Suppressed Technologies and Inventors

[Chip Shorter]

On the topic of suppression did anybody see the documentery "Who Killed the Electric Car?". Really good imho.

[theremart]

RE: who killed the Electric car..

On the topic of suppression did anybody see the documentery "Who Killed the Electric Car?". Really good imho.

I loved it!....

Sony did a terrific job on that...

Another flick if you like that one is "The Tucker"
Tucker: The Man and His Dream (1988)

More info about the real details...
Preston Tucker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What I liked about it, is it showed both sides of the issue...

After watching it, I tried to think of it from the company's side. What if I was forced to sell a product that was costing me money.....

Still to know that those in power will crush that which destroys their profit margins is a present and real reality.

[rickoff]

Re: Tucker movie

Hi folks,

Thanks for the good posts. They really did kill the electric car (the EV-1), and because they were just too good. They never sold any of them - just leased them out to customers, then later simply rounded them all up and hauled them away. Most were given to universities, minus of course the controller systems. The universities have had some luck reverse engineering the controller systems, and one is to be seen here, courtesy of the University of Wisconsin: YouTube - Working EV1 !! You can see the "Who Killed the Electric Car" video at this site: YouTube - Who Killed the Electric Car? (Part 1 of 11)

I loved the Tucker movie, and I have probably watched it at least a half dozen times. It brings home the reality that if you are not filthy rich already then you don't stand any chance whatsoever of building and marketing a product that makes the competition look bad. They're just not going to allow that to happen. Only 51 Tucker prototypes were built for 1948, when financing went bad. Still, many of these cars are alive and roadworthy today. Check it out at the Tucker Club: news

As a sidenote, I heard that they opened a new Shell Hydrogen refueling station a couple of days ago in California. Seems that governor Arnold wants to establish his Hydrogen superhighway. There are 25 refueling stsions in California now. Great idea - that should help clean up some of the smog. Hydrogen production at the Shell station will be done on-site by the electrolysis of water using 'green electricity' purchased from the Los Angeles City Department of Water & Power. It will then be compressed and stored to provide daily fueling. I wonder, though, what people are getting whacked there for a Hydrogen fillup. This note from Shell's Hydrogen FAQ seems to explain things just as I expected: "How much does hydrogen cost compared to petrol at the present moment? This is comparing apples and pears. There is no existing commercial market for hydrogen yet. However we have publicly stated that we expect a tank of hydrogen ultimately will get you as far as the same tank filled with petrol for about the same costs."

Now isn't that just ducky?

[theremart]

Hi folks,

Thanks for the good posts. They really did kill the electric car (the EV-1), and because they were just too good. They never sold any of them - just leased them out to customers, then later simply rounded them all up and hauled them away. Most were given to universities, minus of course the controller systems. The universities have had some luck reverse engineering the controller systems, and one is to be seen here, coutresy of the University of Wisconsin: YouTube - Working EV1 !! You can see the "Who Killed the Electric Car" video at this site: YouTube - Who Killed the Electric Car? (Part 1 of 11)

Think about that...

If you are working actively to promote alternative electric cars, then WHY WHY do you remove the working controllers of the car?

You are right, they made it TOO good and they must hide that which opens the minds. Better closed minds to the only solution the SUV.

[deggers]

Tesla's vocabulary for dummies

Dear Dambit,

If you Google "magnesium sheet", there are 2.7 million hits. I think the days of not being able to find things are over. When in doubt, just do a Google search. Its out there!

Hope this helps.

Peter

Hi Peter,

I did a Google search for "Tesla's vocabulary for dummies".

I know there's at least one copy on the planet. ;-)

Duane

[jibbguy]

Time to target academia?

One thing that interests me on this subject is, how the heck are so many university science dept's kept from studying these technologies... It would seem there is a very coordinated effort somewhere to insure they do not.

You would think that somewhere, somehow one of these profs or university administration people would speak out about it.

i understand how the grant system works (i used to sell electronic test & measurement equipment to research labs), and its all about money, writing props, abstracts, getting published, the next years' funds. I'm sure that's how it is controlled: via the tyranny of the grant. But still, some tenured faculty should be *****ing about how they couldn't get their dept. heads to let them study very promising and important technology. Even if only, say 15% would be willing to speak out, that's still hundreds. We should have heard of at least a few.

And thesis work: Are there many thesis being written on this stuff, and were the authors flunked for it, lol? Or were they threatened not to use that subject? Some of these post-grads and associates should be complaining too.

This subject could be a great way to publicize and change the situation if we could get information and witnesses to suppression on this. I suspect that if this is going on (as it must be, or there would be university studies on free energy subjects by the score), then many of the people involved are not happy about it, and pressuring them a little may make them speak out, especially if they thought there would be others doing it too.

University faculty and admins should be an enlightened bunch.... As a population group anyway, lol. It should be our best chance at breaking through, of getting some traction. But there is utter silence from there so far. Why?

Imo.. All it will take is a brave few, and many more will speak out, and then the suppression will collapse and end. They cant go around killing profs who have gone public on the Internet, after all lol... bad form. And once the accusations are leveled at the administrations, they would be in a heck of a hard spot, and will have to do something in this regard, if only token, in the near future. But a crack in the wall could be significant, and may be all we need to break it down

"Denying" isn't working anymore (it's risky when the positions are so weak, because their own "troops" are of above average intelligence), they are instead using "ignoring" (silence) as their main strategy now. But that doesn't work when it is thrown in their face. Just like the silence of suppression in the mainstream news media: It is extremely dangerous for them to do it, because it is so easy to prove; by definition they cannot hide the act once it comes out. So they and the universities are in a more precarious situation every day, and it must be making some involved in it very nervous, if they have a conscience or even self-preservation instincts that suspect they might end up on the wrong side once it does come out... Perhaps nervous enough to "defect".

Every day the ecology gets worse, every day the wars for oil continue, this must weigh heavily on some of these peoples' minds....

After all, if there is a sea-change and suppression is outed and gets attention, there will be many job openings from all the fired dept. heads who went along with it and were left holding the bag... It could be a very wise and profitable career move to jump ship and go public before this happens.

So maybe it is time to pressure acedemia....?

[ashtweth]

Here Here

We are doing demos to "target" them. Main thing is when you get validation from a third party accredited faculty, you can build consumer awareness and demand of OU systems, it makes it impossible to suppress.
You cant stop public demand.

We are taking in our Bedini, and when ready RAVI/Bob Boyce for this. More is on the panacea site. Great writing there too Steve do you mind if i use it in parts on the Panacea site Bro?

Ash

[Peter Lindemann]

No Copies Left!!

Hi Peter,

I did a Google search for "Tesla's vocabulary for dummies".

I know there's at least one copy on the planet. ;-)

Duane

Sorry Duane,

There never were any copies of Tesla's Vocabulary for Dummies available. It was a goofy prop I whipped up in my Photo Shop to get people's attention during my lecture Tesla's Radiant Energy. Unfortunately, the joke was too subtle and thousands of folks thought the book was real.

Right now, it has become one of the most popular books that never existed!

Maybe I can get into the Guinness Book of World Records for creating that!

Peter

[rickoff]

Re: Non-existant book

Gosh, Peter, why don't you go ahead with actually writing and publishing the book in a web-downloadable format - you would probably make a killing on it with all the demand for such a text! It would probably be just the thing to finance some more R&D projects.

Rickoff

[Tehnoman]

One thing that interests me on this subject is, how the heck are so many university science dept's kept from studying these technologies... It would seem there is a very coordinated effort somewhere to insure they do not.
[..]
So maybe it is time to pressure acedemia....?

I doesn't know why exactly universities don't teach about this and are not researching it, but one thought I have - there is very little or no science background to free-energy, it has to be built over traditional science, that could be or couldn't be done, or it has to bo created from zero. At both cases it is not easy, at least at my university professors seems to feel more comfortable in teaching old and "proven" stuff. Yet recently were opened innovation center, so maybe there will be possibility to do some work in researching this field.

Well, about pressure... Just after summer holidays I (as long with other my year physics students) will have course about electricity (with laboratory) and EM, so I have planned to build some interesting device or devices, that violates classical way of view, show it to professors and other students and ask to them - wtf (sorry for expression) is this, how we can explain it? And if we can't, why in the name of Einstein we are not researching this phenomena? I think if some simple experiments would be done and results thrown it to united EU (European Union) university society, then there will be consequences.

[jibbguy]

various

@Peter: LOL !!

@Ash ; Sure m8 Panacea-BOCAF has permission to use anything i hack out on free energy / hydroxy .

@Tehnoman: Just don't get flunked over it, its not worth it!.. Maybe tell your Prof what you are thinking about doing first and watch carefully for his/her reactions.... Many of them "honestly" think free energy is all bunk, and others that don't, may get angry with you for inadvertently pointing out their own failings.

Once you get the diploma, then you can thumb your nose at them all. But you are in their court now; and you don't want to be that proverbial sticking-up nail that gets hammered down


- Jib

[Tehnoman]

Of course, I want to make discussion about that with our professors. And yes, will be watching reaction of them and If something will go wrong, will back off. Yet, I'm one of the best students of my year, so I hope that I'll be able to do some good.

I guess I said things little bit too sharp in my previous post.

[amigo]

Thanks a lot Peter, now you tell us...

After reading about that book somewhere I remember I scoured the Interweb and online bookstores, eBay, even phoned the publisher of the For Dummies series asking about that book, and they have never heard of it, obviously

[deggers]

Sorry Duane,

There never were any copies of Tesla's Vocabulary for Dummies available. It was a goofy prop I whipped up in my Photo Shop to get people's attention during my lecture Tesla's Radiant Energy. Unfortunately, the joke was too subtle and thousands of folks thought the book was real.

Right now, it has become one of the most popular books that never existed!

Maybe I can get into the Guinness Book of World Records for creating that!

Peter

Hi Peter,

Damn. Had me hook, line, and sinker.. lol

Seriously, I really need a book like that!!

Duane

[EXCELERATOR]

Green Energy Technology Suppression

I can't believe I missed this great thread for so long - sorry.

I have been following Technology Suppression for almost five years now and am a big fan/supporter of Project Orion and collected a petition with 300,000 signatures last year that we sent to the National Science Foundation and President Obama (all that work for a "Thank You letter and no follow-up).

I attached some info here that may be of interest to you. My direct interest was in three big cases of Stan Meyers (watercar) Rory Johnson (Magnetic motor) and Dimitri Petronov (Thorium plasma battery)

Aside from the games played at the U.S. Patent office, another way big brother prevents technology disclosure is through ITAR - a suppression tool in the hands of the Department of Commerce and Department of State, used on average 600 times per year. Any invention that can possibly have a military application is subject to review and export ban or outright censorship. You already know about what happened to Tom Valone at the USPTO, but check out what happened to "Danny". Because of 911 Americans were fed so much fear they have all become obedient sheep and swallowed the Patriot Act dry without questions. See the attachments. Anyway here are some cool links I found that you might be interested in-

Censorship - The Only Reason We Are Still Addicted To Oil! - Green Energy Reports - Open Salon

Plasma Battery Inventors Disappearing Regularly *|* Peak Oil News and Message Boards

Now if I was to play the devli's advocate, I would throw this link into the mix about the bird flu... Should the new flu stay secret? Or does secrecy kill? | The Loom | Discover Magazine

As to how they keep University researchers quiet is with grant money. They bait them with promises of huge grants for pet projects and the make them sign off on non-disclosure agreements with huge fine and forfeiture penalties. What professor wants to be responsible for getting their employer fined?!? I am a big fan of Thorium nuclear power and even though MIT, Harvard, Princeton, and Stanford have all been pushing "the establishment" hard to switch from Thorium to Uranium, they are getting the same "Pons & Fleischman" treatment. MIT Professor Gene Mallove fought back and looked what happened to him and another plasma battery inventor Aries DeGeus - murdered.

Thorium Plasma Battery Technology - Wrongly Top Secret? - Green Energy Reports - Open Salon

Anyway, now that we all know the problem, how do we spread the word to every American with a brain and a spine? Nothing is likely to change unless it becomes a public issue - and this IS an election year yes?


P.S. Peter you had me going with the Tesla book - so much so that I sent an email to Amazon.com with an inquiry for an "out of print copy"!