Earth Battery SG

[DrStiffler]

The cap is 2.7 volts and 650 Farads. I can't try just an led as it would fry right away. The volts are so high now I don't think I can run my Fuji as it may fry as well. (It is designed for 1.5 vdc or so input)

Gadgetmall sells these for around $60.00 or so. A very good deal. He just told me NOT to try to check the amps with any meter because as it gets filled, it will be 650 amps and will destroy the meter.

These are great but I need to slow down a little and plan some really good experiments. The power in these can really hurt or cause injury so caution is needed.

Bill

@Pirate88179

Bill who told you that a SuperCap would continue to accept charge if the voltage across it remained the same?

Here are some basic facts that apply to all caps (SuperCaps included);

Q = CV
C = Q/V
V = Q/C

V is the voltage on the cap. C if the capacity in Farads and Q is the charge or Coulombs.

The energy in the cap can be found with a basic formula J = 1/2(CV^2) where J is Joules or WattSeconds. If you want WattHours then WHr = J/3600

So if yo have a cap of 650F @ 2.7V you get J=1/2(650*(2.7^2)) = 2.369E3 or 2,369 WattSeconds. Divide this by 3600 and 2369/3600= 6.581E-1 Watt Hours or 0.6581 = 658milliwatt hours.

Yes if you direct short this cap through the meter it should burn something up, but the fuse will not necessarily respond as the initial pulse is very short.

This is not much energy as the power is determined over time so you must use V*I*T.

The stored energy in a cap can also be found by W=CV^2/2 which I showed above.

Note that one Joule or WattSecond is only 2.78E-7 KwHr.

Hope this helps.

[ren]

I have a question:

Ivdc and around +6-8 mA's. This morning the cap read +2.4 vdc and -9 amps!! (not mA's) I have no idea why the amps are reading negative (-). This was read on the 10 amp scale. Can anyone here tell me why this might be?


has anyone run into anything like this before? (the minus reading) I have not and I am confused. i appreciate the help. Thanks.

If this reading is close to correct, I should be able to run a lot of stuff from the EB.

Bill

Bill, are you sure you just didnt hook up the amp meter correctly? Try switching the terminals of your meter around in the circuit? Analogue amp gauge can be helpful here for easier measurements. I know that if you hook up an amp gauge incorrectly you will read in the negative, and its usually as simple as reversing the leads.


Looks like you will get some juice out of this one. Id have a look at the part ratings in your fuji circuit, namely transistor/diodes. If they are good for 3 or 4 volts Id wing it and give it a go. Of course, Ive never been too over protective of my circuits, and the little puffs of black smoke from blown components occasionally results. But I dont think you will have a problem.You should be able to light an led directly off the EB as long as you have a decent resistor in series.

Keep it up. Still gathering some parts myself for some tinkering. Would love to read some more details on the construction of the earth battery itself. Have you dabbled with multiple cells yet?

Regards

[Inquorate]

Negative readings

@ pirate - I've had negative readings before while playing with imhotep oscillator and radiant energy / wireless energy transmission and dual diode configurations (one out one in on the same single pulsed dc wire) to an earth ground.. Sucking up the aether from the ground.

Check this guy's videos out to get a feel for what I mean;

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...n-circuit.html

I don't know what it means in respect to your EB, but I'll take a punt and say it's radiant..

I'd forgo the diodes (voltage drop), but find some high amp low ohm resistors, and put them in parallel together in different places in your circuit, and see what happens.

Love and light

[Pirate88179]

Earth Battery/Supercap runs Bedini Motor

Here is a video of me running a One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor from my earth battery and a 650 Farad 2.7 volt supercap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY

Bill

[Pirate88179]

Bill, are you sure you just didnt hook up the amp meter correctly? Try switching the terminals of your meter around in the circuit? Analogue amp gauge can be helpful here for easier measurements. I know that if you hook up an amp gauge incorrectly you will read in the negative, and its usually as simple as reversing the leads.


Looks like you will get some juice out of this one. Id have a look at the part ratings in your fuji circuit, namely transistor/diodes. If they are good for 3 or 4 volts Id wing it and give it a go. Of course, Ive never been too over protective of my circuits, and the little puffs of black smoke from blown components occasionally results. But I dont think you will have a problem.You should be able to light an led directly off the EB as long as you have a decent resistor in series.

Keep it up. Still gathering some parts myself for some tinkering. Would love to read some more details on the construction of the earth battery itself. Have you dabbled with multiple cells yet?

Regards

Thanks. This is good advice. Yes, I too have fried stuff which is why I am being a little careful here but, if I fry a Fuji, I have another and can make more. so, I like your attitude.....go for it.

This type of EB is very simple to make. I would be most happy to discuss this anytime. There are a few very important details we have learned about the positioning of the electrodes to get the most out of it but even with that, it is very easy to replicate.

So far, we have seen that multiple cells, as in series, are not possible, at least with the limited space I have here. I am using multiple positive rods (carbon, 2 of them) and that works fine. Parallel seems to be ok but series is still something to work on. I have seen folks place them in pots or plastic to isolate them but, I believe (personal opinion) that when you do that, you are getting just galvanic action and have blocked out the telluric currents by doing so. Let me know if I can help you if you decide to replicate this.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

@ pirate - I've had negative readings before while playing with imhotep oscillator and radiant energy / wireless energy transmission and dual diode configurations (one out one in on the same single pulsed dc wire) to an earth ground.. Sucking up the aether from the ground.

Check this guy's videos out to get a feel for what I mean;

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...n-circuit.html

I don't know what it means in respect to your EB, but I'll take a punt and say it's radiant..

I'd forgo the diodes (voltage drop), but find some high amp low ohm resistors, and put them in parallel together in different places in your circuit, and see what happens.

Love and light

Thank you very much for your post. Your suggestions are good ones and I need to get the time to try them. I thought I knew a lot about these EB circuits until I got this new cap. Now, I feel like I am learning from scratch. But, the good news is that I now have more power to play with so, once I learn, I should be able to light up and run more stuff. Thanks again.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

Earth battery lights 400 leds.....

My earth battery and modified Fuji Joule Thief circuit lighting 400 leds:

YouTube - 400 LEDs Lit From Earth Battery & Joule Thief Circuit

More to come.

Bill

[Rich sas]

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Bill, check your private message folder.

Rich

[Pirate88179]

Thank you. Sorry I was not paying attention to the pm's indicator. (Still getting used to this site)

Bill

[Bodkins]

My earth battery and modified Fuji Joule Thief circuit lighting 400 leds:

YouTube - 400 LEDs Lit From Earth Battery & Joule Thief Circuit

More to come.

Bill

Way to go BILL....

[Pirate88179]

@ Bodkins:

Thank you, I appreciate that. Hopefully, I have more stuff and more videos coming.

Bill

[CosmicFarmer]

Hmm. I tried making an earth battery in various spots in my back yard, but its hilly. I would imagine it matters how deep you drive your tools...

but just for final clarification reasons, the copper should be north, and the zinc should be south (northern hemi) ? It seems people disagree on which goes where, and even on materials.

And alignment. I would imagine the best readings would come when the metal in the ground is aligned to the magnetic lines of earth? or slightly off... I guess there is so much to know about what's underfoot...

One last question before I stop bothering you... Where do you hook up the EB to your SSG? I tried once direct hooking the grounds to parts in the circuit but all that did was drain power.

Thanks!

[Pirate88179]

Cos:

Yes, the alignment is crucial. But, we have found it is not magnetic north and south, it is aligned along the north/south meridian that works best. This can vary wildly from magnetic north/south depending on where you are on the planet. Also, the angle from the bottom of the electrodes should be as close to the magnetic dip angle for your area too. Copper should be to the north in your example. Carbon is way better than copper though.

Here is a site that calculates your magnetic deviation and dip angle:

NOAA's Geophysical Data Center - Geomagnetic Online Calculator

I hooked up the SSG by removing the "power battery" and making those connections to the supercap which is in parallel to the EB. That's it. The SSG didn't know the difference.


I hope this helps.

Bill

[mlurye]

Here are U.S. Patent 690,151 and U.S. Patent 3,361,957. I found it's interesting in regards to the topic.

[Bodkins]

Ive been playing hope you lot like it more to come
YouTube - bio charge sg fan and earth battery charging a cap!