,
and thats why it dont move.


Seph, did you ever made a Fan with 360° Coils like he did, what worked?
I had no luck with that.

[Sephiroth]

Lost66
Maybe you turn the Fan 90° and short the wires, to see
if it does respond, when you short it fast.
The Fan maybe is locked at the Position, where the Poles allready attract each other,
and thats why it dont move.


Seph, did you ever made a Fan with 360° Coils like he did, what worked?
I had no luck with that.

I'm not sure... how do you mean 360? I've modified 4 different fan models and they have all worked with their original windings.

[Joit]

Hi
I meant, you wound one Coil around all Posts at the Stator from the Fan,
and the second the same, that ie. the Powercoil acts with the 4 Poles.
I hope, that makes Sence

[Sephiroth]

Hi
I meant, you wound one Coil around all Posts at the Stator from the Fan,
and the second the same, that ie. the Powercoil acts with the 4 Poles.
I hope, that makes Sence

ah then yes all of them.