Electric Motor Secrets

[Eric]

thanks!!! hahaha i love finding ways to recycle junk into new projects.
but if i get this to work than for the record it was actually my neighbors idea
,we both watched the dvd, drooling at the possibllities LOL, I ,not knowing as much about motor geomitry as he, was all set to research what it would cost to custom make a new laminated C shaped core and coil when mark, my neighbor, piped up and said "that looks like a shaded pole motor!" hahaha and I with a deer caught in headlights look in my eye replied "whats a shaded pole motor?", hehe, he in turn described it and of course i just had some "lying around" in my shop from appliances i tore apart. so that said...

i didnt know about the glass in laminations and i do have a portaban saw i was tempted to use to save money but i was allready going to see if the local high school might cut it for me with there plasma cutter. do you know if there would be any problems, would i damage the motor, if i use this type of cutter. if so and since i am willing to pay a machine shop or high school to "cut it right" the first time, what type of tool would you recomend?

second i am still curious about how to cut the core. i left two possible highlighted pictures on my seb site to choose from. one of the pictures shows a cut that leaves the largest continous stator contact surface area possible. and the other picture shows a cut with a much smaller stator contact surface area. if I use the simple bar rotor idea i would be tempted to assume that first the width of the rotor bar must match the the stator "brush" width and a wider rotor/stator would give more motor torque/power because there would be more surface area on the end of the rotor to "pull" into the stator. electricly this would also mean the electric pulse duration is longer so i would use more power but... the collected cemf would be more as well so maybe the "payed for" input would be similar.... so unless you believe there is an important reason not to have the large stator surface area i will have it cut for the large one.

also i am curious as to why the S rotor wont be better and the bar idea and, since its in your dvd, when would this design be appropriate?

thanks again!!
Eric

[nali2001]

Quick unrelated question about Eric Dollard.

Hello mister Lindemann,
I’m sorry that this is unrelated to the Teal motor. But I don’t know where else to reach you. So if I may, I always wanted to know whatever happened to Eric Dollard…? I saw his work a long time ago and you were there also. He was very much in the know about the more advanced Tesla stuff. He would be an excellent contributor to this whole f.e field these days. But other than the old video’s I have never seen anything of him again. Maybe you know?

Thanks
Kind regards,
Steven

[Peter Lindemann]

Hello mister Lindemann,
I’m sorry that this is unrelated to the Teal motor. But I don’t know where else to reach you. So if I may, I always wanted to know whatever happened to Eric Dollard…? I saw his work a long time ago and you were there also. He was very much in the know about the more advanced Tesla stuff. He would be an excellent contributor to this whole f.e field these days. But other than the old video’s I have never seen anything of him again. Maybe you know?

Thanks
Kind regards,
Steven

Steven,

Eric is a brilliant engineer by training. He is the most knowledgeable person I know regarding the duplication of Tesla's Magnifying Transmitters. I have not seen Eric since 1989 and do not know what he has been doing. Sorry.

Peter

[Larz]

clarification of back emf

Hi all,
Im new to this group, and sadly to say I havent viewed the DVD. But im really curious and would like to get one thing straight here about the back emf. just listened on the sterling d allan interview...

Someone please correct me if im wrong.

Lets imagine 2 experiments. they are very basic and similar. they consist of an electromagnet, a powersource and a switch.

in experiment number 1 we activate the electromagnet and exert a pull on a target, in this case a piece of soft iron. If we have a whole bunch of measuring equipment, we can take readings of all sorts of things, but basically we can see that it takes a certain ammount of electrical energy to get some mechanical work done (pull the target with xx newtons)

in experiment nr 2 we have a permanent magnet instead of the soft iron as a target. so when we switch in the electromagnet the magnet is drawn closer ( if the emagnet is wired for pull N/S) . And if i get the thinking right by what is presented here, then just by moving the perm.magnet closer we increase the magnets field strenghth and hence there will be a counter emf produced in the electromagnet? so if we design the second experiment to show the same ammount of MECHANICAL work being done, there should be MORE electrical drawn from the powersource in the second case?

Is this so? If it is then we have a really nice thing coming up
I just want it confirmed, because i have a few very nice ideas for a motor that will use this idea.

Lars

[Ted Ewert]

Hi Peter,
I made it through your DVD on Sunday morning. Although I was familiar with much of the theory, you really opened my eyes to counter emf. Also, your explanation about the containment of the magnetic field was awsome.
I've built a few Bedini motors, the window motor being the latest. It has very little counter EMF and runs quite efficiently as a motor.
Nevertheless, I'm already designing a motor in my mind to take advantage of your concepts. It will combine your ideas along with a few from Bedini and some other guys.
Who would have thunk that the simple solenoid could be so efficient. Thanks so much for passing along your wisdom. Motors are so much fun.

Ted

[Peter Lindemann]

Lars and Ted

Hi Guys,

Lars, your experiment is missing a big component having to do with designing an efficient solenoid to produce high levels of mechanical energy. You really need to see the DVD before its worth discussing your suggestion. OK?

Ted, glad you "got it!" Before you build anything, contact me directly, and we can discuss what you plan. There are some subtleties to these things that may not be apparent at first glance.

Peter

[Larz]

No back emf?

Peter,

I'm trying to figure out if it is a must for me or not to buy this DVD of yours. I'm on a tight budget and there are some concearns about the explanation you give. so in order for me to decide if it is worth the money i have to cut through the marketing "glazing" and to really know that i can learn something by it that i can not anywhere else... generally the information is present if you try hard enough to find it.

anyway, take a look on powerlabs where sam barros shows his can crusher project. in it he says:

All of them share one thing in common: The use of a large, bulky, high-voltage capacitor to deliver, through a spark gap, a massive electrical impulse to a coil of wire inside which the can is inserted. This enormous current induces an even larger current (by transformer effect: Suppose the coil has 3 turns of wire. The can, representing a single turn, will thus have a current that is 3 times as large induced on it) on the thin aluminium surface of a metal can. This rotating current (also known as an eddy current) has a magnetic field associated with it (proportional to the current involved), which, being the same polarity as the field on the coil, will cause the can walls to be repelled and hence to collapse in upon themselves.

so even if teals system uses a electromagnet to pull on a piece of iron, wich lacks its own magnet field, the eddy currents created will AS I SEE IT produce a back emf in the coil the ordinary way? correct me if im wrong here.

maybe that the back emf is present but way smaller than ordinary?
OR there are some other things in work here.

My first blogpost on teslas battery-operated tesla-coil, shows how yoy can catch the voltage spike when the current is cutoff. perhaps you guys here can use this setup to power your coils? and to catch the kick-back. i believe that this is what john bedin does?

the motorcoil in teslas patent may be exchanged for your electromagnet and you may skip the primary side of the teslacoil completely. just short circuit the capacitor, open the switch, Cap charges up, dump the charge through a secondary battery bank, and start all over again. simple.

I was planning to build a motor on this design, that pushes on neodymium magnets, and to catch the voltage spike in the cap for recovery. and just by coincident happened to find this info about no or reduced back emf. i figured it might be even more economical in power terms than a bedini looking pulse motor. or EV Gray for that matter...

so i have not made my mind up yet if you guys have something special or not. time will definately tell... some of you, me or someone else will of course build a working electric motor that brings out a whole lot of mechanical work by just a small ammount of electrical input. this is the ultimate goal for the world, a goal we all should work together to achieve...

best regards,
Lars

[Aaron]

Electric Motor Secrets Interview

Sterling D. Allan of Free Energy Now Radio Station interviewed Dr. Peter Lindemann about Electric Motor Secrets and Bob Teal's Magnipulsion Engine. Visit this page for more information: Bob Teal

Or use this link to listen to the interview directly or right click on this link to save it to your computer:
Electric Motor Secrets Interview 53 minutes long mp3 format.

[Aaron]

Bob Teal misc discussion

Hi all,

For anyone who has not seen the Electric Motor Secrets DVD, please feel free to use this thread to post your comments:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...searching.html

If you want a copy to see a copy, go here: Electric Motor Secrets

[Peter Lindemann]

Back EMF Questions...

so even if teals system uses a electromagnet to pull on a piece of iron, which lacks its own magnet field, the eddy currents created will AS I SEE IT produce a back emf in the coil the ordinary way? correct me if I'm wrong here.

maybe that the back emf is present but way smaller than ordinary?
OR there are some other things in work here.


Lars,

Just to clarify one more time. There is ALWAYS back EMF in a COIL, both when it is energized and when it is discharged. This is caused by Lenz Law and is responsible for the "rise time" and "decay" characteristics of the current in the coil. In the attraction motor, where only an iron piece is attracted to the magnetic poles, all of the back EMF effects remain in the COIL and do not appear in the ROTOR or affect the generation of mechanical energy. In an ordinary induction motor, the current carrying conductors on the rotor also have a reverse generated voltage on them produced by their movement in the magnetic field of the stator. This effect is absent in the magnetic attraction motors I discuss. This situation produces a new set of advantages that are not present in other designs.

You seem to have plenty of interesting ideas to explore, and probably should wait to buy the DVD until others build some working models. You can always catch up later.

Peter

[k4zep]

Hi Peter and all,

I built a small solenoid motor a few months ago while researching the Gray device. It is a converted R/C motor, solenoid driven, about 1000VDC 3-400us square wave pulse because of capture diode across coil to hold energy in the coil. Power comes from a step-charged 1uf, 3000 V. oilfilled cap, IGBT driver triggered by a photo-intrupter off the flywheel. Would run very fast but is VERY out of balance due to weight of solenoid plug. Probably had it up to about 4K a couple times.

I guess it is basically a Teal motor although I wasn't aware of his work in the past.

I watched the "video" on the web and mine is just the same but much higher voltage as I discovered the effects seem to multiply as the voltage goes up. All back EMF goes back into the solenoid to provide full use of the pulse for mechanical effort.

There is a picture at: http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/grou...view/df46?b=26

The limitations to post pictures on this site seem to be very limited so I just put it in there and they were gracious enough to accept it.

Could post a video if anyone interested.....

Enjoy
Ben

[Ted Ewert]

NICE motor Ben! Were you pulsing it with a Gray type conversion tube? I would be very interested in seeing your circuit if you care to show it.
I have a question for Peter: What, if any, difference is there between your flux motor and a variable reluctance motor?
I can see why you developed that "S" rotor. Otherwise you would have a step motor. I can also see that pulse switching via detection of the armature position would be preferable. Otherwise you would have to slowly increase the frequency of the pulses until you got to the speed you wanted. A healthy flywheel wouldn't hurt either.
Ted

Hi Peter and all,

I built a small solenoid motor a few months ago while researching the Gray device. It is a converted R/C motor, solenoid driven, about 1000VDC 3-400us square wave pulse because of capture diode across coil to hold energy in the coil. Power comes from a step-charged 1uf, 3000 V. oilfilled cap, IGBT driver triggered by a photo-intrupter off the flywheel. Would run very fast but is VERY out of balance due to weight of solenoid plug. Probably had it up to about 4K a couple times.

I guess it is basically a Teal motor although I wasn't aware of his work in the past.

I watched the "video" on the web and mine is just the same but much higher voltage as I discovered the effects seem to multiply as the voltage goes up. All back EMF goes back into the solenoid to provide full use of the pulse for mechanical effort.

There is a picture at: http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/grou...view/df46?b=26

The limitations to post pictures on this site seem to be very limited so I just put it in there and they were gracious enough to accept it.

Could post a video if anyone interested.....

Enjoy
Ben

[Joehan]

Houston we have a problem

@Peter,

it seems some wrong interpretation is circling around. The information from the Bob Teal interview made it worse and many are thinking about a simple BEMF recycler. In my opinion it's an addon and not the main key! It would be nice if you can make a clear statement here which i can forward to the gnosis forum.

Thanx,
Joehan

That's a post from the gn0sis forum
rickfriedrich wrote:
[quote]Peter L's New DVD shows no secrets as advertised. My comments are below these relavent quotes.

John_Bedini wrote:

Ted,
snip...
Also in the NEW movie, I built the engine you see running, I did the switching. as Teal's motor was not capable of charging any battery. the circuit you see with teal's drawing is not for storing energy at all. The circuit is a spark suppression for the points. The teal motor is not capable of charging batteries until you use the monopole circuit for recovery.
I'm not going to say anything more. Remember closing down all the fields is not an open system, no recovery possible.
John

Eddie Currentz wrote:

Two things happened yesterday that have given me pause for thought. I watched Peter Lindeman’s new video on motors, and I hooked up my window motor to the shaft on my monopole to act strictly as a generator.
I found out that this window motor sucks as a generator. Even with all its windings in series it only generates about 8 volts @1000 RPM on an OPEN circuit, and this only after a minute or two. This made me realize that I am not going to get a lot of energy back from this motor no matter how it’s wired.
Peter made an interesting observation, among many, in his presentation when describing the limitations of modern motor design. He observed that with most motors, eliminating or overcoming back EMF is impossible with their current geometry.
This made me start thinking about how much I could expect to get from this motor. As a motor it runs fairly efficiently and produces pretty good torque on the shaft. As a generator it blows.
I’m going to try and build a dynamometer similar to the one peter describes in his video. Then I’m going to start working on getting more power out of this motor for the same input. For me it’s going to be more productive to get a better COP than a self runner.
Now, if anyone has a highly efficient generator design…

Ted

Peter L's New DVD shows no secrets as advertised

I hesitated to post this on this list because I don't want to distract anyone. But for the sake of the truth I had to write this, and John encouraged me to. I also have no personal conflict with Peter, my last visit with him was very good. This email concerns Peter's new DVD, and the credibility of free energy videos, etc.

Chronological Overview:
On my first visit (July 2005) to John's shop Peter was very nice and showed me many of John's machines. At the end he showed me this supposed Teal setup, which now I find out John really built (and not Peter, and it was also not a Teal machine but a Bedini machine). This is the motor shown in Peter's new DVD. I was allowed to film everything in the shop, and take pictures of everything but this setup. This was all hush hush, not for John but Peter everything about it was whispered. I was shown a stack of papers of old patents going back over 100 years, which John shared now that mostly came from him. So I went home wondering if this was the most important thing. I looked up the patents but did not find anything significant; and after a little experimenting went on from there to other more important setups.

The setup was what you saw, but had the hall switching, which may or may not have still been on there in the DVD. In the DVD you see no circuit but you can see 4 or 5 strands coming off of the coil and beside that another clump of strands together, which was a multistrand coil Bedini uses for stage 2 monopoles. These go to several transistors but they are not shown. All you see is a big aluminum heat sink. But the impression you get is that this is a Teal motor, which it is not as I write below.

On my last visit to the shop some weeks back Peter showed up now and then doing his own thing and adding a few comments about this window motor experiment and Mikes setup. He was filming this DVD by himself in the back. He talked to me about various points as you see in the DVD. I wasn't sure of where he was going with all this and didn't have time to get into it.

Not long after this time Aaron starting promoting Teal and this new DVD by Peter. So below you see the progress of the posts and my responses.

My concern below is this, that several things (secrets) are promised and not delivered. Secondly, we have no way of knowing if any secrets are known or if any really even exit. Thirdly, the only significant thing in this DVD is nothing new, but is John's recovery circuit. Fourthly, Teal is made to be the grand savior of the environment and world economy when nothing significant is presented of his work, while it is really John's recovery that has the most significance. Fifthly, the final motor is only theory and no demonstration is given, as well as no demonstration of Teal's motor working or recovering anything. All of this adds up to a big question of what is the purpose of the video? I am forced to say that it is not just bad editing but bad science. I only say this for the cause of truth. I wish I did not have to write this. I just cannot support these claims. Below you will see more details about specific claims in the book. Please correct me if I am wrong in any statements above or below.

Rick

> > > > a1c3m <qiman13@> wrote:
> > > > Hi all, we had to change the web address:
> > > >
> > > > Bob Teal missing interview:
> > > > Energetic Science Ministries | Bob Teal | Magnipulsion
> <http://www.esmhome.org/library/bob-teal/index.html>
> > > > You can now watch this on Youtube right on that page.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Teal discussion forum about Electric Motor Secrets:
> > > > http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/
> <http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/>
> > > >
> > > > Peter Lindemann will be posting some info about his new video release in the next 24 hours.
> > > >
> > > > Take care!
> > > > Aaron

> > --- In Magnetricity@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Magnetricity%40yahoogroups.com>, "a1c3m" <qiman13@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That electromagnetic piston is a pretty cool concept but in Peter's new video, he shows how he eliminated the need for that in a more simplified rotor style. Will be giving more details here:
> > > http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lectric-motor-
> <http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor->
> > secrets.html
> > >
> > > --- In Magnetricity@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Magnetricity%40yahoogroups.com>, Rick Friedrich
> > > <rickfriedrich@> wrote:
> > > >

[Joehan]

Houston we have a problem

> > > > I saw Peter's first prototype on my first visit and was there when he was filming this latest film. Looks interesting. I like the monopole better but I have not replicated this yet (got started on it last year but never finished). This is one way to relatively easily replace the fuel heads on combustion engines with electric solinoid heads. And this solves the major problem with the degenerating batteries in the new hybrids...
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > Aaron,
> >
> > I have watched the new DVD now and have not found it convincing. I don't have time to do a review of this long video.
> >
> > Number one concern: Bob Teal's motor did not have recovery. The motor shown was not Teal's recovery but Bedini's. Teal's was fundamentally different than Bedini's in this point, also that one is electromagnet and the other is permanent magnet. The capacitor WITH resitor does not hold the juice because it is a resistor, nothing is shown to support the suggestion that this is anything more than to help reduce the arcing on the contacts. So there is nothing really important with
> > Teal, unless there is some minor benefits with the kind of solinoid arangements.
> >
> > I do not feel that BEMF and charging of batteries with these kind of setups is covered sufficiently or even correctly. The video starts off with conventional theory in this matter and it is hard to follow where or if he departs from that. How can conventional theory explain the charging of batteries in Bedini's recovery system? This is fundamental.
> >
> > We do not see Teal's setup run, nor it's efficiency to be able to judge Peter's claims in this respect. However, the one shown is presented in a way that appears as if it is Teal's motor. I have seen this run in person and saw the circuit and it is not Teal's circuit (that is the motor shown running charging the battery). No testing of the torque is shown on this as on the conventional motors previously (besides a small generator powering a bulb very very shortly).
> >
> > I'm not going to comment on the Lindermann Rotary Attraction Motor because none is shown running.
> >
> > Everything about the DVD sounds conventional but the minor points relating to Bedini's recovery.
> >
> > All other statements relating to other inventors were not
> > demonstrated.
> >
> > Further, I do not see how the COP = 8.6 near the end of the video in his COP Analysis. I don't see several points explained or supported.
> >
> > At the very end he says "Motor designs that produce no back emf have been around for 170 years... These designs use a single electromagnet to attract a piece of iron and never use permenent magnets at all."
> > This is not correct and I wonder why this statement is made.
> Perhaps this is one of the several mistakes made in the editing.
> >
> > And what follows about Teal's system being so good was not established in the video.
> >
> > These are my thoughts about the video in the process of watching and finishing it.
> >
> > Rick Friedrich

rickfriedrich wrote:
>
> Aaron,
>
> Below is the quote from the website where you order the DVD. Notice that it says that Teal's "engine produced COPs between 8 and 10." In the video I don't see any supportive statement about this claim and I don't know if it even was claimed (from the video or reading the patents myself almost 2 years ago). Maybe Teal made that claim somewhere, I would like to know that. The only statment about COP = 8.6 in the video that I remember was in reference to some kind of calculations of a solinoid setup with Bedini recovery, where 85% was factored in as recovery, so this does not at all support any COP greater than 1 with Teal. Again, without the Bedini process I don't see what is significant about all this. However, if the collapsing field pushes the rod away (while the swtich is disconnected) then I suppose you do have some additive nature in torque benefits, but the cap with resistor would seem to prevent that. Nothing is shown in the video about this because Bedini's circuit was used instead.
>
> Here is the quote:
> Free Energy - Electric Motor Secrets, Bob Teal | Magnipulsion, Edwin Gray, Nikola Tesla, and other books & videos by Dr Peter Lindemann <http://free-energy.ws/products.html>
> "Electric Motor Secrets by Peter A. Lindemann, D.Sc.
> Laying dormant within the modern electric motor is a deep, dark secret. For the last 176 years, that secret has held the electric motor to its present level of performance. But in 1975, a quantum leap in electric motor design was made by an American inventor named Bob Teal. Teal's Magnipulsion Engine produced COPs between 8 and 10.
> Using lab demonstrations, patents, diagrams, and private documents, Dr. Lindemann takes you on a trip through the history of electric motors, resurrecting the secret of Magnipulsion, and revealing the future of electric motor design. (2 hrs 30 minutes)"
>
> Here is another quote of interest:
> Free Energy, Bob Teal | Magnipulsion, Dr Peter Lindemann
> <http://www.free-energy.ws/bob-teal.html>
> "After retirement in 1972, Bob and Beatrice moved from Honolulu to Madison, Florida. Like many creative people, "retirement" didn't agree with him. With nothing else to do, he decided to build a model of the sci-fi engine he had invented for his novel. It worked! The Magnipulsion Engine produced large amounts of mechanical energy while running on small pulses of DC current to its electro-magnetic coils.
> In addition, when the power coils were turned off, the circuitry could also recapture most of this input electricity from the collapsing magnetic fields to recharge his batteries or run other loads. It was a quantum leap in electric motor design."
>
> I don't see how the circuit would give this much mechanical, I did not see large amounts of mechanical, nor could the setup as shown in the video recapture really any of the input. The only capture was due to Bedini's recovery system placed on Peter's motor.
> Now, I just saw the short video advertisement for Peter's video and it certainly claims to use the BEMF, and it shows it supposedly running bulbs with no hinderance to the motor opperation. But this does not result from what is shown in the patents or what Peter showed of Teal's system. You would have to modify this the right way.
> What I do see is that Teal's system as shown may prevent the destructive BEMF from flowing back, by flowing into the cap while the resistor right away drains the cap but not recharging the battery. So the hindering of the BEMF makes it more efficient, but it is not captured to any use as shown. You would have to gate it out of the system the right way to be used, as John has done. If he did do that it is not shown.
>
> In this short clip at the end we read: "Dr. Linderman takes you on a trip through the history of electric motors, resurrecting the secret of Magnipulsion, and revealing the future of electric motor design.
> You will learn how Bob Teal exceeded 1.0 COP with his Magnipulsion motors. For the first time in history, all his secrets will be revealed."
>
> But this is the very thing that is not shown. We do not see a Teal motor running in the new video.
>
> Further, the news article listed mentions that the setup had magnets. But the new video says it only used electromagnets and no magnets. Further quote "A small magnipulsion engine could operate a home cnetral air conditioner for about 50 cents per day." This was in the seventies. 50 cents today would give you 5kwh, and back then much more. So this is not a full recovery setup, and if this was true it does not seem as powerful as made out in the video. Maybe I am missing something here.
>
> Finally, reading the brochure by Magneteal Industries Inc., I see no statement of its efficiencies or COP, so I don't know where these figures come from other than the Bedini modification. The paper has several questions asking this very kind of thing and all that is mentioned is that it is but a fraction of what is used in conventional systems, or that it would cost pennies a day. $0.50 a day for central air in the 1970's. Anyway, I would be curious to see any specific claims or specific circuits that show recovery.
>
> Rick

Russel Prier <russelp@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Hi Rick,
Dont forget a wirewound resistor is also an inductor I know of one person in the US who achieved COP of 8 by pulsing a resistor in the right way and at the right frequency.

[Joehan]

Houston we have a problem

We all still have much to learn here yet.
All the best Russ P.

Russel,
My point is not that Teal did or didn't have anything, but that we have not been shown how the very basic commutator switching could do 8.6 COP, which the ad said we would be shown all Teal's secrets. Just what kind of pulsing and switching is necessary to do that? No values of the little arc prevention cap and resistor are given. No instruction is given of how Teal powered those bulbs or fed it back into the front end or even if he charged other batteries. The only thing we have like this shown is the bedini circuit. I don't see any support for Teal doing what Peter claimed. Pulsed DC with conventional circuitry does not give you OU or COP 8.6. All of us have long seen this--the difference between pulsed DC and bedini recovery. The video, but for the bedini element, is conventional circuitry pulsed DC. I don't see it a secret now revealed because it only shows Teal's patent circuit and no recovery. I think the video is like an introduction to pulsed DC. Now we need to see just what is claimed, the secret of how Teal powered those bulbs with his circuit. Secondly, why conventional pulsed DC cannot produce COP over 1. We could see with those first motors shown on the bench that you cannot get this with constant current or pulsed DC. Then we could compare that with the Bedini system, as shown, and see some recovery. But if you remove the multistrand coil and transistors and put the one wire solinoid with very simple mechanical switching that Teal had with one arc prevention cap and resistor, what would you see? This is all that we have been shown that Teal had. If he had more then all Teal's secrets have not been shown. If this is all that Teal had then he had no recovery and thus far from COP 8.6. Does this make sense Russ and Aaron? Maybe I fell asleep and missed something when I watched it the other night. The question is not so much whether Teal could get 8 or 10 COP but was this secret shown? Not whether Bedini did this with a solinoid as we know John has done many things like this, but how Teal did this. The presentation puts Teal as the solution to the whole electric engine problem, but how so? Please help me understand as I am a very serious researcher.
Rick[/quote][/quote]