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[mbrownn]

Excellent PDF, I had not seen that document before, thanks

[citfta]

Actually it was wrtner (Paul-R) that posted that link in the thread about the scooter wheel energizer. I just reposted the link to this thread. You are right it is a good pdf. It answers a lot of questions for those people interested in the Bedini energizers.

Carroll

[El de la triste figura]

Citfta friend thank you very much for your help,
shall begin by studying the pdf ... grateful

Greetings ...

[harctan]

So I've been playing with my fan for a few days but I'm still uncertain about the sweet spot. I run it with 24V from a pc power supply and charge a 12V 1.3Ah SLA battery. The charging voltage peaks at about 820 Ohms, thats about where the coils start their "singing", at about 62 mA current draw. But the peak charge voltage stays there all the way to 6000 Ohms at 20mA. The sound pitch of the coils changes so I can't really tell when it's louder, and without the battery the neon flashes an orange colour which at first gets brighter but then the only thing I notice is it's frequency droping as the fan slows down. Should I just aim for the lowest amp draw at 6000 Ohms? Or would that result to inefficient charging due to low frequency of the spikes? Perhaps there is some other way to find out? (meaning other than spending many days/weeks charging and discharging the battery at different base resistance values)

[mbrownn]

tune for the highest charging voltage on your battery.

[harctan]

tune for the highest charging voltage on your battery.

As I mentioned earlier the highest charging voltage remains the same from 800 Ohms all the way to 6000 Ohms, hence my confusion.

[mbrownn]

As I mentioned earlier the highest charging voltage remains the same from 800 Ohms all the way to 6000 Ohms, hence my confusion.

Are you sure? the difference may only be one hundredth of a volt or so if the battery is big.

if you get in the range of the loudest sounds, the highest charging voltage and when no battery is connected the brightest neon you are in the sweet spot.

Any lead acid battery, be it new or old, responds better after a number of charges provided it id always charged on the fan; Capacity increases even on a brand new battery and charge time drops. Do not overcharge gel type batteries they will rapidly deteriorate by drying out, in this condition they act much like a capacitor charging very quickly to high voltages but have little capacity. This may be a cause of some of the very spectacular charging results that some people have obtained. I always use the simple cheap lead acid batteries now, the type that you have to add water. They are also better in the fact you can check each cell with a hydrometer to make sure that the acid is the same strength in each cell.

[harctan]

I'm using 2 new 12v 1.3Ah SLA batteries which I'm currently conditioning. My multimeter has an accuracy to one hundreth of a volt (at least on paper) and it will not register any change in charging voltage for a wide range in base resistance. I run the fan at 24V (due to high coil resistance at 70-75 Ohms) from a computer power supply. I tried again tuning the fan with sound and neon. This way I settled at around 5.000 Ohms. The sound from the coils, although I can't determine if it's the highest in volume, it is the highest in pitch. The neon does light the brightest but the fan has slowed down enough so that the blinking is easily noticable. At that point the fan draws 23mA and charges the battery very very slow (it took about 1 hour to get from 12.25V to 12.27V). After a lot of delay I finally recieved a coil of AWG #32 wire that I had ordered which I used to rewire another striped fan that I had from a previous failed attempt. This one seems to run nicely at 12V so I will run it for the next days and see if I will get better results.

[mbrownn]

It sounds like you are on the sweet spot. Unfortunately it is true that the high resistance fans run poorly and it is better to rewind them. I use #27wire for this, the lower the resistance we have the better it works but we still need some turns so that the fan will run.

What amp hour rating of battery do you use?

[harctan]

My battery is 1.3Ah rating. I had tried in the past to rewire with #26 and #28 wire but it was a no go since the induced current wasn't enough to trigger the transistor. The #32 works fine for me but only when I use smaller fan blades (80mm diameter) instead of the original (120mm) as shown in the attached pictures. I've been playing around with this fan today and it is definately easier to tune. I haven't pinpointed the sweet spot exactly yet but I'm closing in. I have it running at 1KΩ,130mA,12v and the battery seems to be charging at an acceptable rate, rising from 12.42v to 12.50v within an hour.

[mbrownn]

My battery is 1.3Ah rating. I had tried in the past to rewire with #26 and #28 wire but it was a no go since the induced current wasn't enough to trigger the transistor. The #32 works fine for me but only when I use smaller fan blades (80mm diameter) instead of the original (120mm) as shown in the attached pictures. I've been playing around with this fan today and it is definately easier to tune. I haven't pinpointed the sweet spot exactly yet but I'm closing in. I have it running at 1KΩ,130mA,12v and the battery seems to be charging at an acceptable rate, rising from 12.42v to 12.50v within an hour.

130mA is a C10 charge rate which is twice as fast as the ideal but you should still get good results.

Using #27 wire does not have many turns on the stator but is lower resistance so your current is more. My pot is set at around 68 ohms but gets hot. I guess different devices have different settings.

[harctan]

So I'm in the proccess of conditioning my new batteries using a C10 charge-discharge rate (1.24Ah rated at C10), running the fan from a pc power supply at 12V and using as load either 12V bulb, standard fan or bedini fan to charge smaller batteries. I charge them to 14.5-15V and discharge them to 11.2V. I have concluded 3 full charge-discharge cycles until now. The first battery takes about 7 hours to discharge and about twice as long to charge. The second battery charges a little faster but when I discharge it at about 2 hours the voltage goes down to 10V. At first it looks like it drains at a normal rate but in the last 10-20 minutes it plummets fast. Does that mean that it is sulfated? Perhaps it was sitting on the self for a long time before I bought it? If so should I continue charging as usual and see what happens or would it be beneficial if I used more amps and drive it more than 15V?

[mbrownn]

With sealed batteries I would not charge above the recommended voltage, Your second battery could be sulfated or drying out. Use a slightly smaller load so you are at least C10 on your discharge, C20 is better.

[harctan]

Ok, the manufacturer gives 15V as top charge voltage so I'll stick to that. The load I use is 120-130mA so it's at C10. I bought these batteries when I was experimenting with my first fan which had a lower current draw and would give me at least a C20 charge. C10 will have to do for now. I guess I'll keep cycling the battery and see if there will be any improvement.

[mbrownn]

Yes, after 6 to 10 cycles you wont see much more improvement. To be honest I have never had good experiences with sealed gel batteries. I stick to the old fashioned ones you have to top up with distilled water.