Diesel. Flow control/

[shellback]

Most larger boats have two engines.
Is it possible to feed both engines of one HHO cell,
and the Q does not stop there, larger boats also have generators, dive compressors ext.
All this equipment run on diesel what is the most efficient approach to my problem?
Shellback

[Redmeanie]

Most larger boats have two engines.
Is it possible to feed both engines of one HHO cell,
and the Q does not stop there, larger boats also have generators, dive compressors ext.
All this equipment run on diesel what is the most efficient approach to my problem?
Shellback

Shell,
Do you have any experience with Diesel Engines? Im just curious because I have been looking on the forum for someone with Experience with them so that we can get something going for the owners of diesel engines also.

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Why not

Most larger boats have two engines.
Is it possible to feed both engines of one HHO cell,
and the Q does not stop there, larger boats also have generators, dive compressors ext.
All this equipment run on diesel what is the most efficient approach to my problem?
Shellback

Shell,
Why couldn't you simply using the one generator use a Y splitter connection or place two outlets at the top of your hydrox generator and feed direct to each diesel intake?

Once you have tested that there is no reason to not expand your delivery system to other devices to improve their performance. We are only talking about small gauge tubing for delivery systems...

Your concern would then be selection of good battery for all applications and central location of cell and proper ventilation for safety.

W

[pln4472]

If you just put a wye, then you would have gas going to a piece of equipment that may not be running. You could put a double throw toggle switch and an electric valve in each line. Toggle one way for main engine and toggle the other way for the other. You could also put manual valves in the lines. In either case you should put a pressure relief valve on your system.

Just a few thoughts

Marlin

[shellback]

Diesel engines

Hi All,

Sorry for the delay, I became a dad at 6.30 last night. Avah entered the planet at a full 7 lbs even, after 3 days labour.

Thanks again for the best sight EVER!!!!!!!!

And YES I have been in the business of restoring larger boats for the last 20 years.

And I have a fair knowledge of diesels and what I don't know can easily be retrieved from my professional infrastructure. In a nutshell I have a sound knowledge of compression combustion.

The hunger and need for HHO and ALL OTHER ENERGY is mind blowing and this is the place to put it to work.

The best way I think to approach the multitude of problems we have is to say that with all the research that I have done it feels like one step forward and two steps back.

For right now with all the options out there I need to get my HHO going.
Right now I am in the process of designing and building a sell that will accommodate multiple voltage and loads.

Is this crazy or not? Yeah, what a rush.

The reasoning for this thinking is, as my demand increases or decreases so must my HHO.

How much or how little? NO IDEA

DC volts- 8 X 8D batteries, that will also give me 96 volt and a lot of amps.
This of coarse is not needed for there are two AC generators and one of them will work all the time, providing me with all the power I need for HHO.

Bringing the power to the different units is most definitely not a problem, there are various way to do this, but I'm always open to suggestions.

So here, tell me what you think:
ONE SELL where you can activate X amount of plates, and when needed activate X+Y plates, and when you need more then you can increase voltage and amps.
So as you can see there are a lot of factors to be dealt with.

My concerns:Safety
Size of sell
Production at minimum load
Heat
Configuration
Neutral plates (STILL NOT CLEAR-new problem)

AND OBVIOUSLY PROBLEMS THAT I AM NOT FORESEEING AND HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED

WHAT I WILL DO IS OPEN A THREAD ON THE CELL.

I would like to keep this open for diesel problems so I can separate my concerns.

There is no greater joy for me than being a dad and the wealth of knowledge
over here. I bow down respectfully and thank all of you.
Shell

[jstadwater]

I am new to all of this, so I can't offer much info on diesels. But, I am a dad myself and the JOYS are ENDLESS!! Congratulations and the best of wishes to you and your family.

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Congrats New Father

Hi All,

Sorry for the delay, I became a dad at 6.30 last night. Avah entered the planet at a full 7 lbs even, after 3 days labour.

Thanks again for the best sight EVER!!!!!!!!

And YES I have been in the business of restoring larger boats for the last 20 years.

And I have a fair knowledge of diesels and what I don't know can easily be retrieved from my professional infrastructure. In a nutshell I have a sound knowledge of compression combustion.

The hunger and need for HHO and ALL OTHER ENERGY is mind blowing and this is the place to put it to work.

The best way I think to approach the multitude of problems we have is to say that with all the research that I have done it feels like one step forward and two steps back.

For right now with all the options out there I need to get my HHO going.
Right now I am in the process of designing and building a sell that will accommodate multiple voltage and loads.

Is this crazy or not? Yeah, what a rush.

The reasoning for this thinking is, as my demand increases or decreases so must my HHO.

How much or how little? NO IDEA

DC volts- 8 X 8D batteries, that will also give me 96 volt and a lot of amps.
This of coarse is not needed for there are two AC generators and one of them will work all the time, providing me with all the power I need for HHO.

Bringing the power to the different units is most definitely not a problem, there are various way to do this, but I'm always open to suggestions.

So here, tell me what you think:
ONE SELL where you can activate X amount of plates, and when needed activate X+Y plates, and when you need more then you can increase voltage and amps.
So as you can see there are a lot of factors to be dealt with.

My concerns:Safety
Size of sell
Production at minimum load
Heat
Configuration
Neutral plates (STILL NOT CLEAR-new problem)

AND OBVIOUSLY PROBLEMS THAT I AM NOT FORESEEING AND HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED

WHAT I WILL DO IS OPEN A THREAD ON THE CELL.

I would like to keep this open for diesel problems so I can separate my concerns.

There is no greater joy for me than being a dad and the wealth of knowledge
over here. I bow down respectfully and thank all of you.
Shell

Shell,

Best way is slow and methodical. In the Marine trades SAFETY has special meaning. Fire danger on a vessel on the water can mean much more then pulling on the shoulder for a surface transport road warrior,,,

Understanding that concept ventilation is key and starting small should be your way to start on this technology. Staying with basics and small simple designs like the smack booster would be my suggestion.

Best to do research and start on your car or truck first b4 doing this on any kind of water vessel.

My 2 cents for a new dad!

[ANTIQUER]

Hi All,

Sorry for the delay, I became a dad at 6.30 last night. Avah entered the planet at a full 7 lbs even, after 3 days labour.

Thanks again for the best sight EVER!!!!!!!!

And YES I have been in the business of restoring larger boats for the last 20 years.

And I have a fair knowledge of diesels and what I don't know can easily be retrieved from my professional infrastructure. In a nutshell I have a sound knowledge of compression combustion.

The hunger and need for HHO and ALL OTHER ENERGY is mind blowing and this is the place to put it to work.

The best way I think to approach the multitude of problems we have is to say that with all the research that I have done it feels like one step forward and two steps back.

For right now with all the options out there I need to get my HHO going.
Right now I am in the process of designing and building a sell that will accommodate multiple voltage and loads.

Is this crazy or not? Yeah, what a rush.

The reasoning for this thinking is, as my demand increases or decreases so must my HHO.

How much or how little? NO IDEA

DC volts- 8 X 8D batteries, that will also give me 96 volt and a lot of amps.
This of coarse is not needed for there are two AC generators and one of them will work all the time, providing me with all the power I need for HHO.

Bringing the power to the different units is most definitely not a problem, there are various way to do this, but I'm always open to suggestions.

So here, tell me what you think:
ONE SELL where you can activate X amount of plates, and when needed activate X+Y plates, and when you need more then you can increase voltage and amps.
So as you can see there are a lot of factors to be dealt with.

My concerns:Safety
Size of sell
Production at minimum load
Heat
Configuration
Neutral plates (STILL NOT CLEAR-new problem)

AND OBVIOUSLY PROBLEMS THAT I AM NOT FORESEEING AND HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED

WHAT I WILL DO IS OPEN A THREAD ON THE CELL.

I would like to keep this open for diesel problems so I can separate my concerns.

There is no greater joy for me than being a dad and the wealth of knowledge
over here. I bow down respectfully and thank all of you.
Shell

Hi! Shell
My congratulations to you on being a dad & sympathy to your wife on the prolonged labor and congrats. on being a mom. What a great Father's day gift!
We have 6 so know the feeling & the last was born the week of my birthday.
I know Red Meanie especially is happy because the diesel man he was looking for & the helicopter team joined up this week.
As far as diesel engines I think the problems are basically the same as gas engines: producing enough HHO to supply large block engines with minimum amps & heat. Most of the other problems have to do with the marine environment as opposed to dry-land vehicles.
That's all I wanted to say for now. I'll get back to you on the neutral plates.

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Redmeanie

It seems my life will become somewhat normal again very soon.
I do have a strong belief in compression combustion for their life-span seems to be infinite.
Right now, I drive a 450 Super cab Diesel Ford, mamma drive a 300 SD mercedes, the boat we own has 2 x 8V71 natural Detroits, with 2 AC diesel generators one is a 35KW and the backup is a 12KW, 2 x dive compressors one is a Nitrox system driven by a 13Hp diesel and the straight H2O is also a 13Hp diesel.
All these engines starting with the Mercedes this week coming, will be converted to bio. This is not a big challenge for me and I do realize that bio is not going to help us in the long run.
My goal is to make this 65 ft Thompson trawler the first boat ever to operate on the oceans of our mother with respect and love. She will have solar,wind bio?, HHO or what ever it takes that I can afford to live in harmony with this planet.
I know YES!!! people I also have a sail boat she's the love of my life but I planned this family and we are going to charter the trawler in Honduras for I need to feed us. And live the life we understand best.
I have multitude of people asking me for help, and I feel lost and can not seem to keep my head above water with all the research needed to be done to make this happen.
I am a sail boater thrown into the shark invested water of power boaters, these people are simply ruthless with no consideration for anything. From the fish they catch to the water where the fish come from.

All of a sudden we have thousands of boats all over the USA that will soon become a huge pollution problem for these people are already abandoning these boats especially the smaller ones.

All true boating as a true sailor will tell you, should be done with respect to our oceans. That is at least the motion that most sail boaters have, called by power boaters as blow boaters.

Enough BS let us rattle the cage of the most appreciated recreational pastime in the world, WATER

All the events of this boat will be recorded and documented.
And I know I do not stand alone.
Being able to say that on this site is proof enough.
And I thank you.
Shell

[sharkdive1]

Redmeanie

It seems my life will become somewhat normal again very soon.
I do have a strong belief in compression combustion for their life-span seems to be infinite.
Right now, I drive a 450 Super cab Diesel Ford, mamma drive a 300 SD mercedes, the boat we own has 2 x 8V71 natural Detroits, with 2 AC diesel generators one is a 35KW and the backup is a 12KW, 2 x dive compressors one is a Nitrox system driven by a 13Hp diesel and the straight H2O is also a 13Hp diesel.
All these engines starting with the Mercedes this week coming, will be converted to bio. This is not a big challenge for me and I do realize that bio is not going to help us in the long run.
My goal is to make this 65 ft Thompson trawler the first boat ever to operate on the oceans of our mother with respect and love. She will have solar,wind bio?, HHO or what ever it takes that I can afford to live in harmony with this planet.
I know YES!!! people I also have a sail boat she's the love of my life but I planned this family and we are going to charter the trawler in Honduras for I need to feed us. And live the life we understand best.
I have multitude of people asking me for help, and I feel lost and can not seem to keep my head above water with all the research needed to be done to make this happen.
I am a sail boater thrown into the shark invested water of power boaters, these people are simply ruthless with no consideration for anything. From the fish they catch to the water where the fish come from.

All of a sudden we have thousands of boats all over the USA that will soon become a huge pollution problem for these people are already abandoning these boats especially the smaller ones.

All true boating as a true sailor will tell you, should be done with respect to our oceans. That is at least the motion that most sail boaters have, called by power boaters as blow boaters.

Enough BS let us rattle the cage of the most appreciated recreational pastime in the world, WATER

All the events of this boat will be recorded and documented.
And I know I do not stand alone.
Being able to say that on this site is proof enough.
And I thank you.
Shell

Hey Shell

Congrats on the baby. They make life great.
I have worked on boats for sometime. The only thing I would say about the boat is that it is in a closed space, so safety is a must. Do you have intake and exhaust fans in the engine room? The good thing about a diesel is that they do not back fire like a gas engine. But if the cell did blow, diesel is not flamable so that is a plus. If the engine room does not have the fans, you could put the cell in a metal box that is vented to the outside with a fan blowing air in. If the cell leaked the fan would just push the hydrogen out of the boat. You said that you are going to charter out the boat, are going to be on or your captain who will know what to do with the cell, just in case something did go wrong with it.

Sharkdive

[ANTIQUER]

Redmeanie

It seems my life will become somewhat normal again very soon.
I do have a strong belief in compression combustion for their life-span seems to be infinite.
Right now, I drive a 450 Super cab Diesel Ford, mamma drive a 300 SD mercedes, the boat we own has 2 x 8V71 natural Detroits, with 2 AC diesel generators one is a 35KW and the backup is a 12KW, 2 x dive compressors one is a Nitrox system driven by a 13Hp diesel and the straight H2O is also a 13Hp diesel.
All these engines starting with the Mercedes this week coming, will be converted to bio. This is not a big challenge for me and I do realize that bio is not going to help us in the long run.
My goal is to make this 65 ft Thompson trawler the first boat ever to operate on the oceans of our mother with respect and love. She will have solar,wind bio?, HHO or what ever it takes that I can afford to live in harmony with this planet.
I know YES!!! people I also have a sail boat she's the love of my life but I planned this family and we are going to charter the trawler in Honduras for I need to feed us. And live the life we understand best.
I have multitude of people asking me for help, and I feel lost and can not seem to keep my head above water with all the research needed to be done to make this happen.
I am a sail boater thrown into the shark invested water of power boaters, these people are simply ruthless with no consideration for anything. From the fish they catch to the water where the fish come from.

All of a sudden we have thousands of boats all over the USA that will soon become a huge pollution problem for these people are already abandoning these boats especially the smaller ones.

All true boating as a true sailor will tell you, should be done with respect to our oceans. That is at least the motion that most sail boaters have, called by power boaters as blow boaters.

Enough BS let us rattle the cage of the most appreciated recreational pastime in the world, WATER

All the events of this boat will be recorded and documented.
And I know I do not stand alone.
Being able to say that on this site is proof enough.
And I thank you.
Shell

Hi! Shell.
Seems like you have a lot on your plate right now, esp. with that new baby.
I would like to encourage you to go straight to the HHO & forget the bio-fuel which produces more co2 than fossil fuels . It is also less efficent so you have to burn more, adding more to the pollution.
I think you can put a basic HHO booster in with about the same amount of work & start cleaning your engine, saving fuel & cleaning up the air. There is plenty of help in this forum to get you up & running quickly if you have any questions.
Here's a thought on a slightly different topic; have you ever considered mounting a turbine shaped windmill on a sailboat to supply power for batteries or whatever? Al.

[Tarkus]

Boat in salt water???

Since salt water is a ready-made electrolyte, all the fuel you could ever use and your floating around in it.

Salt water + Electrolysis or proper Frequency's = HHO + engine burn = propulsion + fresh water as by product.

This seems like a no brainier

Good luck and keep us posted

[shellback]

Turbine shaped

Hi Al
I do have two wind generators, but sure want to know if a turbine would work better.
Shell

[shellback]

Hi Al
I do have two wind generators, but sure want to know if a turbine would work better.
Shell

AL
What do I know? they are turbines

[shellback]

Exhaust temp

So, flow control can possibly be controlled with a PWM and the temp of the exhaust gasses 4" from the exhaust port of each cylinder.
The most accurate way is by a oxygen sensor but in my case where diesel is called for you have to rely on temp.
Drill a hole 4" from the exhaust valve of each cylinder and apply a temp sender/probe what ever your choice.
My problem: Most all the monitors that I have researched only monitor 4 probes, only one can handle a LOT, cost is not realistic $1 400.00. Now, does anybody know where or how this can be done, most of marine applications has 8 or more cylinders in my environment Gauge for each cylinder will eat up to much space it will help a lot if highs and lows can be displayed.
Thanks
Shell