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    Originally posted by nat1971a View Post
    i have wondered for quite a while why not many people experiment with vacuum tubes especially when i think edwin gray did and Tesla apparently did with his car....makes a lot of sense to start experimenting with them
    I think somewhere in the past on this forum I wrote about it. I did had a VERY successful experiment; but today I can not prove it to anyone, that is why I am now using the video camera extensively as lab-note. I suggest others to invest in a reasonable camera. Mine is a 30mb JVC hard drive Everio - not the best, not top grade but doing just fine.

    Now that I think some of my results are proven here, I can date a statement HERE ONLY: I had a similar very stupid circuit (to this one) and was playing around with magnets on old Bedini wheel and bi-F coil. Circuit none of Bedini.

    I ran it through a valve and coil with some transistors only. 2N3055, grain of wheat and two resistors, discharge back to another charging battery. Both batteries are the same one I am using now; and they did 12 cycles on Bedini SG. Wheel was switching transistor on one #26 wire of coil and #22 went to charge battery with resistor - oh yes, and had diode.

    The whole thing played around a valve (triode) that I had from an old Tellefunken radio hams junk. Al can remember is that it was marked JAN - later only learned there are plenty ex-WWII Joint Airfore and Navy stuff.

    I remember the night I called my very good friend to tell him about my excitement and my one son also saw this. Amp draw on run battery was 21 Milli Amp, output to charge battery was 33-35 milli Amp. Circuit was complete closed circuit. Same small analog meter used then – all I had. Yes, you can say all about meters - I know and proved it in one of my video's.

    The next day I wanted to boosted the current a bit – tried 24Vdc. Connected, phone rang – all went up in smoke; as in everything charcoal, resistors - coil and wheel OK. Triode literally popped and melted the filaments inside. I desperately tried to get similar valve, in vain. I bought 12 pieces that weekend, all JAN's and looks similar - but can not work; US$ 480 lying in a drawer. Never realized these stuff can be so expensive. I did not even pay for that old radio, was in junk box with an ornament my GF wanted – paid something like US$ 2 for the box!

    YES, I was stupid. Just worked on feeling, no diagram, no pre-plan or thoughts. Was literally just doodling to figure out how this thing (valve) really worked. Someday I will try to ponder that one again.

    So, nat1971a; I KNOW for a fact there is something extremely valuable in those grandfathers of this transistors we are using here. That is actually why I concentrated on transistors as descendants of those old valves.
    Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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    • Thanks

      Originally posted by Inquorate View Post
      Try conditioning new master transistors with pulses from imhotep fan or imhotep self oscillating relay - to base, first..........
      Will play around more later this weekend, now got to get my nerves calmed down, or.....

      Re coil: Remember in one video I think / I said there is something more about the coil. I am much furhter develloped, so do not mind sharing it now. Bi-filar coil around fluorecent tube - the end of the one wire became the beginning of the reverse flow. Tesla's style in one of his patents. It magnifies the energy exponental.

      If you do not understand this, I can explain more later.
      Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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      • Originally posted by Aromaz View Post
        Gentlemen, Maybe I am making a mistake? Maybe something is wrong?

        I did not sleep last night; I was just pondering from one option to the other. Early this morning I fell asleep and dreamed - unfortunately I can not remember everything.

        Please note: I am not a 'professional' and I do not consider these results absolute - if I did, I would not be here.

        There is one thing that changed in the morning; sorry I truely forgot to mention it, probbaly due to tiredness. My earth wire is now properly gound connected to a 12mm copper steel rod hammered 250 cm deep into the raw dirt.

        I think of this forum as a joint venture to help and assist each other with ideas and to experiment. It is an experimental forum? Or am I wrong?

        Before I go and spend/risk some US$ 220 I thought to check something else first: I went looking for an Analog multi meter (that can read Micro-Amp) this morning and was fortunate to find one in an electronic shop. So very nervous I connected it up. Here are some photos I took - same setup as last night with 24 Vdc and new analog multi meter. For sake of interest and comparison, I used both the probe and 10A plug. At 10A plug that was the highest I could get the needle to move. You can see the lights on the background, now very well lit daylight in lab.

        Today I am going to attempt a BIG thing. If it works there will be a video called 'Aromaz xxx' - if not then look forward to video 'Aroma #018' and let us go on to reach ‘Video xxx’ in near future - I hope, else all is in vain.

        I am excited; I am scared for disappointment.

        Aromaz

        From the video shot, your pos analogue meter lead appears to be plugged into the 10Amp socket. Check your manual on this because I think this should be just for the 10Amp current range?

        Hoppy

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        • Originally posted by Hoppy View Post
          Aromaz

          From the video shot, your pos analogue meter lead appears to be plugged into the 10Amp socket. Check your manual on this because I think this should be just for the 10Amp current range?

          Hoppy

          @Hoppy - Thank you. On that particular digital meter it does not matter - only difference is a fuse in the 10A socket. But - I did test it in both sockets anyway.

          Refer to my poting above #1531 which your refer to as well: "For sake of interest and comparison, I used both the probe and 10A plug. At 10A plug that was the highest I could get the needle to move. You can see the lights on the background, now very well lit daylight in lab." Also refer to those photos with analog meter.

          On most of the other multimeters they give a related but not same scale.

          @BODKINS: I just got back from farm, set-up there not yet ready. I hammerd a series of 3m brass rods into the soil and also one steel rod of same size. The folowiong are those results

          Measures from pen down: measures with one probe (+) in my hand and other on rod.
          3-5 minutes - Brass rods - ave 32 m Vdc, mild steel steel = 17.8 Vdc
          30 minutes - Brass rods - ave 115 mV, steel 96 mV
          90 minutes - Brass rods - Ave 135 mV, steel 127 mV
          2 hours - Brass rods - Ave 151 mV, steel 164 mV.
          Tested brass to brass - at 2 hours - 221 mV
          Brass to steel - at 2 hours - 144 mVdc.

          I also errected an attennae 6m above soil total 95 meter copper wire; stretched over distance of 15 m from one end to other 6 lengths. Only measures once - 182 mV. Could not measure Antena to ground yet.

          So will give it a day to cure, then I will start conditioning the probes with frequency generator for two more days - after which I hope to see interesting things.
          After 30 minutes -
          Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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          • Ok so I have finished the PWM toroidal build for now. Its stable, doesnt overheat and I managed to cut amp draw again somewhat. This does come at a slight cost of light production, it is up to the end user I guess as to how much they are willing to pay for what level of light. So the only thing I dont really like about it is the sound it makes.

            Please note that while it does push a decent amount of amperage, the light output is close to that of an unmodified unit running off mains. These globes are 23 watt, so thats 46 watts for both of them. Running @ 24v 500ma (12 watt) there is more than enough light to illiminate the entire room.

            Video here YouTube - PWM Toroidal Oscillator

            Schematic below. I wont post any further details regarding this construction as it appears everyone else in the thread is traveling a different path. Enjoy.
            Last edited by ren; 06-13-2009, 12:40 AM.
            "Once you've come to the conclusion that what what you know already is all you need to know, then you have a degree in disinterest." - John Dobson

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            • I hummed a tune...

              And the earth hummed back..

              'twas a merry tune.

              YouTube - Inquorate 13
              Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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              • Originally posted by ren View Post
                Ok so I have finished the PWM toroidal build for now. Its stable, doesnt overheat and I managed to cut amp draw again somewhat. This does come at a slight cost of light production, it is up to the end user I guess as to how much they are willing to pay for what level of light. So the only thing I dont really like about it is the sound it makes.

                Please note that while it does push a decent amount of amperage, the light output is close to that of an unmodified unit running off mains. These globes are 23 watt, so thats 46 watts for both of them. Running @ 24v 500ma (12 watt) there is more than enough light to illiminate the entire room.

                Video here YouTube - PWM Toroidal Oscillator

                Schematic below. I wont post any further details regarding this construction as it appears everyone else in the thread is traveling a different path. Enjoy.

                Very Nice Ren Thanks
                Can you pick up any BEMF from your coil?

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                • Originally posted by Aromaz View Post
                  @Hoppy - Thank you. On that particular digital meter it does not matter - only difference is a fuse in the 10A socket. But - I did test it in both sockets anyway.

                  Refer to my poting above #1531 which your refer to as well: "For sake of interest and comparison, I used both the probe and 10A plug. At 10A plug that was the highest I could get the needle to move. You can see the lights on the background, now very well lit daylight in lab." Also refer to those photos with analog meter.

                  On most of the other multimeters they give a related but not same scale.

                  @BODKINS: I just got back from farm, set-up there not yet ready. I hammerd a series of 3m brass rods into the soil and also one steel rod of same size. The folowiong are those results

                  Measures from pen down: measures with one probe (+) in my hand and other on rod.
                  3-5 minutes - Brass rods - ave 32 m Vdc, mild steel steel = 17.8 Vdc
                  30 minutes - Brass rods - ave 115 mV, steel 96 mV
                  90 minutes - Brass rods - Ave 135 mV, steel 127 mV
                  2 hours - Brass rods - Ave 151 mV, steel 164 mV.
                  Tested brass to brass - at 2 hours - 221 mV
                  Brass to steel - at 2 hours - 144 mVdc.

                  I also errected an attennae 6m above soil total 95 meter copper wire; stretched over distance of 15 m from one end to other 6 lengths. Only measures once - 182 mV. Could not measure Antena to ground yet.

                  So will give it a day to cure, then I will start conditioning the probes with frequency generator for two more days - after which I hope to see interesting things.
                  After 30 minutes -
                  LOL great you are giving proof to was i see happening. We so needed you at this thread I dont get the time you have, but will try and rep your finding to give credit, Its all in the potential difference and the pump(oscillatons).
                  The feed back(disco lights) is the haromic coming back too,I think the way to get past this stage is to double up the setup maybe or up the frequence by just under half again. This will all help the stubblefield coil too is all the same stuff once we get the balance it will run itself forever.


                  Tesla used tube because he did not have GERMANIUM
                  Last edited by Bodkins; 12-04-2008, 10:11 PM.

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                  • @Inquorate
                    Gots some ideas with the double diode waiting for delivery before i get going.
                    I have no idea what you talking about in the rammbering but if it works for you I Aggree

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                    • Originally posted by Aromaz View Post
                      @Hoppy - Thank you. On that particular digital meter it does not matter - only difference is a fuse in the 10A socket. But - I did test it in both sockets anyway.

                      Refer to my poting above #1531 which your refer to as well: "For sake of interest and comparison, I used both the probe and 10A plug. At 10A plug that was the highest I could get the needle to move. You can see the lights on the background, now very well lit daylight in lab." Also refer to those photos with analog meter.

                      On most of the other multimeters they give a related but not same scale.

                      @BODKINS: I just got back from farm, set-up there not yet ready. I hammerd a series of 3m brass rods into the soil and also one steel rod of same size. The folowiong are those results

                      Measures from pen down: measures with one probe (+) in my hand and other on rod.
                      3-5 minutes - Brass rods - ave 32 m Vdc, mild steel steel = 17.8 Vdc
                      30 minutes - Brass rods - ave 115 mV, steel 96 mV
                      90 minutes - Brass rods - Ave 135 mV, steel 127 mV
                      2 hours - Brass rods - Ave 151 mV, steel 164 mV.
                      Tested brass to brass - at 2 hours - 221 mV
                      Brass to steel - at 2 hours - 144 mVdc.

                      I also errected an attennae 6m above soil total 95 meter copper wire; stretched over distance of 15 m from one end to other 6 lengths. Only measures once - 182 mV. Could not measure Antena to ground yet.

                      So will give it a day to cure, then I will start conditioning the probes with frequency generator for two more days - after which I hope to see interesting things.
                      After 30 minutes -
                      Aromaz

                      I am still very confused at the uA current readings you are getting and the video shots of your new analogue meter. On the other shot you show your meter pointer set at the 50V DC range. Did you intend to show us a voltage reading, as I thought these shots were to show the current comparison using both sockets? As far as I can see the 50uA range that you are set to with the positive probe in the 10A socket, the probe should be moved to the normal red positive probe socket for this range. I can't see how the 50uA range can work from the 10A socket. One check would be to place a 1M ohm resistor in series with a 12V battery and compare the current (12uA) using both normal and 10A probe sockets.

                      Sorry to harp on about this but I've been experimenting a long time with CFL's with HV and have never seen them light with micro amps, so its important that if you have made a breakthrough, then the meter readings need to be verified by others using the same experimental setup.

                      Hoppy
                      Last edited by Hoppy; 12-04-2008, 02:13 PM.

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                      • Hi everyone,

                        for anyone who have not seen this yet. Below are links to download a video taken of a working model of a Tesla transformer which extracts energy from the ground. It was built by a guy from Georgia (ex USSR) about two years ago.

                        The video is impressive.

                        Please note that you need all 4 parts downloaded before you can extract the complete video.

                        RapidShare: Easy Filehosting
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                        This was posted at Overunity Forum in The Tesla Project topic on April 24, 2008

                        Luc

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                        • Hi all.
                          Today I bought a bunch of 2n3055 transistors and some 2n2222 transistors. When I got home, it turned out that instead of 2n2222 transistors they gave me KSP2222A transistors But I tried it anyway. I do not have a real earth ground yet, but I tried to use a large metal plate as ground instead:



                          The circuit will not start to oscillate on it's own, I have to connect a capacitance to the base of the KSP2222 transistor, a small wire is enough to get it to self oscillate. When it runs, the circuit consumes about 100mA from 12V battery. A 18w cylinder type bulb lights up dimmly on its own without any metal plates attached. But when I attach the metal plate to the other end of the bulb, it gets brighter. The interesting thing is that if I connect the other end of the bulb to negative terminal of the ignition coil instead of the metal plate, the oscillations stop. The same happens if I connect the other end of the light bulb to the positive terminal of the light bulb. Another interesting thing is that if I attach a wire to the base of the KSP2222 transistor and slowly move it towards a small metal piece for example a screwdriver or a piece of aluminum foil, a spark jumps to it and the light goes up in brightness, but so does also the amp draw, it goes up to 2.5-3A. Another interesting thing is that if I take a long sheet of aluminum foil, some 10mm wide and connect the wire from the base of the KSP2222 transistor to it, I can pull the sheet of foil up a little. It sticks to the wire like iron to a magnet. Also if I put the wire so that it is not touching the foil directly, but just so far to create a spark (about 0.5mm), the foil lifts up towards the wire. This is like the experiments with longditudional waves in a video by Peter Lindemann and Eric Dollard that I saw. In the video they were experimenting with wireless electricity, and a light bulb that was light up with this radiant energy did attract a piece of thin copper foil to itself
                          Not much else to report for now. I need to make a good earth ground wire.
                          Thanks,
                          Jetijs
                          It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                          • Originally posted by gotoluc View Post
                            Hi everyone,

                            for anyone who have not seen this yet. Below are links to download a video taken of a working model of a Tesla transformer which extracts energy from the ground. It was built by a guy from Georgia (ex USSR) about two years ago.

                            The video is impressive.

                            Please note that you need all 4 parts downloaded before you can extract the complete video.

                            RapidShare: Easy Filehosting
                            RapidShare: Easy Filehosting
                            RapidShare: Easy Filehosting
                            RapidShare: Easy Filehosting

                            This was posted at Overunity Forum in The Tesla Project topic on April 24, 2008

                            Luc
                            heya Luc, thanks for posting these links. but, as the ip's are shared here in ireland, rapid share wont allow us to download these files. do you know if they are anywhere else? or could someone upload them to their web site so we can access them?
                            thanks

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                            • stringguy, download one part, then wait for 30 minutes or so and you will be able to download again
                              It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                              • Originally posted by slayer007 View Post
                                Very Nice Ren Thanks
                                Can you pick up any BEMF from your coil?
                                Diode off the collector causes lights to cease. Pretty much all BEMF is transfered inductively to the secondaries for lighting purposes. The toroidal is different to the ignition coil in that the windings are not coupled in anyway.

                                @ Jet. I had EXACTLY the same results as you, including the KSP2222a. 100 ma @ 12v, low light. 500ma @ 24v, half decent light. Can draw less, but light drops. Clip or finger on the base starts it oscillating. I saw no difference in having one 2n3055 or having 3. I could get it to self oscillate when I put more lights on the back end.
                                "Once you've come to the conclusion that what what you know already is all you need to know, then you have a degree in disinterest." - John Dobson

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