A Word On Permanent Magnetic Motors...

[monsterman]

Well if it could actually could produce power, or was vialble source of torque to do work with it would be invaluable. When you start loking at how much it would make YOU well then you have secumbed to greed. This is usually the biggest downfall to any invention of this nature.
Best answer I could give you is it would pay for itself over a period of time.

The magnets could and most likely would outlast you. The bearings may not last that long though and other components would most likely fail first.

Matt

yes i understand. i am not a greedy person and i worry about global warming and the planet first.

[monsterman]

Well if it could actually could produce power, or was vialble source of torque to do work with it would be invaluable. When you start loking at how much it would make YOU well then you have secumbed to greed. This is usually the biggest downfall to any invention of this nature.
Best answer I could give you is it would pay for itself over a period of time.

The magnets could and most likely would outlast you. The bearings may not last that long though and other components would most likely fail first.

Matt

i do not want the invention falling into the wrong hands .

[Joit]

Well i would'nt worry.
Usual its like this, they try to vanish it, but not to make Money with it.
My Opinion is to sproad it to Peoples, make them for Friends, Neighbours,
that noone can say at last, 'That doesnt exist'.
But i hope, you dont had the same Idea for a Asynchron PermMagnetMotor, like i have atm

[monsterman]

Well i would'nt worry.
Usual its like this, they try to vanish it, but not to make Money with it.
My Opinion is to sproad it to Peoples, make them for Friends, Neighbours,
that noone can say at last, 'That doesnt exist'.
But i hope, you dont had the same Idea for a Asynchron PermMagnetMotor, like i have atm

what is a asyncho perma motor?

[Joit]

Sorry, asymetric.
YouTube - Asymetric Magnet Motor
I found that on Youtube, but seems it doesnt work, he never show a running Model.
I try to rebuild something, but i am still trying.

[monsterman]

Well i would'nt worry.
Usual its like this, they try to vanish it, but not to make Money with it.
My Opinion is to sproad it to Peoples, make them for Friends, Neighbours,
that noone can say at last, 'That doesnt exist'.
But i hope, you dont had the same Idea for a Asynchron PermMagnetMotor, like i have atm

no i have no ideas just wondering if it is worth working on. mainly wondering if the magnet would run out of magnatism in time.?

[Joit]

When you can build up a strong Motor its surly worth, but as i know, you need to work precise, and get the right Setup.
Magnets loose Force with Shocks and Heat, some from 80°C Heat, others , i think 170°C, else they have Power for 400 Years.

[monsterman]

When you can build up a strong Motor its surly worth, but as i know, you need to work precise, and get the right Setup.
Magnets loose Force with Shocks and Heat, some from 80°C Heat, others , i think 170°C, else they have Power for 400 Years.

ty for your answer. I read that magnets that are close to each other loose strength

[Matthew Jones]

They can loose stregnth. I have shorted them purposly to have inert magnetic material. But in this case I don't they are close enough to do this.

Magnets can last longer than 400 years. Some magnetic rocks that were created via lightning in china are still around and still magnetic over 3500 years old. I beleive in Athens Greece they have one from a museum that is also a couple thousand years old.

They used to call them Sticking Stones.

I am not really sure if the design I am working on now will work or not. Testing leads me to beleive I can make it functional, but magnets have funny way of showing you the unseen and unpredicted.

Rest assured if it works it will be open sourced immediatly, so that duplication can begin.

Matt

[Joit]

I am not really sure if the design I am working on now will work or not. Testing leads me to beleive I can make it functional, but magnets have funny way of showing you the unseen and unpredicted.


Matt

Yeah, they allways find a Hole, where they can put out a Spike.
Anyhow, i really think, they build a Dipole.
Right now, i hold Magnets at any weird place around it, and it still makes an other effekt, the Flux turns out different.
Anyhow i am thinking on, how you can channel the Forces into a turning Direction.

[Dingus]

I know that the drive wheel should be large enough that it should not take the moving magnets out of the track's path by more than 5% of the overall length, and I was thinking that maybe the track could be put on some kind of hinge and be able to teeter-totter to contour the path of the rotor magnet to stay within the vortice field. Although that may over-complicate things.

Since I don't think I have the tools to cut magnets well, I was wondering if either increasing or decreasing the angle of the magnets could weaken if not eliminate the resistance.

For lack of better diagram:
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I'm glad I still have my old ceiling fan, I think it might make a nice motor for this.

[Matthew Jones]

I have tried alot of combinations. Not quete like yours but I have found nothing that works on round solution. Primarly because, just to have the magnets go around and end up perpendicular to each other you have to have a skewed magnet.
I have also started finding limits in the track that I now try to over come. I want to start adding stronger neos to the middle and progresivly get weaker to the outside ends of the track. This I beleive will reduce the incoming and outgoing tension but deliver more power to the middle.

I had one engineer who wrote me and made half sense in what he said was going on (Out of 25 or so that didn't). I kinda made fun of him so he would go away, but anyway. He said the device was storing the Kinetic energy produced from the action of pushing the magnets in the track.
So I have been actively looking to test that. So far I am having a hard time with the math but I cannot find where he might have been wrong I can't disprove him. The only thing that gets me is when I measure the pulling power of everything. The numbers line up perfectly to the stregnths of the magnets.
He also said the the mechanism would slow down over time. So far I have built up to 3 foot myself and have not had any slowing down. The problem with 3 feet was a lack of power through the middle. As long as the track was oiled the driven magnets kept the same speed till the end. But when I measure the pulling power in the middle it was reduced. I filmed it at a perpendicular angle to the top of the track and measure the frames, all were within expectation. The beginning and end seemed a little fast but that was the perpective of the camera.

Now with my latest test I have been spacing the driven (Center) magnets out and hooking them to a peice of plastic.

YouTube - MagTrack3

You can see they pull each other in after so many are in the gate. But when this gets long (20 magnets) the power is so low and the drag is so high it no longer pulls but hangs. So I gotta over come that.

The primary goal is to use the magtrack to pull a magnet laden belt through and around 2 pullies, with shafts attached to flywheels. The first device I can doing it will most likely not be viable power sources but will prove magnets can do usefull work in the form of kinetic energy.

This, above all, will prove once and for all that magnets can do work. I wanna do it this way because the visuals on it are easy to overcome. You can see all the parts easily. All the other motors I have seen always have somthing hidden. Like the german guy with the box and drum setup that spins fast. Whats in the center of the drum? The same thing goes with the spinner deal that has several round magnets on the outside and appears to accelerate. Whats under the center disk. How do we know that the outside magnets are driving it and not the other way around. And by the way I don't say they don't work but.... you still got to look at a possible hoax
If the whole assembly is visible and easily duplicated then we got a case. Form there things can get worked out to develop power. I can start exploring cut magnets with some credentials.

Follow me?

Cheers
Matt

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[braden]

re track system

Hi Mat and Co
Following on from the magnetic track idea, what if you built a roller coaster type of arrangement whereby the tack is suspended like the cars on a roller coaster , then imagine them making a full circle a bit like those loop the loop arrangement,
that way the magnetic track should still move forward on its track but behave as though it were flat

[codemaker92]

Just checking

Hey Matt, can you post a video of one track launching the magnets into another, then switching the order and doing it again? (that is if you have two tracks that are the same)

[Matthew Jones]

That would depend on which track you are referring to.

The original track (YouTube - Magnetic Track) won't do it. It doesn't have enough "umph" to break through.

You have to use it differently like this video shows. YouTube - MagTrack3. Separate the driven magnets. If this were on belt and the belt was around the pulley......

YouTube - LatestAssembly.MPG. This one would do it but I only have 1 built right now.
Heres how to build it. http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/MagTrack3_jpg.jpg Here is the ledger for the drawing http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/MagTrack3Docs.txt

Feel free to give your idea a try.

I have more stuff I need to take the time to film, but I am busy building a shop for all this stuff I got going. When I get moved into it I'll get busy.

Let me know if you need any help.

Matt