Drevtoobe / Hugh - Misinformation Service, Inc.

[Aaron]

I know all about drevtoobe....I introduced him to the bedini ssg last year and he thought it was a permanant magnet motor... now he thinks he is an expert even though he has done nothing in the way of experimentation. In fact he has sworn never to build one and yet he still posts "books" about them on any interesting vid. Obviously a skeptic with unclear motives and one to watch out for though best ignored.

Evidently, this is the same person causing trouble in youtube and I would also caution people to stay away. In my youtube vid on back emf vs collapsed spikes, I did say I thought the magnetic polarity of the field also reversed briefly and drevtoobe pointed that out as being incorrect. I corrected that in a post. He has many inconsistencies in his posts, many contradictions, first a coil has current when disconnected and then it doesn't have current when disconnected. He tried to correct a few of his obvious contradictions.

He said: "when you disconnect the power and the field collapses, for a brief instant the North pole of the coil will get very strong for an instant, and then the field will disappear."

The field does NOT get stonger.

Anyone posting something like this and immediately saying, I made a mistake there has NOT internalized the concepts enough to even know them very well. I mean, to say the field gets very strong for an instant then turns around and says, I made a mistake it doesn't do that...he doesn't even know his own opinion very well.

For a long time, I did think the magnetic polarity on a coil being disconnected reversed for a brief instant. Either way, that belief made no difference in me actually conducting the experiments or achieving over 1.0 COP with 2 different circuits. I consistently thought that because I had reason to believe that and it was never mentioned to me that it was not the case.

Anyway, he then posts a correction that I REFUSE to approve.

DREVTOOBE says, "I made a mistake here. The voltage spikes but the current simply goes down. I the coil was carrying 10 amps, then as the disconnection happens the current goes from 10 amps to zero amps. While the current is dropping the voltage is spiking. So the magnetic poles just disappear."

The reason is that I told him to stop sending me the posts and simply post a video and if he did that, I WOULD approve a video response.

Here is his response to me:

" You didn't have the guts to say that I corrected myself? You had no clue that the collapsed-field spike is fully understood and explainable and represents the derivate of the current waveform did you? The only thing that you can come up with is the meaningless "compressed time potential". At least I know that I have fully exposed you Aaron for what you really are. Hugh"

Actually, it is NOT fully understood...there is not many people who can even tell you what those spikes add up to when you capture them. That is like saying people can know the mechanics of an engine. The spark plug sparks, the mixture explodes and helps to push the piston down. Because someone knows this means nothing when it comes to what are the energetics involved with what is really going on. In the conventional books, they can explain that a coil disconnects and you get a spike...of course we know this...one of the main reasons we all have surge protectors so those spikes don't blow out all our equipment if the power goes out! BUT, that is irrelevant in knowing what is the energy and the potential.

Drevtoobe thinks the battery supplies current to the coil and has no knowledge of the battery being a diopole meaning he really, really, really is locked into a conventional mindset with no ability or willingness to budge. This James Randi mentality is not welcome to penetrate my space or time anymore.

So we know his name is Hugh (supposedly) and I think he is in Canada. It seems he is a disinformation person with zero experience with any of these circuits and is locked into a very, very conventional mindset. He doesn't know why the current goes down when these motors speed up...for anyone with experience with them knows one very simple reason is there is less overall on time even if it is going faster and is actually less so of course there is going to be less current. And he says that by WATCHING my reel-to-reel motor demo he says he SEES the current going up since it is speeding up. This is so laughable that he should audition for the Myth Busters.

The spike coming off the coil IS time compressed potential. You put WORK into the coil to charge it in watts...volts and amps and when disconnecting the coil, that works is being compressed into voltage without the amperage...that IS time compressed potential. Meaningless???

Anyway, it doesn't bother me that he thinks he is "exposing" me for who I really am. And there is an old saying, "Would you rather be right or would you rather be rich?" I'd rather be rich any day of the week meaning I have no problem admitting if I am in error...otherwise, what's the point??? I posted that the field doesn't reverse on my video comment page.

Anyway, I have blocked Drevtoobe/HUGH (from Canada I think) in my youtube pages because he is flooding my posts and inbox with maniacal nonsense.

I would caution anyone from encouraging him by engaging in any meaningful communication because even though he has no experience with any of these circuits, he is a self proclaimed master at these sciences and no matter what, he knows better than you.

[Sephiroth]

Thank you for your opinion Aaron. I have been unwilling to block him since I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion though I do hold myself back from responding to his comments (though it is difficult when his comments span over 2 pages )

Just for the humour element here are a few of my favorite quotes from the former canadian electrical engineer

Apparently Bedini did his demonstrations car batteries or even larger. These batteries can poser a motor for weeks, so whatever was demoed was inconclusive.

I will stress that I am just repeating what I read on YouTube, I never did any research into Bedini's claims.

Just think, if someone could prove it, then they could build commercial Bedini power stations in warehouses. The excess heat could heat the dwellings of the city. lol

If you disagree with me you have to back up what you say with logical arguments. I would also appreciate your refraining from the "do the tests yourself" argument also, because it's never going to happen.

If is all goes back to the radiant energy explaining it all, then I offered up suggestions on Marthale7's page for making accurate measurements. In fact, u will hear clicks on an AM radio put next to the motor, the radiant is going out, not in.

But this is my favorite!

Drevtoobe (8 months ago)
I am an ex electrical engineer. In the real world, there are no devices to 'tap into' the so-called ZPE.
Every single free energy clip I have seen on YouTube is crap, a scam!
Check out Steorn. They FAILED to demo a free energy device in July. Check out SEG. Thay will NEVER deliver their prototype, I assure you.

introvertebrate (8 months ago)
I have to agree about steorn... I've yet to be convinced his device works... however not all free energy devices are money making scams... take bedini for example. He is showing people how to build his motor themselves! No profit to be made that way! lol

Drevtoobe (8 months ago)
Spinning a plastic wheel loaded with magnets at various angles against a plastic stator loaded with magnets at various angles will never produce energy. period. Magnets are like little springs, always giving you a NET ZERO energy gain. There is no 'magic' with respect to magnets and there is no 'magical Bedini configuration' for the magnets. It is all a fake, a scam to try to get you to purchase pulp 'free energy press' books and DVDs.

There is more... believe me, there is more! but these are just the high lights

He is going to love that there is a thread here about him!

Though I may follow your lead, aaron. If he continues to spam my channel then I may be forced to block him as well. I have told him to make vids if he has that much to say, but he refuses.

[Aaron]

I wish him the best

The reason I blocked him as of today is because he continues to repeat himself over and over in the posts and by flooding my inbox. He has twisted the meaning of some of my messages and so on. I don't have time to wade through all that distortion..it is time consuming and I have better things to do.

Some of those quotes you posted had me laughing pretty hard! A few of those were almost identical to some of the ones he sent me.

Anyway, I wish him the best and hope he does find a home online with some of the forums online like James Randi's website, the flat earth society, or the Mythbusters or something similar.

At least for those of us who choose to actually do the experiments, even if not everything is understood, which everything is not, we can get results and grow and learn and be productive.

[wpage]

Agree with Aaron here

Aaron is correct...

There are alot of these bad folks out there polluting good forums with misinformation.

It is good to get them out B4 they damage the greater good of the community here. Safety is important and people like this can cause accidents with their poor behavior.

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[theremart]

RE: Drev

Today I have started a new way of dealing with him.

I keep all the messages from him I like, show reason etc.

And DELETE all the rest.

So far 50% of the messages are going bye bye.

He is ticking everyone off, but I hope he is open to reason. And just good plain manners. He has been told that people don't like his books of posts he leaves..

If not blocking will be an option I will have to imploy, but so far, at least 50% of his post to me are reasonable, a BIG improvement he he

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he seems to hang around all the videos surrounding the ssg concept. He commented on my videos as well. I just politely told him to verify the information himself. My videos just provided a very simple way to prove the Bedini concept. I have concluded it charges caps, and in my experiments i have been able to charge normal alkaline batteries, as well as zinc carbon. I dont want to make claims, i want people to build these and try this themselves. He seemed to leave it alone at that. I'm not going to get into a scientific debate with someone who just merely sits in front of the computer and speculates. If he does a video and shows me it doesnt work, it still doesnt mean Bedini wasnt right it just means his conclusions didnt agree, but so far i havent seen any movies, and i doubt we ever will.

ps : i watched the crystals dissolve in lead acid batteries, that was my experience. I didnt take anyones word for it. i did the experiments myself. ive also saw the effect of the so-called non existent energy vaporize conventional electronics, anyone who can tame and use this is the benefactor of this non-existent effect.

[elias]

Hi

Even if he is not doing this for disinformation, his belief system will take him nowhere, because he is so locked. He is somehow locked in a very limited conventional belief system, and this is quite keeping him in pain. Lets wish him some open-mindedness.

I have the experience, that one would not "see" one does not believe. Seeing is not believing, but believing is seeing. If one does not believe Bedini's systems might work, he would never have the chance to see it working.

Elias