Earth Battery SG

[jeanna]

@lidmotor

-----------------bobbin motor --------------

Oh I am so glad i asked.
I missed a whole week of bobbin motors from you.
I love that motor.
AND... I have been wanting to make a charger without a transistor and I see you have done that too!
Well done
thank you.

@all,
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I have had a hard time getting the voltage high enough today.
In a way, I am glad I did this the way I did.
Here is how I did this today:

I made up some new standardized planters and waited for the volts to get high enough and it was my plan to add the plants later.
I had to give up and just add the plants, because nothing was happening.

The first one which is similar to the 2 I made in the last 10 days, but in a much bigger container, took 3 hours just to get a spot of light and even after 5 more hours, I could still look right at the led. (I really don't like to do that)

This had only one leaf with a root which filled the tiny pot but in this planter the leaf was very alone in the middle, so I added some more plant. Very soon after, the light got brighter, and is continuing.

The next test is a mag block and copper pipe like lidmotor's.
It sat at 1.2 volts and 1.8mA for an hour.
I am starting to wonder if the block really is magnesium.
Anyway, I just gave up waiting and put the plant into the soil on this one.
The mA jumped up to 2.2mA.
But, when I move it even the slightest bit, the volts go down to 0.8v.

I will make a jtc for this tomorrow, and I will include a memory cap across the leads.
It really does the trick... but there is a minimum which seems to be 2.4mA at 1.4v


I was half kidding before, when I called it a plant battery, but maybe it really needs the plant to make it go.

And the other plans I have are to plant some seeds.
I wonder if I can get the jtc to turn on before the seeds sprout.

I thought I was testing the effects of the jtc on the plant.
It appears it might be the other way around.
It might be the effects of living plants on the jtc!

Either way

jeanna

[jeanna]

In your opinion, what is the main difference between the
EM - effective microorganisms and the mychorrhizal?

Did you order the EM from Japan?

Hi Aaron,
It is the same stuff used and studied in Japan.
There is a woman around here that gives little workshops on how to use it and sells it too.
I have some bokashi I made 3 years ago from the workshop, but I am just using the activated liquid.
I didn't get the mychorrhizal yet.

thank you,

jeanna

[jeanna]

reed switch video part 2

Hi everybody,
Here is the next episode in the reed switch video series.

The reason it is here is that for me it is on the way to my stubblefield generator.

Did you all see lasersaber's success with that today?
I do believe he is the first to replicate it in the last 100 years.
Waydago lasersaber!

lasersaber's great success


My magnesium firestarter is NOT giving me anything at all, but the newest plant battery #4 is doing fine. It is a weighed version of the last one.

BTW, It is amazing to see how much healthier the battery leaves are next to the ones that have not been treated to pulses. I bought them at the same time, but these pulses are clearly helpful, or maybe it is the magnesium?? well whatever it is, it works for the plant.

jeanna

[Lidmotor]

MFCs-----Microbial fuel cells

@All
John (DadHav) sent me a link to a device that I had not heard of called a "microbial fuel cell". I did some research this morning and found out that this device is very similar to the 'Plant Battery' that we are working with. There is alot of research being done on it. Basically it uses an ion exchange between an anode and a cathode that the microbes set up through a membrane (it CAN be soil). This has given me great hope that we are not just building a green leafy galvanic battery.
Here is a link to one design that is already being tried out in Africa:

Dirt-Powered Batteries Bring Electricity To Those Without | Sincerely Sustainable.

My plant battery 'Phyllis' is doing great and growing fast. She still produces about 1.2 volts after two weeks on the job day and night. Her amperage is small but I really like the fact that she works all the time. I will probably pull the metal electrodes out in a week or so and see what happened to them. The best part about this experiment is that I didn't kill that plant. She is nice to look at and is a great listener.

Lidmotor

[jeanna]

I finally got my magnesium block to work!!

It took making a jtc with
a memory cap at the leads,
1k at the base, and a
14 turns secondary, (which produces 50v when used with a 1.2v AAA), and a
RED led on the 14 turns secondary wire.

I realized the other day that the joule thief with a secondary wire is the perfect kind of jtc for this.
(I started this project with a normal jtc that had a germanium transistor.)
Not only is it more flexible because you can regulate the volts output by changing the number of turns, but the ultimate VnA requirement is much less, so it only needs to be able to start the transistor. period.
After that it does not "suck the joules" from the earth battery, if you will.

So, a good jtc with secondary is all that is needed.

Now, this one flashes a tiny red light about 1-2x per second.
This is very encouraging.
Maybe now, the self currents from the plant's ionic movements will help it to grow to a steady red light... hopefully?

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@lidmotor to dadhav,
That link to the research being done at Harvard making almost this very thing is very interesting and funny about the timing.

EXCEPT
They are putting salt into the battery unit.
that will hurt the earth, while this will not.
I hope some of the Harvard researchers can see this and try it, since it is in the direction of permaculture not soil death.

Thank you for posting that link.
Maybe someone here knows one of the Harvard researchers and can get them to try dolomite and a plant instead of salt and dirt.

jeanna

[Lidmotor]

Inverter circuit for the Plant Battery

@ Jeanna & All
I made a simple two transistor inverter circuit for the plant battery that seems to run LEDs better than a Joule Thief circuit. Jeanna this is kinda along the same lines as what you are doing----uping the voltage.
I found that I can add a small solar panel in low light also and help with the power. The two work well together.

YouTube - Plant Battery inverter circuit.ASF

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[jeanna]

error message

Hi lidmotor.
I love your video
I posted a comment about the capacitor but got an error message 3 times. I will try again in an hour.

When we first met ( ) you said you saw my joule thief as the same thing as an inverted joule thief that all the guys here were working with.
Is this what you were talking about?

I agree, this is the very interesting thing here.
If we up the voltage then the high voltage high frequency properties of the led can be used.
Then a very low V and A can make an output for the led to enhance the growth of the plant, which just might enhance the currents in the soil etc...

(It is a little like bringing the outside world into the kitchen.
Maybe we can grow a lush green garden in the dark basement.)

Nice experiments!

jeanna

[Lidmotor]

Ah the ole' Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief project

Hi lidmotor.
I love your video
I posted a comment about the capacitor but got an error message 3 times. I will try again in an hour.

When we first met ( ) you said you saw my joule thief as the same thing as an inverted joule thief that all the guys here were working with.
Is this what you were talking about?

I agree, this is the very interesting thing here.
If we up the voltage then the high voltage high frequency properties of the led can be used.
Then a very low V and A can make an output for the led to enhance the growth of the plant, which just might enhance the currents in the soil etc...

(It is a little like bringing the outside world into the kitchen.
Maybe we can grow a lush green garden in the dark basement.)

Nice experiments!

jeanna

Well we called that thing a "Pusled inverted joule thief" but I don't know what it really was that we ended up with. Whatever it was it worked and ended up being used on my boat. A whole bunch of us worked on it. We learned lots. Basically it was a JT with a cap here and there and the whole thing pulsed by a 555 timer circuit.
What is in this video is more of a traditional inverter like you would find in a disposable camera.
I think that my plant LIKES what is happening in the soil. I may have to repot her if she gets too big. I'm wondering if we should try this setup on an outside plant that is in the ground.

Lidmotor

[jeanna]

What is in this video is more of a traditional inverter like you would find in a disposable camera.

Oh I see.
Yes, it is what I have been doing but different.

I think that my plant LIKES what is happening in the soil. I may have to repot her if she gets too big. I'm wondering if we should try this setup on an outside plant that is in the ground.

Lidmotor

Right.

It is easier to experiment within the limits of one planter inside the house, but do put one outside. It will be a great experiment.
This sure impresses me.
(It could change agriculture in our "new -abundant -self defined and- visioned" age.)
Mine are the same.
I added some other plants to other pots, plants which I bought the same day as the one I was using, and the day I moved them, the difference in healthy appearance was nothing short of amazing. And quick. As soon as the circuit goes in, the plant looks better.
I thought my plants looked fine when I bought them, but the untreated one looks drab.
I am keeping one half of one plant as a control.

I will be away for a few days and report when I get back,
(In fact, I will be adding a plant battery to a place in the woods near my camper, so I will report about that)

jeanna

[Aaron]

comparison of leaves

these pulses are clearly helpful, or maybe it is the magnesium??

I think both.

Are you setup to do an inspection of the treated leaf and one that isn't
treated? If you can see if the density of the pours on the leaf that is
treated are more in number per square mm/cm/etc... than the untreated one, that
would show some something beyond just just regular growth.

[Schpankme]

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What is in this video is more of a traditional inverter like you would find in a disposable camera.
I think that my plant LIKES what is happening in the soil. I may have to repot her if she gets too big. I'm wondering if we should try this setup on an outside plant that is in the ground.

Lidmotor,

I've updated your circuit and it produces about 220V out. The next objective would be to run a spark-gap (MHz) after the source and increase capacitance/inductance.

Schpankme

“Don't plant more garden than your wife can care for.” -- Proverbs

[Lidmotor]

Circuits

Lidmotor,

I've updated your circuit and it produces about 220V out. The next objective would be to run a spark-gap (MHz) after the source and increase capacitance/inductance.

Schpankme

“Don't plant more garden than your wife can care for.” -- Proverbs

I built your rendition of the circuit and it works about the same as the one in my video. I was very surprised that the same basic components could be wired up in two different ways to produce similar results. It is fun to play around with the different values and watch the performance changes. What I have been working towards is a LED blinker circuit that is just fast enough to appear constantly on. About a 60Hz is all you need. By doing that you can use the plant battery energy better. There really isn't much power there but I really like that it runs non-stop for weeks on end. The plant really doesn't seem to mind. If I can keep the plant alive then replacing the metal pieces once in awhile isn't going to be a problem. Consider it doing gardening work. Maybe get the wife to do it like you said.

Lidmotor

[kazm]

Yet another use for the fuji camera circuit

YouTube - Plant Battery lighting a Neon using a Fuji camera circuit

[jeanna]

Great work Kazm!

I never realized the fuji ckt could be so small, and I love how you showed it so clearly.
And... I really love how the plant battery can light a neon!

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@all,
I have been away for 3 nights and when I returned all the lights were still on and the 'phyllis light' was flashing faster than when I left...Isn't that curious?
When I left it was up to 3-4 per second and it was close to 10 per second when I returned, but it is hard to count.
Maybe in a few weeks it will look steady.

@lidmotor, I added a thin (24awg) copper wire that is about 10 inches long to the clip that is holding the copper pipe and it started to work right away. I did not need to change the mag block for the light to go on faster.
(I found this out because I was fiddling with the resistor and the light went out and seemed to not want to go on again. I re-placed the clip then tried this wire addition.)

@all,
I made a plant battery in the ground near my camper and it never turned on for 3 1/2 days. Not even a blink, and I tried a few different jtc's. (but none with a red led)

the differences:
I forgot to bring any dolomite, so, no dolomite.
I also lined the wires up differently, but historically the right way. I lined them up N-S with the S side being magnesium and the N being copper.

In my planters at home, I am having a better (ie faster and stronger) light reaction with the ones whose wires loop around the roots of the plant.
So, the one that has the wires parallel to each other on either side of the plant, took the longest to light and lit the weakest.

Perhaps the coiled shape makes it better?
I am also wondering if the wires will do better if they are close to each other along their entire lengths. This is how they are in the coils that worked well.

But, I personally think the plant is pumping the ions along with the water and this is influencing the outcome. And, in the woods, the plant is the forest all around, but not immediately close, and maybe no pumping is happening through the soil around the wires. This is easy to test.

Also, the red lights look really good even if they are not as bright.

jeanna

[morpher44]

You are dirt to me!

I was watching some of the Eric Dollard vids on the other thread
and had an interesting earth-battery idea.

It was stated that cosmic radiation responds different ways to different
soils. There was some scientist who did a lot of research along these lines.
I think SAND was found to absorb cosmic radiation nicely ..
and those living above sand suffered less cancers than those
living above clay soils. Clay, is reflective of cosmic radiation.

So ... one idea would be to make various earth batteries with
various soils ... and to try to see if certain soils have advantages over
others.

Another thing about cosmic radiation is that matter with a high atomic
number, high density, like lead, is a shield against it.
The mass per area is most important ... and lead provides a nice
mass to area ratio. Aluminum foils works too ... just a little worse
than lead.
So idea #2...

A large plate capacitor (foil), raised in the air and subject to cosmic
radiation could be the receiver of radiant "impulse" waves.
The other side of the circuit could be a ground that is protected ...
shielded, from the cosmic rays.
So cover a large area of the ground with lead ... or with a large
metalic plate, and do a ground connection UNDER this shield.

A potential difference may appear with IMPULSEs on the one side,
and NO IMPULSES on the other ... and therefore current can flow.

Cosmic energy from dirt?