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  • Welcome, Twoody

    Originally posted by twoody View Post
    HI
    I would just like to thank Peter for sharing this idea that has got us all thinking about doing something. I am like many out there that are following this forum and working on a motor but have not shared my progress.

    I am using a 1/3 hp AC induction phase 1 motor that is readily available at yard sales. I happen to have one from a broken drill press.

    It had a stator core with 24 poles. I removed every other one to 12 (hacksaw). Very low tech. this was to make the winding easier and allow time between pulses. The idea is to pules 6 at a time. and to use Steven's suggestion to change polarity on each pulse. The core is an aluminum and steal mix. it had a smooth surface so I marked it for 6 points that are slightly larger then the stator and removed the rest with a grinder. Sorry I have no fancy machining equipment. If it doesn't work I will have to have one made. The affect of this type of core will be interesting to say the lest.

    I am in the process of winding the stator with 22 gage wire and 20, 2 wire winds. Peter's Idea of doing this in 12 separate windings came just in time. I will try running with 12 volts first, then increase to 24.

    I plan on following Jetijs excellent work with the circuit design. using the photo switch and a CD with slots attached to the end of the pulley.

    I am having a great time learning about electric motors and circuit designed.

    Thanks again for all your inspiration.
    Twoody,

    Welcome to the group. Excellent work so far. The model you are building will teach you the truth about many things. Each design, and every design feature, functions as a specific "question" you are asking of Nature. The behavior of the design is Nature's "answer" to your question. And Nature NEVER LIES!

    In this process, there are no "mistakes", there is only "learning". As the process moves forward, if the machine behaves in ways that are different than what you intended, it means that Nature is telling you something important about the design. It's like, if you get the wrong answer(result), its only because you asked the wrong question (design).

    With this in mind, I am going to suggest that the original rotor for the induction motor may not be suitable as a starting point for a rotor for this new kind of motor. In the original configuration, the presence of aluminum mixed with the iron causes cross-inductions which are used by the rotating magnetic field to cause DRAG in the rotor, forcing it to follow along. The iron conducts the magnetic field coming from the stator. As the conducted magnetic field interacts with the aluminum, it induces a current that is at right angles to the magnetic field in the iron. This induced current in the aluminum produces a second magnetic field that now drags against the primary field. The complex interaction of these TWO magnetic fields cause the rotor to turn and deliver torque.

    In this new style of motor, however, this is not the principle we want operating in the rotor. All we are looking for is a piece of iron to be attracted to the magnetic field of the stator, with no interferences.

    But keep working on winding the coils and putting the circuit together. Then try the rotor you have made, but don't be too surprised if it turns slowly or weakly.

    One last thought. People like to believe they are building a "free energy machine". This is NOT TRUE. What you are doing is building a "science experiment". If you learn, step by step, and don't quit, you will EVENTUALLY build a model of an electric motor with a COP>1.

    Keep up the great work.

    Peter
    Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

    Open System Thermodynamics Perpetual Motion Reality Electric Motor Secrets
    Battery Secrets Magnet Secrets Tesla's Radiant Energy Real Rain Making
    Bedini SG: The Complete Handbook Series Magnetic Energy Secrets

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    • Video

      Nothing all that spectacular but, here I have another video demonstrating some overall practical info in regard to introducing magnetism to a laminated core efficiently.

      http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/CoreTesting5.wmv

      Regards,
      Steven

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      • Originally posted by nali2001 View Post
        Nothing all that spectacular but, here I have another video demonstrating some overall practical info in regard to introducing magnetism to a laminated core efficiently.

        Regards,
        Steven

        Excellent Video; It was surprising to see the effects the magnets had placed inside the C-Core.

        Thank you,

        Schpankme

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        • These motors are the coolest. Great job guys!
          Peter says: "In this process, there are no "mistakes", there is only "learning". As the process moves forward, if the machine behaves in ways that are different than what you intended, it means that Nature is telling you something important about the design. It's like, if you get the wrong answer(result), its only because you asked the wrong question (design)". This is great wisdom. I've learned more by building and running motors than I ever could reading about them.
          I would encourage anyone following this fascinating process, who may think this is all beyond their abilities, to start playing with small DC motors and get familiar with them. Take them apart and see how they work. Goof around and experiment with them. You'll soon find yourself understanding interesting things.
          If you then continue, you'll get hooked like the rest of us poor slobs and be scrounging parts on the weekends, building 'till all hours of the night and constantly thinking how you can improve your projects. It's great fun.

          Cheers,

          Ted

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          • Off topic lol?

            Well this might be very off topic but I just want to say Merry Christmas to you all and a happy and productive 2008!


            Kind regards,
            Steven

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            • Happy New Year

              Everybody,

              Happy New Year, everybody. 2008 looks like it is going to be a very exciting year for Alternative Energy Research.

              To everyone who has posted to this forum, thank you for your participation, your ideas, your questions, and your experimental models. You are the ones who keep this forum interesting and moving forward.

              To everyone who has been viewing this forum, but has yet to post, thank you for your interest and consideration of these ideas.

              You all have made this forum the most viewed thread on the Energetic Sciences site.

              Thank you all for participating. I am deeply grateful.

              Onward to an exciting new Year!

              Peter
              Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

              Open System Thermodynamics Perpetual Motion Reality Electric Motor Secrets
              Battery Secrets Magnet Secrets Tesla's Radiant Energy Real Rain Making
              Bedini SG: The Complete Handbook Series Magnetic Energy Secrets

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              • Hello, Peter and all forum members

                Hi Guys,

                It's great to see such a good forum researching a better development of the electric motor/generator.Peter, I have to say I've been following your work for some time now and admire your persistence to show Less knowledgable people how various inventors motors may have worked and/or harnessed radiant energy.I just wanted to run a quick idea by you.With regard to the Teal motor it would seem that it would produce more torque if the end of the piston had a coil on it minus the distance the piston sucks into the stationary coil of course.Well,I dont mean to deviate from the great work going on here,but I just wanted to throw that out there.Also,Since I've seen you have visited with Bill Muller in the past do you know if he magnetized his cores when they were setting up.Thx in advance And continued success to all

                -Gary A
                Last edited by gmeat; 01-01-2008, 09:21 PM.

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                • Confusion....

                  Originally posted by gmeat View Post
                  Hi Guys,

                  It's great to see such a good forum researching a better development of the electric motor/generator.Peter, I have to say I've been following your work for some time now and admire your persistence to show Less knowledgable people how various inventors motors may have worked and/or harnessed radiant energy.I just wanted to run a quick idea by you.With regard to the Teale motor it would seem that it would produce more torque if the end of the piston had a coil on it minus the distance the piston sucks into the stationary coil of course.Well,I dont mean to deviate from the great work going on here,but I just wanted to throw that out there.Also,Since I've seen you have visited with Bill Muller in the past do you know if he magnetized his cores when they were setting up.Thx in advance And continued success to all

                  -Gary A
                  Dear Gary,

                  Thanks for your interest in these ideas, and for thinking about these motor configurations. When you look through the historical developments of early "solenoid motors", you see that there was significant confusion about the relative benefits of a passive, iron plunger and a fully magnetized plunger in the solenoid. Both ideas are well represented in the patent record. The designs that use a magnetized plunger can produce MORE TORQUE across a larger air-gap, so many inventors believed this was a superior design. The normal appearance of Back EMF in the motors operation was expected. The inventors who used passive iron plungers realized that the lack of Back EMF in the operation of their designs was an IMPORTANT feature, and that torque could be increased by minimizing the air-gap between the stationary and movable pieces. Each group routinely discounted the claims of the other, and advanced their own beliefs.

                  For the purposes of this forum, maximizing torque "at all costs" is not the object of these designs. We are only interested in "maximizing torque" that is produced as a BY-PRODUCT of magnetic field production. You are correct that more torque could be produced by putting a second coil on the movable plunger, but this situation would cause TWO MAGNETIC FIELDS to interact, produce cross-inductions in each other, and create the dreaded Back EMF. So, that design reduces the machine to classical operation where COP>1 is unlikely.

                  Bill Muller's coil cores were made from compressed Magnetite and epoxy. They did not hold a residual magnetic field.

                  Thanks for your questions.

                  Peter
                  Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

                  Open System Thermodynamics Perpetual Motion Reality Electric Motor Secrets
                  Battery Secrets Magnet Secrets Tesla's Radiant Energy Real Rain Making
                  Bedini SG: The Complete Handbook Series Magnetic Energy Secrets

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                  • Peter

                    Thx for the quick response Peter,

                    I just wanted to throw that idea at you for your opinion.My thoughts were more torque, But maybe that arrangment might somehow have an effect on the radiant spike on a bifilar wound coil as well?,Dam back EMF.Let me just make it clear I DONT have ANY experience with regard to electronics in general (but I have built the bedini ssg to get my feet wet and try to learn about this field as I am EXTREMELY interested with this field of research).I have read most of the info in this forum and the other links in this sight as well as watched some of your presentations.Let me just say between you, Mr Bedini and Tom Bearden I'm just fascinated with all of your collective research.Ok, let me stop rumbling on.Thx for all the countless hours of research and I'll try not to be a Distraction to the excellent progress of this forum.


                    -Gary A
                    Last edited by gmeat; 01-03-2008, 05:01 PM.

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                    • Hi all, happy and joyful new year
                      Just a quick update. I sent my silicon steel plates to the laser cutter and they will be ready on Thursday. Also my image hosting server is down, that is why you can't see any of my pictures. I am sorry for that, I do not know when they will fix that.
                      Thanks,
                      Jetijs
                      It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                      • Geocities

                        Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                        Hi all, happy and joyful new year
                        Just a quick update. I sent my silicon steel plates to the laser cutter and they will be ready on Thursday. Also my image hosting server is down, that is why you can't see any of my pictures. I am sorry for that, I do not know when they will fix that.
                        Thanks,
                        Jetijs
                        Hi Jetijs,

                        Why don't you put them on somewhere like geocities? It is more reliable and it is your web place. And of course it will be easier for other people to access all of your photos.

                        Elias
                        Humility, an important property for a COP>1 system.
                        http://blog.hexaheart.org

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                        • Elias, I just don't trust these geocities and imageshack image hosting services. Also the upload speed is slow from my internet provider. I will rather find another hosting service in my country.

                          A quick update.
                          As I promissed, my parts have been cut and I got them today. Looks very nice (see the attached image). Now I need to get a 4mm stainless steel rod and make a thread for the nuts on each side. Then I will be ready to assemble the plates together
                          Thanks,
                          Jetijs
                          Attached Files
                          It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                          • Theres a small problem, the plates have a minimal burned "fuzz" on the cut edges. That means that I will have to remove this fuzz by scratching it off with a sharp knife. It is not too hard, but it is very boring, I spent whole day to get through the rotor pieces (about 200 of them), now I started working on the stator plates, its a lot slower, but I am slowly developing a remarkable patience
                            Also I think, that I will have to use some kind of glue on the stator plates, because the four bolts wont squeeze the pole parts tight enough as they are too far from the bolts. Any suggestions? Maybe super glue?
                            Thanks,
                            Jetijs
                            It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                            • Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                              Maybe super glue?
                              These days epoxy based glues are usually used for bonding steel plating. Superglue is extremely non-elastic since it's based on the celulosis compound.
                              http://www.nequaquamvacuum.com/en/en...n/alt-sci.html
                              http://www.neqvac.com

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                              • Thanks lighty
                                I will try that on some spare plates
                                It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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