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I agree, the diagram does show a connection to the Collector, however, following the videos step by step this connection does not exist.

I did set up the connection after studying the diagram and had the same locked position, I changed the the wires around from the fan, got a few glows from the neon during my alternate configurations and finally blew the diode from the collector.

Back to the drawing board for me Im afraid.

Where I get a little lost ( following the videos ) is, after the SSG is set up the next shot is spinning the fan, the battery wiring would be very helpful there as it is the final step and the one that has thrown me.

Apologies if this is simple for everyone else but attempting it as a complete beginner I have fallen into a few holes, just sharing my experiences.

There are no failures only lessons and my first attempt has shown me how it does not work and got me into thinking and understanding it in more depth.
The path to success

[Bodkins]

I agree, the diagram does show a connection to the Collector, however, following the videos step by step this connection does not exist.

I did set up the connection after studying the diagram and had the same locked position, I changed the the wires around from the fan, got a few glows from the neon during my alternate configurations and finally blew the diode from the collector.

Back to the drawing board for me Im afraid.

Where I get a little lost ( following the videos ) is, after the SSG is set up the next shot is spinning the fan, the battery wiring would be very helpful there as it is the final step and the one that has thrown me.

Apologies if this is simple for everyone else but attempting it as a complete beginner I have fallen into a few holes, just sharing my experiences.

There are no failures only lessons and my first attempt has shown me how it does not work and got me into thinking and understanding it in more depth.
The path to success

give us some pictures of your coil my friend help is here we just need understanding of your setup

[Joit]

Hi,

Lol, how did you blow the Transistor, did you run your Circuit with 110V?
At the Base are usual about 0,2-1,2 Volt.
The Transistor can handle about 3 V and 7 Amps.
But my Fan did first work after a Week too, first Time i did trow it for a Week beside, too
and this one was even with single Wire wound, so dont worry. lol.
Anyhow its not that simple for a Beginner, as it seems, when you figured it out once.

Ok i try it again.
Each Coil has 1 Wire with 2 Ends.
And as Imhotep says at his Video,
each Coil has a inner Side Start of Wire and one outside from the Coil.
Therfor, the 2 Ends from one Wire from a Coil becomes a '-' and '+' End (of Wire).
When you got a bifilar wounded Coil, you twist the 2 Wires outside together, and got one +.
Same with the 2 Wires, what end at the Core from one Coil.

Now you have one Coil with 2 twisted Ends, where the one outside is the Plus,
and the other End, what is inside is marked as Minus.

Do that with all your 4 Coils around the Stator.
Now you got 4 Coils with a + and -.

Now twist 2 + Wires from 2 Coils, what are close together, lets say, the one at 12 AM and at 3 AM.
Same with the inner End, the '-' from this 2 Coils.
Twist them together and you got now one Plus and one Minus from 2 Coils.

And still 2 Coils left.
Do the same with the coils at 6AM and 9AM.

At last, there should be 2 Plus from 4 Coils, and 2 Minus.
Plus allways start outside the Coil, Minus inside.
Total there are now 4 Wires.
The Plus from the Coils at 12AM and 3AM is connected to "+"Batterie.
The Minus from this Coils go to the Collector/Case(at a 2N3055).

Then the Plus from the Coils at 6AM and 9AM is connected to Emitter and "-" Batterie.
and the Minus from this Coils to Base/Potentiometer.

Turn your Pot a bit higher at first, that it doesnt blow your Transistor again.
The Fan should start some squezing, when you turn it with your Finger.
Then turn the Pot some lower, till the Fan can run.

You can still measure your Coils between "+"Batterie and Collector or "-"Batterie/Emitter and Pot/Base, they should have about same Ohm usual around 60Ohms.
I got a different at some of my Motors from 15Ohms, seems that is, what they can close handle,
or one from this Coil will go hot, if the difference is to big.

And well, not sure, if your Transistor is blowed, sometimes it only looks like.
Mine been strong, since what i did all to them

[Joit]

You could remove the one End from the Diode from Base-Emitter,
connect your Plus of Meter to E and Base, and it should lock(in one Direction).
When the Diode is in, the Transistor looks like, it is blowed.

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Joit,

Thank you for your support and advice. I type this as my fan is humming in the background.

I went back to the drawing board or should I say Bread Board and laid out the circuit in the exact replica design of the diagram on this image...



Spun it up and whahey it started spinning, Im gonna post the video.

I think it is better to do the diagram as opposed to the video, well for me obviously.

Started doing a few tests and here are my results...

Fan: 12v 0.38a
Measure voltage across charge +- = 2.76v

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Source: 12v 7.2 ah
Charge 12v 1.3 ah
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Starting voltages:
Source 12.73v Charge 0.35v

After 20 mins...
Source 12.65v Charge 6.4v

A further 15 mins...
Source 12.68v Charge 5.82v
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Source: 12v 7.2 ah
Charge 12v 7.2 ah
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Starting Voltages
Source 12.68 Charge 11.86v

After 15 mins....
Source 12.66v Charge 11.87v

A further 30 mins...
Source 12.66v Charge 11.89v

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I think, I got a fast charge on the 1.3ah because it is obviously 1.3.

The 7.2ah to 7.2ah, after 15 mins is showing more of a loss than gain in the charge. It will be interesting to see after an hour what the results are.

I think my fan may be a little weak, seeing as it is only putting out .38a, would I be correct in this assumption?

If I got a better fan in amps would I get better results?
Would the circuit need to be changed to handle a more powerful fan?

Thanks.

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[Joit]

Hi,
Congratulations, that you did it.

I thought, you had allready a Circuit from one Video,
Sephiroth made some nice Videos at Youtube and Imhotep too, where the Circuit is in.
I did make a Screenshot from it with the Printkey,
and there are still some anywhere in this Thread.
Its only about building a Fan with the Bedini Circuit from Imhotep, and maybe you wanna once fly through.
Peswiki has some Schematics too,
but for me is still cutting the Wires the worst at this thing

One thing for loading Batteries, usual its like this,
the Voltage goes up, then back, and then slowly up again.
At the last Volts, it will add the Amperehours, what usual takes longer.
I think you need to watch both after loading.
You can charge even more Batteries in Series, when i connect them in parallel, it takes me to much Power from the Motor.
But they load anyhow half that fast, because the Frequency will be half.

I did charge once a 7,5 ah gel with a Fan too, but it did take forever, till i switched to a 1,2Ah Coil.
Your 0,38A looks right, thats what they usual got.
But you can count, what the Circuit eats, will be loaded,
so 0,38A will load aprox the same in one Hour.
Its more like, to charge AAA or any other Kind of Batteries. (Not only Accumulators)
I am not sure, if its the same at the Bedini, but usual i count it like this.
An Advantage is, the charge will go faster and faster after a While, when the Batteries will be new conditioned.
That is mostly after 4 or more charges.

When you want more Amps at the Circuit, you need to make thicker Wire.
I think, the fans have mostly about AWG #34.
This thickness only can produce or handle 0,4A.
Some build it with AWG #24 and Multi Coils in parallel,
then you can get about 1-1,5A from the Circuit.
The Schematic will be the same, there is not much in.
The Transistor can handle enough, just the Potentiometer will be the weak part at last.
Depends what you got, but mine burns often after a While, because they are very cheap one.
The Resistor is good in that case, it does take some of the Power.
And well, about the Realtion of the Charge, i didnt look, i run my Rotor mostly with a Powersupply, and i often got crap Batteries, what i trow after a Day again. because they dont charge.
But Bedini says, you see the Advantage with 2 or more Chargebatteries,
that you need lesser Power to charge, as you use for it.

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Great, I will get a 1.2a fan and see how that goes.

It is difficult to find the amps of the fans on the web, can you reccommend a link?

When you say thicker wire, do you mean the wire coming from the fan to the circuit? How about the wire around the circuit, does that have to be thicker too?

My rpm was not too fast either, I am thinking I need to out the potentionmeter in instead of the 1k resistor. Is that correct?

Really exciting stuff, wow thanks for your help

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[Joit]

Hi
Yes, the wires from the Fan outcoming.
The wires at the Circuit doesnt make much matter, because the Current runs through the Coils.

And you maybe change the 1k Resistor to a 10 Ohm resistor,
with the Pot you can adjust the Speed better.
You set with the Pot the same Resistance, as your Coils have, plus some inductive Resistance.
It is about 200 Ohm, when your Coils have about 60 Ohms each.
Therfor you can adjust the Speed better.
JB says, you should adjust the Pot there, where the Rotor runs at highest Rpm, and lowes amp draw.

When you turn the Pot to low, well in my case, my powersupply goes bit hot.
Looks like a to low Resitance cause a slightly short at the Source.

And about Fans, somhwere is a Link in this Thread, where they show reconomment Fans, but i dont have it by the Hand, maybe i look again, when i got a bit Time or Imhotep has it still anywhere at his Page.
But Fans with thicker Wire as Awg #30 or around that i think are hard to find.
But you can build one by yourself too, when you are in Mood.
there are a lot Variations. -> here
Its not that hard, and i got the Wires from old AC motors, they have a lot of AWG #24 in.
You only need few Magnets, a wheel and Coils selfmade.

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Hi,

I have put my video up on youtube.

YouTube - Bedini Motor

Let me know what you think.

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Joit,

I have found a few fans here that have the heavier wire in their coils.

Could you have a look?

DC Axial Flow Fans

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[sigzidfit]

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The fan in the video looks like a clean install.

The fans at the link are nice but expensive. On the left hand side of the page click on "surplus fans" and there's a very nice fan at a very nice price.

In the panacea pdf that Bodkins referred to a few posts back there is info on the "Fan Kit" and in that part of the doc it is recommending rewinding coils with smaller wire on the larger fans.

I rewound mine with larger wire (thats all I had) and it seems to work fine. Would be interested to see how they compare though.

Peace
PJ

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Thanks sigzidift,

From my understanding (new to all this) the higher the amps the faster the charging of the battery?

Joit was saying if I add the pot to the circuit I should be able to increase the rpm, can you tell me where in this cicuit I would put the pot?
http://imhotepslabs.freeforums.org/d...file.php?id=13

Thanks

[ABCStore]

Something to think about - we're wasting a lot of energy on the feedback resistor itself. Run a 12v light bulb in parallel with it and you'll see what I mean...

ABC

[sigzidfit]

...can you tell me where in this cicuit I would put the pot?
http://imhotepslabs.freeforums.org/d...file.php?id=13...

The component labeled "R1" is the pot.

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sigzidift hi,

Yes, thats where I put a 1k resistor, so if I leave the resistor and put the pot in between it and the base, would that do anything for me?

Im having a look around for fans that may have a bit more amps and came across this promising 17.68a ...

12v dc BRUSHLESS Radiator Condenser Electric Fan Puller - eBay (item 220195757293 end time Feb-18-09 00:30:37 PST)

but im thinking, wouldnt it also be drawing 17.68 at the same time as supplying it? Wouldnt that drain my source faster?

Apologies for my nievety

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