Earth Battery SG

[Pirate88179]

Doc:

Thanks, I will take you up on that. Yes, I remember the earth battery topic over there. We did so well for a while but then, some folks got downright mean for some reason.

I learned a long time ago not to argue or even debate with someone that is more qualified, and has more knowledge of a subject than I do. You can't learn anything that way.

I had some guy on youtube post a message that I would never get enough power from the earth battery to light even 1 led. Now, I know this is wrong because I can do that easily without the jt or supercaps. but, I saw no point in arguing with him.

Do you think I can power an sec from the EB? I have seen some of your earlier tests, and also Lidmotor's tests and I believe the mA draw was very, very low.

My 650 Farad supercap should be here soon. I was not aware of the curve of the supercap for discharging. I will have to look up the specs when I get it.

Thanks again for your offer of help. I really appreciate it.

Bill

[DrStiffler]

Doc:

Thanks, I will take you up on that. Yes, I remember the earth battery topic over there. We did so well for a while but then, some folks got downright mean for some reason.

I learned a long time ago not to argue or even debate with someone that is more qualified, and has more knowledge of a subject than I do. You can't learn anything that way.

I had some guy on youtube post a message that I would never get enough power from the earth battery to light even 1 led. Now, I know this is wrong because I can do that easily without the jt or supercaps. but, I saw no point in arguing with him.

Do you think I can power an sec from the EB? I have seen some of your earlier tests, and also Lidmotor's tests and I believe the mA draw was very, very low.

My 650 Farad supercap should be here soon. I was not aware of the curve of the supercap for discharging. I will have to look up the specs when I get it.

Thanks again for your offer of help. I really appreciate it.

Bill

@Bill

We have to talk in terms of V*I or volts time current and it results in Joules as we do not include the t or time factor to give use power.

A question on if the EB would run an Exciter can be answered this way; Say you have a good well tuned Exciter and it requires 12volts at 20mA, so we get 12 * 0.02 = 240J or if you like 240mW/s.

Now say your EB can provide ?V @ 100mA, let me take license here and say you get 2V @ 100mA, so 2 * 0.1 = 200J or 200mW/s, now if this were possible we have another problem, the BE (Base Emitter) junction of the transistor requires ~0.6v to conduct in the forward direction. We have a diode in series with the collector coil that has a forward breakdown of ~0.6-0.7 volts and the base bias resistor is in series with this diode. So now we have a loss of ~0.6+0.6 = 1.2v and if we subtract that from 2v from the EB we get 2 - 1.2 = 0.8 and current of 100mA. No way will it run the Exciter, even though we are in our guessing game only 40J from what would be required if you look only at this. Its important to understand that the (potential) voltage must be considered along with the current, unless you get involved with things like DC to DC conversion etc.

You can have 100A @ 0.001V and it will not make a hill of beans as it would be very difficult to convert this to do something. Like your LED's, without the pulses produced by a JT or the Fuji Xenon charger, how many LED's in series can an EB light? For a Red LED with a forward voltage as low as say 1.7V maybe a couple and if you wire sets in parallel with balance resistors and get a ton of current you could light a good number.

But, has the EB work got to the point yet where it is insulated from the ground, or is it still a electrolytic type process of differing metals in acidic or alkaline damp soil?

What I may be able to help on is a totally isolated cell, no battery action.

[Pirate88179]

Doc:

Believe it or not, the EB gives the highest readings in totally dry soil, like we see here in KY in the middle of summer. I noticed this back in the beginning. Others have reported the same thing from other areas with different soil conditions. I went back to the electrode EB that I started with for this series of experiments as opposed to the Stubblefield bifilar coils.

The reason I believe I can probably run a SEC is that (I don't know how to calculate the energy) if I charge a 650 F supercap (2.7 volt) with 2 volts and then just let the amps fill up, my understanding is that will give me a lot of power to use.

I am not explaining this correctly. To me, it is like a solar charging system in that, during the day, the sun via a solar panel, charges up a battery or batteries that can be used in the evening to run things that the solar panel would never run by itself. Does this make sense? This is the way I am looking at this for now with the electrode set-up. I don't have enough room here to try multiple electrodes in series as I live in a small apt. with not much garden space to work with.

Yesterday, a good friend of mine from Australia helped me over the phone to get a good scope shot of one of my joule thief toroids. I am now going to try to obtain a scope shot or 2 of the EB. (If I can) Thanks for your information.

Bill

[Inquorate]

EB v solar

if one were to run lidmotor's joule thief system of running off one set of bats / caps to a load, then to JT circuit (or JT then load) to charge seperate set of bats / caps, then swapping the bats / caps over...

then the constant supply of electricity from the EB would be more efficient? or at the very least more affordable than solar electricity.

i'm thinking say re camping: solar and earth battery running LED's and a radio probably quite easily. ad infinitum.

what's happened to lidmotor anyway?

love and light

[Pirate88179]

if one were to run lidmotor's joule thief system of running off one set of bats / caps to a load, then to JT circuit (or JT then load) to charge seperate set of bats / caps, then swapping the bats / caps over...

then the constant supply of electricity from the EB would be more efficient? or at the very least more affordable than solar electricity.

i'm thinking say re camping: solar and earth battery running LED's and a radio probably quite easily. ad infinitum.

what's happened to lidmotor anyway?

love and light

Yes, this is what I have been trying to say to folks. Yes there is only 2 volts out of my EB at this time. Yes, the mA's are low, but (12 mA's) they are there. So, I have been looking at many different ways to use this. Supercaps are a great way as is the addition of the JT circuit, and maybe the SEC. Are there any other ways? I am sure there are. My belief is that the more folks we have playing with this, the more all of us will learn.

If/when I get another house with a little land, I want to try everything. Solar, EB's, wind, and anything else I can think of. All of this can be fed to supercap banks or batteries or both. Once full, then one could run a lot of things. This is what I hope to do.

Bill

[Inquorate]

dribs and drabs

hi guys, i'm just passing the last 15 mins at work by browsing the panacea website, and by a process i don't remember, came to this google video of a guy getting volts from a pyramid: no moving parts.

while we're chasing mV, i thought this would be a worthy inclusion..

Flavio Thomas - Pyramid energy power shown powering a 12V
Flavio Thomas - Pyramid energy power shown powering a 12V electric fan

love and light

[Joit]

I mentioned his Pyramid at Dr. Stifflers thread too, but his name is Thomas Trawöger.
Here is another Link to rexresearch.
->Google Translated Page
Another Page with a simple Circuit -> Pyramid Power

I did a quick rebuild with 1mm Copperwire for the Frame, same for the inner Frame, and some 0,5mm Wire for the inner Coils, but it did not work.

I read about him more, and he said, this Circuit is quit wrong, what they post.
So it must be simialar to this one, what is shown there.
Farther he said, the measurements of the Pyramid itself are not critical, he didnt see changes, if it has an other Angel of the Frame.
This Capacitors look very own too, they must have only few pF.
His Frame is made from Band Iron and inside are Coppertubes.
Could be, it makes a galvanic Effect for inital Current, because it looks like, he take Minus from the outer Frame.

There is another Video from an older Man, what did a rebuild with Copper Tubes as outer Frame, but you dont see the whole Room too, and what he did beside.
But at last, he removed the adjustable Cap frontside ( he had no other) and then it start giving Energy, about 0,5V

Thomas Trawögers Page is down since 2006, he got masssive Hackerattacks at his Page, he said, he got now financial Support from an Company,
because he run out of Money,but since them, you dont find any Info about it anymore.
He even has build a Version12 now, this one is the Version 3,
but it was only a short time up, to dload Plans for this.

But its easier, to plug 2 Tubes into Earth to get a Earthbatterie
btw, why dont try to make some more Tubes in Serie or in parallel.

[sigzidfit]

See Also:

Peter GRANDICS: Pyramid convertor of electrostatic to DC electric power

Peace
PJ

[Bodkins]

And finaly

watch all six for the secret of magnetic current out of the carbon static potenial with Sacred geometry

Sacred geometry is geometry used in the design of sacred architecture and sacred art. The basic belief is that geometry and mathematical ratios, harmonics and proportion are also found in music, light, cosmology. This value system is seen as widespread even in prehistory, a cultural universal of the human condition. It is considered foundational to building sacred structures such as temples, mosques, megaliths, monuments and churches; sacred spaces such as altars, temenoi and tabernacles; meeting places such as sacred groves, village greens and holy wells and the creation of religious art, iconography and using "divine" proportions. Alternatively, sacred geometry based arts may be ephemeral, such as visualization, sandpainting and medicine wheels.


YouTube - The Secret of the Universe 1 of 6


now this bady!!!
YouTube - ECONOMY MAGNETIC MOTORS / Equilibrius Grid / Jon DePew

JONDEPEW
(First off..this discovery represents much much more then only chained magnetic fields. So "I'm not sure" if you meant that in a snide way or not. If you think science knows how to do what i'm doing YOU would be quite wrong.The only people who know are people I've shown.
This is a FACT.
It it way beyond overunity(already proven) and that is only one of the wonderful qualities involved.
It represents the laws of Harmony in a more complete way then any other method science has perceived so far..
the range limits and how they relate to the inverse cube and inverse square rules>> Well I will say this > think of it as an "EXPANDABLE BUBBLE")

love and light
Inverse-Cube Gravity
What would happen if gravity obeyed an inverse cube law instead of an inverse square one? With regards to the 2-body problem, would angular momentum still be conserved, or does that tangential acceleration term in polar coordinates not drop out? I'm already thinking a 2-body system like this would inherently be unstable, but whether the instability is from angular momentum not being conserved or it is just inherently unstable such as the 3-body problem I am not sure about. Any thoughts?

http://www.wbabin.net/physics/borg4.pdf
now that what i call SYNCHRONICITY

[Vortex]

Yes Bodkins I agree these are all important.

I got lost a few time watching The Secret of the Universe.
When I wasn't lost, it all looks like valid conclusions,

My feelings without having the required "detailed understanding" is it is
very important information.

These things should be examined by those with means to evaluate them
with more detailed understanding and hopefully explain in layman terms
how a simple experiment would display/use this "inverse cube law"
without building Ed's device.
That way we all could get a feel for what this is by seeing it happen.

Randy

[Pirate88179]

EB and large supercap

I have a question:

I received my 650 Farad supercap from Gadgetmall yesterday, man this thing is huge!!! I sealed it into a tupperware container (for weather) and have 2 leads with clips exiting the container. It is polarized correctly as the terminals are clearly marked.

I hooked it to the EB in the afternoon and then checked it this morning to see what might be on the cap. Before, the EB was putting out about +1.95 vdc and around +6-8 mA's. This morning the cap read +2.4 vdc and -9 amps!! (not mA's) I have no idea why the amps are reading negative (-). This was read on the 10 amp scale. Can anyone here tell me why this might be?

I was also wondering if I need to use diodes so the power, as it becomes greater than the EB puts out alone, does not want to flow back into the EB. I have some n4001's and n4007's laying around. Would it be possible to put several of these in series to form a valve that would not let the charge go back to the EB?

has anyone run into anything like this before? (the minus reading) I have not and I am confused. i appreciate the help. Thanks.

If this reading is close to correct, I should be able to run a lot of stuff from the EB.

Bill

[Aaron]

cap rating

Hi Pirate,

Your cap is 650 Farads. What is the voltage it is rated for? How much did it cost.

Will the cap now light at least an LED from what is charged up by the EB?

[Pirate88179]

The cap is 2.7 volts and 650 Farads. I can't try just an led as it would fry right away. The volts are so high now I don't think I can run my Fuji as it may fry as well. (It is designed for 1.5 vdc or so input)

Gadgetmall sells these for around $60.00 or so. A very good deal. He just told me NOT to try to check the amps with any meter because as it gets filled, it will be 650 amps and will destroy the meter.

These are great but I need to slow down a little and plan some really good experiments. The power in these can really hurt or cause injury so caution is needed.

Bill

[Iotayodi]

This morning the cap read +2.4 vdc and -9 amps!! (not mA's) I have no idea why the amps are reading negative (-). This was read on the 10 amp scale. Can anyone here tell me why this might be?

You can put a load on the circuit with the meter depending on the impedance of the meter. Ive been told that you should use a meter with at least an impedance of 10 megohms when working with electronics. This cuts loading the circuit to a minimum. Unless your battery is going or the meter itself is going bad thats about all I know.

[Iotayodi]

it will be 650 amps and will destroy the meter.

Just read your post. Thought it was on the load itself.