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  • Thanks ren
    I also did not see any difference in using one or up to five 2n3055 transistors in parallel. Did you use a normal earth ground?
    Also I bought some powerful CFL's that are rated equivalent to 125w of conventional light, could not get them to light up, but it works fine on weaker bulbs. Must be a different gas inside, different pressure or something else.
    Last edited by Jetijs; 12-04-2008, 08:23 PM.
    It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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    • Jet, I didnt use an earth ground to start with at all. It worked still. Earth ground tested later didnt seem to change results for me.

      My tests have shown to me that some amp draw is needed, especially in the larger bulbs. Those 125 watters would need a decent squirt I imagine! Like you saw in my video when they begin to conduct amp draw shoots up! I have regularly seen it shoot past 5 amps on 12v on my setup. Best brightness however can only be had when one restricts the pulse width, almost like you need to choke it once current is flowing. I am not sure what makes a 20 watt bulb brighter than a 10 watt. Perhaps you are right and it is a different gas ratio or sheer volume/size etc.

      Just a small tip for those lighting multiple globes incase you havent figured it out yet. I have much better results when all globes are of the same make and rating. And the spirals seem to work the best for me....
      "Once you've come to the conclusion that what what you know already is all you need to know, then you have a degree in disinterest." - John Dobson

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      • Charles F. Kettering of General Motors fame wrote, "Some business men believe if you build a beautiful laboratory and fill it with expensive equipment and hire a number of high salaried men with lots of scientific degrees, you will have a fine research organization. No. Facilities are all right in a laboratory, but its the men who count. Just as in a studio, it is the artist who counts, and a good research man, by the way, is an artist. Work in a laboratory may be weeks, months, or years of drudgery. Some of it can be done by the average worker. But when you break through into new territory, enter an unknown door, go down that lonesome road (and no one who has not gone down that road can know how lonesome it can be,) it is THE ARTIST'S POWER OF CREATIVE IMAGINATION which carries you. That is why it is so hard to pick good men for a research laboratory. You may pick top men from the finest engineering and scientific schools. But if they haven't that inner spark, the curiosity, the wonder, the feel of things, they are no good. *** They must have the enthusiasm and latent powers of creation." Dr, Kettering continues "I have no fuss with our colleges — they cram the boys to the gills with knowledge. But I wish the professors would do one more thing. I wish they would teach the boys how little our present knowledge is, how much of that knowledge which seems true today will have to be thrown out of the window tomorrow, how many things which can be proved impossible today, with two slips of a slide rule will be possible and in operation ten years hence," end of quote.

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        • Originally posted by Bodkins View Post
          Charles F. Kettering of General Motors fame wrote, "Some business men believe if you build a beautiful laboratory and fill it with expensive equipment and hire a number of high salaried men with lots of scientific degrees, you will have a fine research organization. No. Facilities are all right in a laboratory, but its the men who count. Just as in a studio, it is the artist who counts, and a good research man, by the way, is an artist. Work in a laboratory may be weeks, months, or years of drudgery. Some of it can be done by the average worker. But when you break through into new territory, enter an unknown door, go down that lonesome road (and no one who has not gone down that road can know how lonesome it can be,) it is THE ARTIST'S POWER OF CREATIVE IMAGINATION which carries you. That is why it is so hard to pick good men for a research laboratory. You may pick top men from the finest engineering and scientific schools. But if they haven't that inner spark, the curiosity, the wonder, the feel of things, they are no good. *** They must have the enthusiasm and latent powers of creation." Dr, Kettering continues "I have no fuss with our colleges — they cram the boys to the gills with knowledge. But I wish the professors would do one more thing. I wish they would teach the boys how little our present knowledge is, how much of that knowledge which seems true today will have to be thrown out of the window tomorrow, how many things which can be proved impossible today, with two slips of a slide rule will be possible and in operation ten years hence," end of quote.
          yes Yes YES!!! This is the world we should build, this is the world we should live in. Tesla and most of us here were born too early.

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          • I notice something interesting. I'm using computer power supply with my coil. Coil running in self-resonance and CFLs are fairly bright. But interesting thing is that when I'm turning power supply off I'm getting increase off brightness for a second before CFLs will go off. Did anybody else notice it? Or it is somehow related to power supply.
            Last edited by mlurye; 12-05-2008, 01:30 AM.
            Mike

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            • Earth Battery

              Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
              Thanks ren
              I also did not see any difference in using one or up to five 2n3055 transistors in parallel. Did you use a normal earth ground?
              Also I bought some powerful CFL's that are rated equivalent to 125w of conventional light, could not get them to light up, but it works fine on weaker bulbs. Must be a different gas inside, different pressure or something else.
              II am just passing through quickly.

              I actually had best results in both performance and start up with KSP2222A. One transistor works OK, however with 3 or 4x 2N3055's (and ground) I never have problems in getting it running. And strange as it might sound:

              A: More lights less amp draw - my one set, one 23w tube started off at 130 mA
              B: More 3n5055 slaves, less amp draw
              C: Amp is current, Volt is potential, I am targeting lowest possible amp with highest possible volt. Nature is full of volts not amp.

              Jetijs, I have no doubt that complete system needs a thorough run over, verifications and eventually fine tuning from much more experienced people like you. I appreciate your participation.

              The plate is a good idea! I never thought of that.

              I am trying to push my cheap Chinese coils to their limits; thus need to get as much as possible Volts in at beginning.

              EARTH BATTERY
              On farm I will dig three holes for earth batteries over next week
              #1 will be alternating plates, horizontal
              #2 will be same alternating plates N-S
              #3 will be sake alternating plates E-W

              Will go to permanent water table which is fortunately not too deep at 2 meters.

              Depends on final cost: I want to try and use alternating copper/aluminum or copper/steel. Intend to make 6 cells per battery. Intend to make plate sizes 1x1 meter by 1mm thickness.

              Anybody have a solid idea actually what will mix best for the soil between the plates?

              Any and all ideas about this earth battery will be great help and result will be posted here. I will check in on quite often.
              Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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              • Intentions

                @ren, please do not go away! I am very curious and interested in your works. But I just like to finish one project first and then go full out on the next – divided attention = divided efforts = poor results. Next weekend (after some due money) I will go to Bangkok and see if I can get similar coils to yours; then I will go full out with you on that project. So if you do move on to your own forum page, please let me know. Could you possibly give me info on the coil” as per Ohms, weight, wire guage, physical size – I doubt I wil be able to find that part number here, so will have to look for something similar – multi meter in hand.

                PERSONAL INTENTIONS:
                Please forgive - I want to shout this out so there is no misunderstandings.

                My target on this development is NOT for personal gain. In the spirit of ~Imhothep~ I want this to work so much – for the poorer people in the world. This complete working system – WHEN it is completed will published worldwide in public domain, copies of exact manuals/descriptions will be sent to all charity organizations, UN etc.

                I will not make one since cent INCOME, neither profit from this and each and every person on this forum, ‘overunity’, ‘Panacea’ and the whole internet can be my witness to this effect and distribute this complete thing as far as you wish.

                For my investors, in return for their support to date and near future, I did promise them that I am also working on another systems which will be a patent and producible marketable item for their profits. Once this light unit is up and running; I might like to ask you wonderful people to help me with that one too. There I am looking at wireless, motion and mass reduction


                PLEASE HELP ME ?
                Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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                • Originally posted by Bodkins View Post
                  Charles F. Kettering of General Motors fame wrote, "Some business men believe if you build a beautiful laboratory and fill it with expensive equipment and hire a number of high salaried men with lots of scientific degrees, you will have a fine research organization. No. Facilities are all right in a laboratory, but its the men who count. Just as in a studio, it is the artist who counts, and a good research man, by the way, is an artist. Work in a laboratory may be weeks, months, or years of drudgery. Some of it can be done by the average worker. But when you break through into new territory, enter an unknown door, go down that lonesome road (and no one who has not gone down that road can know how lonesome it can be,) it is THE ARTIST'S POWER OF CREATIVE IMAGINATION which carries you. That is why it is so hard to pick good men for a research laboratory. You may pick top men from the finest engineering and scientific schools. But if they haven't that inner spark, the curiosity, the wonder, the feel of things, they are no good. *** They must have the enthusiasm and latent powers of creation." Dr, Kettering continues "I have no fuss with our colleges — they cram the boys to the gills with knowledge. But I wish the professors would do one more thing. I wish they would teach the boys how little our present knowledge is, how much of that knowledge which seems true today will have to be thrown out of the window tomorrow, how many things which can be proved impossible today, with two slips of a slide rule will be possible and in operation ten years hence," end of quote.


                  Hi Bodkins,


                  Theres alot of truth in that and I love that quote .
                  Good things are on the horizon.


                  -Gary

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                  • Ren is the man

                    Yeah Aromaz, thats right!! i am gonna run Ren's PWM/toroidal to operate a CFL and charge batteries Bedini style with our new water fuel cell.

                    Just when you thought things were weird, (i blame bodkins, he is the KING of weird and cool ). We will have our VIC done soon muhar...

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                    • BIG Sparks Circuit---Nat's tp conversion tube at work

                      Just had some fun today. Made great blue and purple sparks using Nat's TP roll conversion tube idea. Wasn't headed that way but ended up there. Played with it all day just like a kid. It is like a little tesla coil. Have not figured out exactly how to use it yet but who cares--it was fun.


                      YouTube - BIG Sparks Circuit



                      Lidmotor

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                      • Hi Lidmotor
                        Great video
                        How does your playing with the bulb on the conversion tube affects the amp draw?
                        It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                        • The cost of big sparks

                          Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                          Hi Lidmotor
                          Great video
                          How does your playing with the bulb on the conversion tube affects the amp draw?
                          Well I knew someone was going to ask me that right away. BIG sparks ---BIG amps. The circuit starts up at 20 milli amps but with all the dials turned up it is over an amp. I actually started the day trying to get Aromaz micro amp situation. I did get there but only with dim stobe light effect. That is when I went to Nat's Gray conversion tube idea. Once I started seeing those addictive blue and purple sparks, I completely forgot about amp draw. What kid hasn't always wanted to play with HV sparks? The last time that I did this I burned out my mini box circuit twice I was having so much fun. This time all my little friends hung in there. All the parts lived to spark another day. I like this simple Aromaz circuit. I think that the ignition coil, CFL and earth ground make up for the missing pieces. Throw in a tp roll for fun and it all works.

                          Lidmotor

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                          • YouTube - TESLA'S RADIANT ENERGY WIRELESS TRANSMISSION - UPDATE 21 /EDWIN GRAY HYBRID CIRCUIT


                            More wireless radiant energy transmission lighting lights up

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                            • just took her up to 48volts and the lights are starting to rock......no change to amp draw!!

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                              • Originally posted by Aromaz View Post
                                @ren, please do not go away! I am very curious and interested in your works. But I just like to finish one project first and then go full out on the next – divided attention = divided efforts = poor results. Next weekend (after some due money) I will go to Bangkok and see if I can get similar coils to yours; then I will go full out with you on that project. So if you do move on to your own forum page, please let me know. Could you possibly give me info on the coil” as per Ohms, weight, wire guage, physical size – I doubt I wil be able to find that part number here, so will have to look for something similar – multi meter in hand.
                                Im not going away mate, I hear what your saying about finishing a project before you start another, and thats why I wasnt going to post any further on my particular build. I dont want to distract others from theirs, if no one is replicating it I am just singing to myself when I post So unless others want to build or tinker with it I feel its best to not de-rail the thread by posting info or results regarding something that isnt currently on topic.

                                The schematic I posted has a little stamp on the bottom with the details of the toroid on it. I feel the most important thing to look for is a decent current rating on the secondaries. Remember that this toroid is designed to step power DOWN from 240 (or 120) to a low voltage, mine is 12v. Thus the High Voltage winding is actually considered the PRIMARY winding. But since I am using it in reverse the primary/s are now the Low voltage side. I have two primaries on this toroid, both rated for 12v 0.88amps. Paralleled they can handle 12v 1.6amps. So try to pick something close or higher than this. Ohms on the LV windings are 1.5, the HV is 77 ohms I think.

                                @ Nat, nice work. If you can get better light for half the amps at double the voltage then you are onto something. Double (or quadruple) the voltage input @ the same amperage is good, but its still more watts. Its good to see that light start to shine at its full potential though isnt it Makes you not want to go back to a dimly lit one when it burns into your retina
                                "Once you've come to the conclusion that what what you know already is all you need to know, then you have a degree in disinterest." - John Dobson

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