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    I have a growing fascintation with these things as of lately. Watching some of the videos out there and searching for already documented info is somewhat challenging.
    The videos often show incomplete motor or WIPs of motors but rarely do you see somthing that is proof that you can harness the power from magnets and make static magnets do real work.
    Over about the last 2 months since the Howard Johnson Video came out I have been playing around with several PMM devices.

    I have had pretty good success with them. I am not going to show all the things I have built but I am going to try to lay down a small foundation for someone else to get started.

    I dont want to make claims that anything I am showing is 100% mine. I used what I seen and read, to formulate my positions and devices.

    The primary device I want to discuss is a small Magnetic Track that I built to played with for about a week. Similiar to Howard Johnsons train tracks. The formula is also outlined in his book.

    YouTube - Magnetic Track

    Its not pretty but basically its very simple. I have some 2 x 1 x 0.5 " ceramic magnets glued down to board. (The video is dark) The magnets are arranged at 45 Deg or so to the track wall and then set in one by one in front of each with aligning poles. North is set toward the open "V". Each side of the rail has NORTH pointing in. See pic if I confused ya.

    http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/MagTrack.jpg

    Now this is not spectacular in itself but it proves that magnets can do work in a linear fashion. Once engaged the magnet pulls the other magnets down the track. They produce Torque that can be measured. The movement of weight from point A to point B can be calculated into horsepower. Hence you have a motor, whether usefull or not. If not good for anything else it will make people wonder or scrath there heads.

    But further testing of different magnets show more positive results.

    This Motor is consistant with a straight line. A begining and end. A circle doesn't have this problem. Circular magnets can be shaped so in the same fashion with each angling in a different direction. If the magnets are big enough they will form the Vortex that shows up, in the device shown above.

    Vortex??? Whats about the device is a vortex. Vortex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'll tell ya. The diagrams in the following picture are what I'll refer to.

    http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/MagDiagramMaster.jpg

    Diagram #1
    This shows a common magnets under normal conditions from the side. From what I understand this is NOT the conventional view of a magnetic feild. But this is the way a magnet works.
    Both North and South have a dipole. For explaination purposes I'll refer to the North Positive (Left Vortex) and North Negative (Right Vortex). South Positive (Left) South Negetive(Right). This is just the theory I use to put my devices together. And it works. So far....

    Diagram #2 Show what happens when we rotate a magnet 45 degrees. The positive of the North pole and the negative of the South pole then are rotating on a horizontal plane. And the other 2 are rotating on a vertical plane.
    Now we should start to see how this can work for us. We know Ferrous materials will weaken the feild stregnth of a magnet, But not STOP them completly. So we don't want to use that to conserve half the the dipole. We want to use another dipole.
    Again I gotta note this is not new, Howard Johnson said it in his book.
    A Magnetic feild can be SHORTED out with another magnet.

    Diagram # 4 shows how to do this and what happens when we do it. And in my device that was in the movie this is exactly what happens. We short out the Negative North with the Positive South. And we continue it through several magnets. This allows for (in this device) the Positive North from each set of magnets to MOTOR in the same direction. Hopefully you can see how a NORTH magnet could get pulled into this and dragged along until it ends. The feild of photons from both the Driver and driven magnets interlock and basically have the same motion characteristics of Tennis Ball Launcher. And they form a Vortex.

    A very simple means of creating linear motion from static magnets.

    Now thats great if all you wanna do is drag some magnet from one end to another. Think of the uses it could contribute to society. A finger smasher. Thats by best device I can come up with.....

    Again I have to say this very same effect can be acheived with round magnets, in a circle. The trick is finding the right sized magnet to drive.

    OR....

    You can cut magnets. EI Diagram #3
    Although this takes good tools and some knowledge of the materials and cutting, the biggest worry you have is creating to much heat while cutting them. A wet tile saw filled with Ice water and a metal diamond blade can do alot in this department. MAgnetic shavings can be removed from the blade with another big magnet.
    Think about it... If you have a magnetized cube and you cut four corners at 45 deg, off the cube to make a smaller cube then your poles will run from corner to corner. Or you cut 2 corners off, rather wide then 2 corners rather small then you end up with a small flat plate. These plates together side to side will give you the same effect as the MagTrack device shown earlier and can be done with powerful magnets.
    Shapes can be formed with soft magnetic materials (Fridge magnets) between magnets. The feilds from these magnets won't get in the way of the bigger magnets. You have already seen Diagram#5.
    If you take a fridge magnet and cut slices progresivly larger every time then stack them they make wedges. Or they can simple be compresed on one end and not the other. This might hurt the feild but it still can be used.

    http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/M...amAssembly.jpg

    I'll leave you with this image of a partial assembly.

    Now I know about the scepticism thing and I can't blame people for not wanting to except a movie of something, but this a foundation of material that works.
    It may not, in the long run, produce viable free energy. But it does produce.
    Build the simple one shown in the movie. It costs about 20 bucks and can show you alot. Then if you still don't think its possible to have a permanent magnetic motor, post it. And i'll show you a little more.

    Hopefully someone will try it out and see what I see in it.
    Be careful.

    Again I don't want to take any credit for this, I just wanted to show people it works.

    Cheers
    Matt
    Last edited by Matthew Jones; 07-05-2008, 10:45 PM.

  • #2
    Hi Matt,
    Here is one of my experiments.

    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...light=perendev

    Back then I did not know much about this stuff, still, it was an interesting experiment

    Great post BTW
    It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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    • #3
      Did your version of it work?. Did you do the machine work?

      Glad you liked it.
      Matt

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      • #4
        No, it did not work. I suppose that it id not work because there was a gap between the magnets and the housing was made from aluminum, that creates drag, when a strong magnet passes by because of the eddy currents. From what I understood from Perendev patent, if you don't put the magnets tight with no air gap, but rather some distance away from each other, you need to shield the magnets somehow, so that only one spin of magnetic field is released, like so:


        As far as I know, Perendev had his magnets enclosed in a mild steel tube that was cut in an angle.
        Thanks,
        Jetijs
        It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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        • #5
          Well thats not so hard to acheive. Metal can make that feild but you can do it with soft magnets, super glue and some clamps even easier.
          The thing I am looking for is the KISS method I don't like the timing style devices. If it requires timing i don't even want to mess with it, unless its electric.
          I don't beleive you need to. The magnet has 4 motors going all the time, let it worry about the timing, i'll spend days squezing them together.

          Matt

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          • #6
            starting point

            Hi Matt,
            I've been looking at your video. There seems to be alot of thrust power in that setup. It really shoots those 4 magnets through the array. Can you start the 4 magnets anywhere along the course, or is there a starting gate you have to use? That seems to be the problem with other setups I've seen.

            Howard

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            • #7
              Jetijs: your design only had one row? the perendev has three. as the first line of magnets comes to its stopping point, the other equally repels and the third overcomes the force sending it forward? That’s how I see it. A lot of video on you-tube have one row and the center magnets goes around once. I would like to see one with three rows and offset the outer ring so center magnet won't stop.
              My next one be drilled more precise, have magnets angled, and be shielded on all sides but North. Here is a pic, Neodymium magnets.


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              • #8
                Rick, your setup looks great
                But I noticed that your rotor magents are not in the so called "golden cut" (or something like that). The patent states that the rotor magnets should be aligned like this:


                Yes, I had only one disc, but that was made out of aluminum. Due to the eddycurrent drag I decided that there is no point in making more discs out of aluminum. That is why I did not continue the project.
                It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                • #9
                  Thanks Jetijs I will build the next one like that

                  Sorry Matt I do not mean to mess up your thread. Thankyou for the great post/info!!

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                  • #10
                    Permanent Magnet Motor

                    Hi Guys,

                    I am building this design, which is very likely to work. Take a look: MAGNET MOYTORS

                    Elias
                    Humility, an important property for a COP>1 system.
                    http://blog.hexaheart.org

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                    • #11
                      The video is removed?

                      I checked to see the video of the website, and I found out that it is removed by the user, why should he do that? I mean I have heard before that youtube removes videos that show incredible development?! Maybe youtube has removed it. Anyway I am going to give it a try, because I could not figure out why shouldn't this simple design work.
                      Humility, an important property for a COP>1 system.
                      http://blog.hexaheart.org

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by elias View Post
                        I checked to see the video of the website, and I found out that it is removed by the user, why should he do that? I mean I have heard before that youtube removes videos that show incredible development?! Maybe youtube has removed it. Anyway I am going to give it a try, because I could not figure out why shouldn't this simple design work.
                        Seems incredible, that medias like youtube help for suppressing this tecnology; this tecnology is easly tested; two days ago, I was playing with my neos magnets, building a magnet gate, is incredible how magnets is pushed by the magnetic field.
                        Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                        Steve Jobs. Apple CEO

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bloomers View Post
                          I've been looking at your video. There seems to be alot of thrust power in that setup. It really shoots those 4 magnets through the array. Can you start the 4 magnets anywhere along the course, or is there a starting gate you have to use? That seems to be the problem with other setups I've seen.
                          Hey Bloomer
                          Ya you can insert the magnets anywhere. At either end it is easier to insert them without 2 much resistance. The key is the driven magnets. They need to be pointed north into the array. They travel either way as the video shows.
                          I beleive but havn't tested that if you insert into the inside of the V, like I did most of the time in the video, that it strongest that way. Going opposite of the V does work but doesn't seen to hit as hard at the end. I beleive just the south pole of the driven magnet is adding to the effect.

                          If your interested in trying it...

                          This is the magnets I used for the sides
                          http://www.magnet4sale.com/product.p...cat=250&page=1

                          The center was 4 magents back to back,
                          http://www.magnet4sale.com/product.p...cat=370&page=1

                          I have also been testing the same array in a limited form in a circle. Its taking a while because I have to cut the magnets. To make a circle from square magnets you have to use a different shape.


                          This allows you to get the angle from the side while slowly rotating the magnets around. I beleive its going to do the trick for rotation, but I gotta enough magnets to finish it.

                          Cheers
                          Matt

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                          • #14
                            A question to Matthews

                            Have you tested any closed loop circular magnetic track?

                            (I wonder if we can build this kind of magnetic array onto the sidewall of the rotor (or stator)? In this case, we wouldn't need to worry about the angle from the side. )
                            Last edited by anut; 09-02-2008, 07:00 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by elias View Post
                              Hi Guys,

                              I am building this design, which is very likely to work. Take a look: MAGNET MOYTORS

                              Elias
                              Just to mention that this design does not work.

                              And yes the challenge is to make it work on a closed loop.

                              Elias
                              Humility, an important property for a COP>1 system.
                              http://blog.hexaheart.org

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