Imhotep's Radiant Oscillator Video

[mikkyo]

Quick update:
I tried 2 coils in the new circuit config(series, 1 reversed) and in parallel(same polarity).
I only get more brightness when they are in parallel.
I'm running without condensers since I only have one(waiting for the other to come in).
I don't see any different with or without condensers, as others have noted.
I can light the bulbs with 1 wire from each side but not with just one wire alone.
I should be able to make some measurements later this week and try some additional configs as well. I have a bunch of relays to try too.

[Tecstatic]

Best total brightness so far...and very weird effect.

I'm back again after getting some sleep, I did ignore my physical needs too much both food and sleep.

This configuration gives the most total light.

HV-->dimm-->one end of 5 BRIGHT tubes. all open in the other end.

I also tried to "parallel" all six, but my supply did not like that. I have a sensible nose (learned the hard way), and stopped before harming the supply. Some configurations of the tubes reflect much power back to the supply, and that is not rewarded.

A strange effect is that my modified small bulb is very inefficient compared to the straight tubes.

I also tried holding a piece of aluminum foil close ( actually touching ) the middle of 4 tubes, no observed change in light emissions.

And I tried this

HV-->bright-|->dim-> no connection
....................|->dim-> no connection
....................|->dim-> no connection
....................|->BRT-> BRIGHT--> piece of alu foil 30 * 50cm lying on the carpet floor

Holding the plastic base of the 23W unmodified CFL so the glass tube touches the alu foil gives surprisingly brightness, more than double of the same type modified CFL connected to the HV cord.

I use a small unmodified defective 9W CFL as a HV test probe. using that on the all serial connections I could not tell the difference in test brightness at the HV cord and the last test wire in the chain.

And now to some very weird effects utilizing a small neon bulb,

1. setup:
I hold a test wire in my hand and clip one neon bulb pin to the test wire. I check the voltage pressure by holding close or touching with the other neon terminal. I just hold the tests wire without holding the metal.

Very dimm at the surface of a CFL tube as for all "isolating sufaces" incl. the HV cord.
If I touch the isolated metal ring at the end of the CFL the neon lights very bright orange.
Dim in the vicinity of the alu foil, but when i touch the alu foil it is again very bright orange.

2.setup:
I have just received a bunch of HV micro oven diodes. I took two diodes and the neon bulb and connected them in an imaginary current loop so the current can flow through the two diodes and the neon bulb, but there is no element to drive the current in the loop.

Again I took a test wire clipped it to the midpoint of the diodes and let the other end touch the alu foil.

The neon gave slightly more light than when touching the the glass surface of the CFL's but listen now.

The light from the neon was now flickering a lot and it gave a hissing sound and the smell of ozone emitted from my "current loop", unbelievable

I must say I have been lucky to see so much in less than 2 days. But it has opened my eyes that while it is quite simple to see an effect demonstrated the Imhotep way, I think there is much hard work to do, to refine this seemingly "simple" thing.

I also see two possible roads: The Imhotep way regenerating and battery supplied. A solution that makes perfectly sense. Thanks

But maybe also it could be rewarding to get something to plug into the grid, as an energy saver. Not exactly the principally best solution, but sometimes it can be best to pick the low hanging fruits first, although the ones at the top looks much more tempting.

Until convinced otherwise I compare this to transmission lines. An analog example is the manifolds on cars.

An ordinary and poor constructed set of manifolds sitting on a 3 litres car gives maybe 180 hp, while the super optimized manifolds on a formula 1 racing car employs acoustic resonance and transmission line reflections in the manifolds to the outmost, giving the 3 litres racing engine around 900 hp. I know several other factors contribute to this, but the tuning of the manifolds is a significant one, as a byproduct it makes a terrible noise experienced live. By the way thats why it is called tuning, as the manifolds has been compared to organ pipes.

So we have to find the best CFL tubes and create an efficient circuit to feed the tube with suitable voltage and frequency, tune it right. Please correct me if i'm mistaken.

I feel a bit worn down right now, when I have regained normal condition, I will try out some more configurations to study more the nature of this beast.

To circuit info:
I am not going to publish a picture of the supply, please understand.

But apart from that I will give you the diagram and instructions for the transformer.

I now digged up the old diagram. It is hierarchical, so I will extract the info relevant for this circuit and make a diagram for you, stand by. As I mentioned, there is not much special to the electronic circuit.

But the transformer I use performs the double of the previous transformer attempt. so this requires some thoroughness in making. Also the PCB is important, and that can not be seen from the diagram. The length of the current loop outside the transformer must be kept very short and ground plane used. I expect no test wire to be suitable here.

I consider it a very rare experience to create something that can't be improved, The transformer has certainly much room for improvements.

However I don't know if it is worth duplicating. It will cost you at least a day, maybe 5, i don't expect the SMD parts to be common experimenter stuff, and considering this was designed for both high voltage and high power (watts), In the original application it consumed around 400W from a 24V supply. I have not had the time to measure the consumption with the CFL's, a normal clamp meter does not work. I expect less load than the original circuit.

I personally would wait to see if the next idea is better, on the other hand, the present supply can be considered a power hungry experimenters kit.

I think another kind of circuit would do a better job at considerately less watts, time will tell.
But please don't listen, thats just my opinion, follow your intuition and experience

@All, how do I post pictures inside a post ( not attachment, my quota is used ), I dont have a video camera, and have never submitted anything on Youtube ?

Eric

[Tecstatic]

Watts vs. driving capability

There is few more things I did not mention: The frequency is around 30 kHz as far as I remember.

Now I have 5 CFL connected apparently without reducing the brightness ( I dont have a lux meter ), when adding a CFL.

I already darkened a room to get 2 more CFL's. So I need more to see where the limit is.

So if a sufficient high number of CFL's can be operated, my power hungry supply could maybe even turn out to be efficient.

As a last thing today I tried making a closed loop with 5 CFL's in series. The light is incredibly intense, several times more than in normal operation, at least a factor 3. Hard to judge without a lux meter. Incredibly BRIGHT, except "of cause" I feel tempted to say, the first modified 23W CFL a little more bright than dim. Now there is no ping/bang, only the very intense light.

The same with a closed loop of 6 in series. but now the over voltage circuit get noisy, so I stop, better safe than sorry in this case.

But why ? when I operated open circuit there is no problem. Also the usual hissing and ozone is not present, only with the "current loop" mentioned in my previous post I had hissing and ozone.

As soon a I make a closed loop it seems I get an apparent over voltage when increasing from 5 to 6 CFL in series. Resonance maybe ???

I am not very experienced with measuring very high voltages with my expensive HV probe. I prefer to keep it alive. On the other hand I could learn more about the circuit,

I have also made a small 400kHz SMPS with some special properties. It was only expected to deliver 2-3 kV. When I tried to measure the transformer output by approaching the terminal with the probe while in operation, it arched some millimeters and hissed. This is why I am reluctant to use the probe on the much more powerful supply for the CFL's

Any advice and hints are welcome, thanks in advance.

Eric

[hh1341]

Will the relay oscillate on it's own, or does the HV have to be in the circuit with it?

Carl

[waterhouse24]

@All, how do I post pictures inside a post ( not attachment, my quota is used ), I dont have a video camera, and have never submitted anything on Youtube ?

Eric

Host your pictures somewhere else like ImageShack® - Image Hosting, then use the picture tool when posting and it lets you put in the url address of the hosted picture.

Lee

[waterhouse24]

Will the relay oscillate on it's own, or does the HV have to be in the circuit with it?

Carl

Yes it will oscillate on it's own, it doesn't need the HV coil to make it oscillate.

[hh1341]

Yes it will oscillate on it's own, it doesn't need the HIV coil to make it oscillate. :thumb sup:

Not having much luck getting them to.

Mine are multi pole double through types.

Probably not getting them wired right.

Have a bunch of them, all 12 volt.

Carl

[**~Imhotep~**]

Not having much luck getting them to.

Mine are multi pole double through types.

Probably not getting them wired right.

Have a bunch of them, all 12 volt.

Carl

the basic circuit has to have relay and at least one more coil to oscillate when using the normally open contact but will self oscillate on the normally closed contact with no coil except relay. you can use any coil or transformer to demonstrate relay oscillation.

[theremart]

Peter is young and doing the Tesla thing!

Tesla longitudinal electricity

Early video testing out some of Tesla's work with our very own Peter!..

[**~Imhotep~**]

Tesla longitudinal electricity

Early video testing out some of Tesla's work with our very own Peter!..

Wow me and shiva was just watching this. commenting on how young everyone looked and how his voice has not changed at all. Goes to show ya that Peter Lindemann has being doing the hard science for a very very long time. He really does know what he is doing. Thats why I hold him in such high regards. Thanks for sharing. I wonder how old he and dollard was in that video.

[Tecstatic]

Diagram, finally + power considerations

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Lee

Thank you waterhouse24

Here is the diagram:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4...vsupplypv1.jpg

Please, Please take care, this is no toy.

Do not consider this state of the art, the design is 5 years old. My PCB is a surface mount layout, it is a great help.

After reading Tesla stuff, the good thing is that my old experiments led in the right direction, thats probably why this traditional flyback circuit can be regarded a HV experimenters kit to demonstrate unusual effects as described in my previous posts.

I wonder if the apparent over voltage experience is due to a radient event. The ingredients are there, high voltage, sharp transients and high resistance.

Regarding the present circuit, many things can be done to improve it.

More capacitance close to the PCB. Ceramic capacitors very close to the primary current loop. Present 11 capacitors surrounds the primary current loop to ensure low impedance.

A vario supplying DC through a bridge to run to maybe 240 V instead of 24 V for experimenting with higher primary voltage/shorter on time.

Norman Wootan stated "Compress energy in time"

To make it energy efficient, i would consider to use a resonant circuit with diode plug as pre-stage the Hector way.

Another species of transformer.

Power consideration:

It can lit 4 pcs. of 36W tubes to be very bright. at least a factor 3 judged with my eyes. If that is correct, I get 3 * 4 * 36W = 432W light equivalent.

Furthermore I think it could be possible to make 2 sets of 4 serial CFL's and put them in a parallel closed loop. I would not be surprised to see that work.

But this is just talking, I have ordered more tubes and a LUX meter to qualify by numbers.
At that time I will measure the watts also.

The last few days has been exiting for me. But all these questions spinning in my head, has crippled my concentration for my daily work.

Now I have to mobilize some mental strength to meet my deadlines.

Being under time pressure I will only make further directions for the transformer, if I get a request.

@theremart, Thats exactly the video I was talking about, I have made a PCB layout, but I will study the resonance conditions once more before I make the PCB.

These are also the coils used in Prof. Konstantin Meyls experimenter kit propelling the small boat one week during the Tesla exhibition (see prvious post). You can find the user manual on the net. I don't have the link, I got it more than 6 months ago.
This kit has been ordered by many medical doctors according to Meyl.

Eric

[**~Imhotep~**]

Thank you waterhouse24

Here is the diagram:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4...vsupplypv1.jpg

Please, Please take care, this is no toy.

Do not consider this state of the art, the design is 5 years old. My PCB is a surface mount layout, it is a great help.

After reading Tesla stuff, the good thing is that my old experiments led in the right direction, thats probably why this traditional flyback circuit can be regarded a HV experimenters kit to demonstrate unusual effects as described in my previous posts.

I wonder if the apparent over voltage experience is due to a radient event. The ingredients are there, high voltage, sharp transients and high resistance.

Regarding the present circuit, many things can be done to improve it.

More capacitance close to the PCB. Ceramic capacitors very close to the primary current loop. Present 11 capacitors surrounds the primary current loop to ensure low impedance.

A vario supplying DC through a bridge to run to maybe 240 V instead of 24 V for experimenting with higher primary voltage/shorter on time.

Norman Wootan stated "Compress energy in time"

To make it energy efficient, i would consider to use a resonant circuit with diode plug as pre-stage the Hector way.

Another species of transformer.

Power consideration:

It can lit 4 pcs. of 36W tubes to be very bright. at least a factor 3 judged with my eyes. If that is correct, I get 3 * 4 * 36W = 432W light equivalent.

Furthermore I think it could be possible to make 2 sets of 4 serial CFL's and put them in a parallel closed loop. I would not be surprised to see that work.

But this is just talking, I have ordered more tubes and a LUX meter to qualify by numbers.
At that time I will measure the watts also.

The last few days has been exiting for me. But all these questions spinning in my head, has crippled my concentration for my daily work.

Now I have to mobilize some mental strength to meet my deadlines.

Being under time pressure I will only make further directions for the transformer, if I get a request.

@theremart, Thats exactly the video I was talking about, I have made a PCB layout, but I will study the resonance conditions once more before I make the PCB.

These are also the coils used in Prof. Konstantin Meyls experimenter kit propelling the small boat one week during the Tesla exhibition (see prvious post). You can find the user manual on the net. I don't have the link, I got it more than 6 months ago.
This kit has been ordered by many medical doctors according to Meyl.

Eric

that is an impressive circuit the coil is home spun? i love the effects and output. what type of controller is utilized ? this is exciting work ,i am glad you are charged with energy..

[**~Imhotep~**]

the basic circuit has to have relay and at least one more coil to oscillate when using the normally open contact but will self oscillate on the normally closed contact with no coil except relay. you can use any coil or transformer to demonstrate relay oscillation.

i have a correction, the relay does if fact oscillate on its own as waterhouse has stated earlier .

[hh1341]

I am now getting my relay to oscillate.

However, it is achieved by connecting one of the power leads to the movable blade of the relay. Not sure this is OK.(several other combinations did not work or resulted in shorts)


Carl

[theremart]

Question about the relay..

I have noticed my circuit is pulling over 3 amp, I noted that Imhotep you have been running yours for hours, I did not want to run mine that long because the relay is too hot to touch.

I have tried putting a 2 K pot inline with the resistor, but this did not seem to help much.

The Neo did pull down the current, but the relay got even hotter when I lowered the amperage.

I may have to goto a rheostat dimmer as others have done.

Mart