Gravity Power Anyone???

[Stealth]

This is a really neat concept. I will have to try this when I get time. I understand the priciple, but I don't know if it's feasible or not. I think the two forces may equalize after a time. Vacuum versus gravity, both rarely understood by themselves, but when opposed to each other? Thanks for the link. Stealth

[CloudSeeder]

smaller diameter return hose being spiral like an Archimedes screw.

Such a system could work. If you're intending on building one there Stealth you might consider the smaller diameter return hose being spiral like an Archimedes screw. That might reduce the amount of pressure or work or something.

What is a $1.00 challenge? or was it one watt challenge? What challenge are we talking about?

[CloudSeeder]

You guys are all wet <> Jan knows the vacuum wasn't working alone.

Jan was right. There isn't enough vacuum to pull heavy liquid like water up from a lower tank. The vacuum is just working as an auxiliary motor (pump). The real energy making this system work is air pressure, the air sitting on top of the water in the pan. How many miles above the pan, as if a tall tower of air is sitting on the water at 20+ psi.

You need to have a larger pan to access a wider tower of air
pressing down on the water, not just a deeper pan.

If you add more big drums of water in series as he did in his drawings then the pan of water has to be even wider but the total number of drums may have a limit due to water-to-pan friction. This system, and again Jan is right, should have worked thousands of years ago already at the ocean. Any city on the shorelines of any major body of water should be able to build one BIG TANK -without any need for additional tanks- then prime the system by electrical pumping of the water to fill the tank and seal it with the generator inside. But would one big tank be the correct choice?

Consider these points before deciding:

#1 The generator should be built of ceramics to withstand the chemicals in the water &
to protect the wiring would have to be sealed; otherwise corrosion would kill the generator.

#2 You would probably want a hole drilled in the side to make swapping in new generator units much less painful.

#3a You could use a thousand smaller water tanks and a thousand smaller generators that would be much easier to
swap out so long as the width of the lower pan was multiplied a thousand times.

#3b this has a very real advantage as a heavy a** giant generator having to be hoisted up by
a crane and then carefully installed is a nightmarish idea.

#4 Don't forget to filter the water before entering the system. I suggest a system for
extracting the Gold from the ocean water, yep, that's what I would do.

This entire system should be enough to supply the world with generous electricity and a generous wealth of oceanwater~suspended gold particles. You should have listened to the female.

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[CloudSeeder]

Generator Mounting First Choice is::

The first choice would however be to mount the generator on the outside of the tanks. The generator shaft would extend inside the tank to be the waterwheel axle. The waterwheel inside the tanks would not be on bearings but directly connected to the shaft/axle... so that water corrosion of bearings would not be able to occur.

Done deal. This is not the only way to accomplish such a system. I was holding my system back looking for a more opportune time to present itself, but since this thread opened the can of worms for solving World Poverty World Electricity and World Hunger I went with the flow. This is good a time as any I reckon.

But there is a 2nd system if this one should somehow fail to work.
The second system cools the ocean surface and slows hurricanes down.
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[bobo36us]

Further advancement

Glad to see this revived :-)

I was thinking the only drawback in this system might be the more
containers, the harder the draw on the pump.

Then I thought, what about a closed system!

Think about it................
Suction pressure = CONSTANT atmosphere pressure
Discharge pressure = CONSTANT atmosphere pressure

The pump is literally just recirculating water, the same as
it would even if there were only one container in the system!

But we can add as many containers (pumps) as we like.
How many does it take to get overunity? 2,3,4? That means
every additional pump is providing useful work, with the help
of mother nature. No laws of physics are being broken here.

[Stealth]

I like your idea. I had one similar in mind just the other day. There are fountain pumps that require a very small amount of electricity to pump a lot of volume of water, not under pressure mind you, but this system does not need pressure anyway. With enough turbines, or wheels, you could produce a massive amount of electricity. Good Luck. Stealth

[haethae]

I had a similar idea while trying to design a noiseless fountain. I wasn't sure how the water would keep the vacumm when it hit the open air, but looks like keeping it in a closed container would do the trick.
Anyway, when you've got your water at rest before you start up, the levels should be equal in the big tank and the smaller tube. However, I tihnk if you added some kind of watertight platform that could move up and down, you could use the weight of the water in the tank to push up the water in the tube. Airtight with the sides, but moves freely, made out of plastic or something so it floats, when it gets too low and thre's no more water under it, close off the tube and a hole in the middle of the platform opens up and allows some water to go under it.
After explaining it, this sounds much more far-fetched and complicated to incorporate than in my head.
Hmm, thinking about this again has given me another idea. I'll focus on it tomorrow and see if it has any relevance.