Earth Battery SG

[FrozenWaterLab]

Addition of Mg Ribbon

I noticed the Mg Ribbon I have and garbed couple rolls and the shovel.

Hooked Pos to the 8' Copper Grounding rod
Hooked Neg to Mg 12"x1' rod 5' away = 1.3V - .36mA down to .33mA

Buried Mg Ribbon aprox. 3" deep in south direction

10' mG ribbon alone = 1.65V - .74mA DT .72mA
Ribbon & Rod = 1.6V - .72mA DT .7mA

25' of Rib = 1.69V - ? DT .85mA
Rod & Rib = 1.66V - ? DT .8mA

40' of Rib = 1.69V - .82mA DT .77mA
Rod & Rib = 1.64V - .88mA DT .76mA
Seamed to go down which didn't make me happy

At this point I thought to add everything in the area - So
40' Ribbon & 5'distant Mg Rod & 4Mg Rods 1'distant in star = ALL

To both copper Grnd rod & Carbon star as Positive = 1.6V - ? DT 1.56mA

To the A-hole star Carbons = 1.58V - ? DT 1.62mA (Better then W/Grnd Rod)
more mA so decided to just use Carbon Star for Positive

65' to Carbon star - Neg-ALL = 1.636V - 1.96mA DT 1.7mA
65' to Carbon star Neg-Rib only = Not on notes

80' to Carbon star Neg-ALL = 1.65V - 1.89mA DT 1.68mA
80' to Carbon star Neg-Rib only = 1.774V - 1.71mA DT 1.5mA

94' to Carbon star Neg-ALL = 1.54V - 1.96mA DT 1.65mA
94' to Carbon star Neg-Rib only = 1.7V - 1,6mA DT 1.44mA

Added Mg 1'x1" Rod at end of ribbon
94' to Carbon star Neg-ALL = 1.58V - 2.2mA DT 1.7mA
94' to Carbon star Neg-Rib only = 1.72mA DT 1.45mA

Volt's less but Amp's at load better with all Neg elements I can use.
Need to add Ground Rod and try (Tomorrow)

Also want to add some ribbon off in an E-W direction
and a spiral ring around a tree in the roots
Just to see what can be picked up

Then theirs the poss wire to run
I've got no more North direction (Less I sneak over the fence just for a test run then remove it) its a vacant lot and I know who owns it so it'll be OK

But I will be running to the East with a 12 gage wire and an 18 gage in the same hole about 2" apart 3" deep maybe

Might need to do test with deeper wire but boy that would be some work
(If I ever get a new motor for that trencher I have - It will dig a 2' deep trench)
FrznWtr

[Bodkins]

earth battery

I don`t now where to put this so its here....
Pulsing earth cell is the key for charging them battery`s folks

YouTube - A Lidmotor and earth battery combo

take care Bodkins x

[FrozenWaterLab]

Vibreedo Coil

This Might be of intrest

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eedo-coil.html

FrznWtr

PS Renaissance November Workshop Convention was Great
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...onvention.html

[FrozenWaterLab]

I don`t now where to put this so its here....
Pulsing earth cell is the key for charging them battery`s folks

YouTube - A Lidmotor and earth battery combo

take care Bodkins x

Looks interesting Bodkins.
Look forward to more about it. Wanna see it working. Go man Go.
FrznWtr

[Lidmotor]

Zero power switching device

I don`t now where to put this so its here....
Pulsing earth cell is the key for charging them battery`s folks

YouTube - A Lidmotor and earth battery combo

take care Bodkins x

Hey how you can you read my mind from way over on the other side of the planet?
I was wondering what to do with that "thing" and it occurred to me (and you) that maybe I could place a reed switch next to it and use it to turn something on and off. I tried the idea with the "Solar Powered Lucky Cat" device and I used it to switch my Nathan Stubblefied coil.

How does that saying go? --"Like minds think alike"

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[Bodkins]

Hey how you can you read my mind from way over on the other side of the planet?
I was wondering what to do with that "thing" and it occurred to me (and you) that maybe I could place a reed switch next to it and use it to turn something on and off. I tried the idea with the "Solar Powered Lucky Cat" device and I used it to switch my Nathan Stubblefied coil.

How does that saying go? --"Like minds think alike"

Cheers,

Lidmotor

sorry for delay answering lid snowed in here and not on the net. soon as I get the bit together I will be on you heels, the web site you told me about has pancake coil, think this will work?

bod

[Lidmotor]

pancake coil

sorry for delay answering lid snowed in here and not on the net. soon as I get the bit together I will be on you heels, the web site you told me about has pancake coil, think this will work?

bod

The pancake coil from Solarbotics isn't a true pancake coil. It is just a fairly flat air core coil with lots and lots of fine wire on it. I made a neat little Slayer exciter with it but haven't used it for anything else yet. I am still working on low power (indoor lighting using solar cell) circuits. I still have not got what I am looking for. The little "pancake" coil will work I'm sure, but without the right circuit I'm kinda stuck. Every morning I wake up and see that "Lucky Cat" thing running away and ask myself why can't I replicate that. The fact that it self-starts and will run on ambient room lighting really has me hooked.

Lidmotor

[Bodkins]

The pancake coil from Solarbotics isn't a true pancake coil. It is just a fairly flat air core coil with lots and lots of fine wire on it. I made a neat little Slayer exciter with it but haven't used it for anything else yet. I am still working on low power (indoor lighting using solar cell) circuits. I still have not got what I am looking for. The little "pancake" coil will work I'm sure, but without the right circuit I'm kinda stuck. Every morning I wake up and see that "Lucky Cat" thing running away and ask myself why can't I replicate that. The fact that it self-starts and will run on ambient room lighting really has me hooked.

Lidmotor

A Golden Waving Lucky Cat 5", Fortune Cat - Feng Shui on eBay (end time 22-Dec-10 20:55:00 GMT)

is it this one lid?

[Lidmotor]

Waving Lucky Cat

A Golden Waving Lucky Cat 5", Fortune Cat - Feng Shui on eBay (end time 22-Dec-10 20:55:00 GMT)

is it this one lid?

Yes but that one has a AA battery powered driver circuit that you have to start by waving the cats arm. It was the first one that I bought and made into a pulse motor. The driver draws only about 500 micro amps and will run for a very very long time on a AA. That circuit uses a simple circuit that I did finally replicate yesterday. It uses one PNP transistor, two caps, one resistor, and a bifilar coil. You could make that into a switching device and it will work quite well for months probably on a AA.

This is the solar powered version of the Waving Lucky Cat that I am really interested in because it self starts as soon as there is enough light in the house:

Solar Powered Waving Lucky Cat - eBay (item 120652321671 end time Dec-26-10 01:57:16 PST)

The circuit in that Lucky Cat is completely different and uses many more parts. I have not been able to replicate that circuit.

Here is the funny Youtube video of a AA battery Lucky Cat being dismembered by M3asca1 and made into a pulse motor. It was this video that got me stared and on my latest quest.

YouTube - Not so Lucky Money Cat

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[kapierenundkopieren]

Hi all! Today i was experimenting with small earth batteries and with a copper zinc configuration i could light up a LED with a jule thief for a minute or two, then it would die out.
I'm interested in building some earth batteries that would power up a bright LED for outdoor lighting. I was wondering how big should a copper zinc battery be for that application and how long does it last. I heard a guy on youtube that said a copper zinc battery does last only a week, is this true? Are there any alternative materials that would perform better and last at least some years? If the answer would be yes, i'm also interested in building an array of bigger earth batteries that would give me around 25A at 12V - any suggestions on this one?
Hope anyone can answer my questions, THX in advance!

Dann

[Farmhand]

Hi all, FrozenWaterLab, you have obviously done a lot of important testing in the area of earth batteries and produced an impressive volume of data. I was wondering if you or someone else could give me some pointers.

I am wanting to build a large earth battery to power a SSG to begin this project- http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nventions.html

I have a tractor with post hole digging equipment and 4 way bucket and so on, I want to build one big enough with enough series and parallel connected cells to provide at least 12.5 volts at 400Ma or a bit more. But I want it to be very long lasting and maintainable.

My questions are,

1. Is it possible to do this with a reasonable budget say $1000.00?
2. Could you please provide me a short list of what you think is the most effective materials and method, the most practical metarials and method and the cheapest materials and method.

No need to be too specific I just want a good idea of how I should first experiment and what with, in small scale at first as an indication of the results I can expect here, you guys have done a lot of good research and testing. I would like to take advantage of that.

Thanks and regards

[FRC]

This is not a large 12 volt earth battery,but this might be of interest Farmhand.

YouTube - 12V Earth battery

FRC

[Iotayodi]

i was experimenting with small earth batteries and with a copper zinc configuration i could light up a LED with a jule thief for a minute or two, then it would die out.

YouTube - 400 LEDs Lit From Earth Battery & Joule Thief Circuit

[Farmhand]

FRC and Iotayodi, Thanks for your pointers, much appreciated. I must say though i'm not overly impressed by the tips provided by the main contributers to this thread. Zero is a very small number of tips.

Iotayodi 400 led's that is impressive, was it only a small earth battery ? And a joule thief. 400 is a lot.

I think i will just have to do my own research and experimenting. From a quick glance it appears that no long term usable Earth batteries were created.

I wonder if there is any point to using quickly consumed materials, to me this would be a galvanic reaction rather than a true earth battery. I want to use the Earths currents not just create a galvanic reaction under the ground.

I intend to go big. I will have to study some old earth battery methods I guess since there doesn't appear to be any major advancements recently as far as longevity and practicality.

Is a galvanic battery in the ground really an earth battery, I thought a true earth battery was a more long term arrangement and big. Some thing that can be diconnected and left for a period then reconnected and hey presto current. I dont want to build an earth battery that consumes it's materials and needs to be dug up regularly. That wouldn't be very usefull. I would need to get months or at least weeks of usefull power from it preferably even years.

Any pointers to research material much appreciated.

Cheers

[kcarring]

I think i will just have to do my own research and experimenting. From a quick glance it appears that no long term usable Earth batteries were created.

I wonder if there is any point to using quickly consumed materials, to me this would be a galvanic reaction rather than a true earth battery. I want to use the Earths currents not just create a galvanic reaction under the ground.

Nice to see someone quite interested. I'm going to step out on a limb here and hope that someone who has experimented more (lasresabre perhaps!) will shut me down and set me straight.

I think (not know) there is a distinguishable factor: Earth vs. homemade batteries laying in the ground. I've been playing around with home-made batteries and have tried 4 different types. The more I build, the more I research and see what everyone else is doing. The project that I am really really curious about is Lasrresabres because he really extended a great deal of length of wire out, I believe it was over 1000 ft. I only follow his posts here, so perhaps I've missed a whole lot. The confusion in my mind, is that, when I build a homemade battery, I get alright results and horrible density, basically. In lightsabres example, I am very curious whether he was able to link several cells, or not. He moved on to air batteries, and I have always thought they were primary batteries (in which case I'm not too interested, I can buy those -still-), however maybe he's on to something that doesn't degrade.

Now, someone go ahead and set me straight if I'm wrong, but...

It seems to me a Stubblefield coil is a primary battery, put into the ground wherein it does a bit better due to the moisture, but that's about it. I can see why they used it a century ago, but I fail to see how it can be a "performer".

I see no reason why it wouldn't rust to pieces and malfunction over a period of time.

I also fail to see how the actual earth plays a part. Dissimilar metals in an electrolytic environment will give potential. Glass of water, bucket of dirt, jar of NaOH, or buried in the ground - I see it as all the same. Maybe I am wrong here.

For that reason, I intend on making a stubblefield coil from nickel wire, iron wire and polymer 3m shoprags instead of cotton. Maybe SS wire.

And compare that to pipe strapping laid longitudinally, buried.

I am waiting on my nickel wire right now.

If Earth Batteries can run (indefinitely) and can be made with materials design to last about 5-10 yrs, AND they can be joined in series, I think there's potential to use them to pulse with.

My focus with be:

Stainless Steel / CuZn rod
Ni / SS
Ni / Fe
Cu / Ni

Mainly because, their ability to last. Anticorrosive properties. With that, you give up some performance, but disposable is not what I am after.

I've had excellent results with aluminum copper bleach. Great batteries, but they are primary. As far as I see it, the Magnesium Air, would be the same... again maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks