Alternative Highpower system

[WCastle]

I get questions from people all the time - along these lines...


1 can I use a xx foot tall windmill to power my house?

2 can I use a xx square foot solar panel to power my house?

3 I have a couple of those 15 watt solar panels, can I use it to power my refridgerator/waterheater/wellpump etc... ?

These questions are "loaded questions" and probably not even the right questions to ask.

First off it is a good thing they are asking, because it indicates they are at least thinking about doing something about the slavery they have been born into.

However it is quite another task to explain all about power consumption to people who have limited knowledge or experience with caculating power consumption, power loss budgets, and such.

so what to do? ANSWER THEM BY EXAMPLE

Show those interested, what you have done, explain it as if you were talking to a toddler with a phd.

what I mean by that is, I try to explain my systems and projects so a very small child could understand it, at the same time someone with a phd in alternative energy for example can relate to it as well.


Now I place a concept here for an alternative "free" energy system before the members of the forum and open up for questions - plans - suggestions etc...

enjoy.

[Peter Lindemann]

Compressed Air and Free Energy

I get questions from people all the time - along these lines...


1 can I use a xx foot tall windmill to power my house?

2 can I use a xx square foot solar panel to power my house?

3 I have a couple of those 15 watt solar panels, can I use it to power my refridgerator/waterheater/wellpump etc... ?

These questions are "loaded questions" and probably not even the right questions to ask.

First off it is a good thing they are asking, because it indicates they are at least thinking about doing something about the slavery they have been born into.

However it is quite another task to explain all about power consumption to people who have limited knowledge or experience with caculating power consumption, power loss budgets, and such.

so what to do? ANSWER THEM BY EXAMPLE

Show those interested, what you have done, explain it as if you were talking to a toddler with a phd.

what I mean by that is, I try to explain my systems and projects so a very small child could understand it, at the same time someone with a phd in alternative energy for example can relate to it as well.


Now I place a concept here for an alternative "free" energy system before the members of the forum and open up for questions - plans - suggestions etc...

enjoy.

Dear Wcastle,

Compressed air is only COP>1 when the compressed air AND the heat of compression are all conserved and used. The math says that 100% of the mechanical energy required to compress the air is converted to HEAT. So heat is the primary form of energy available from a system like this. The amount of energy that can be recovered from the "compressed air" itself is only about 40% of that. The energy available from "decompressing" the air in an air motor is harvested from the heat that was in the air BEFORE it was compressed. That is why the air coming out of the air motors is colder than the ambient temperature. So, the energy available from your savonius rotor can be increased by a system like this, up to a COP=1.4. But to attain this in REAL TIME, all of the heat produced must be used productively to heat water, or air, or something that you need the heat for.

Now, as has been discussed in a number of threads in this forum, crank shaft operated piston compressors will produce the least compressed air for the mechanical energy applied. A "scotch yoke" drive to the compressor would do better and a "cam drive" like the Revetec system would do even better. Then there are the scroll compressors that are the most efficient compressors available on the market today.

A system that used a scroll compressor to compress the air, harvested all of the heat produced and used it productively, and then used the cooled compressed air and reconverted it to mechanical energy using a very efficient air motor like the Di Pietro Air Motor, would be excellent. Such a system will not fall neatly together without a lot of R&D, however.

There are good possibilities here, worthy of exploring. Here are some links:

Pneumatic Options Research Library: Home Page
www.engineair.com.au

Peter

[WCastle]

Excellent suggestions.

This "basic" concept of using compressed air from a windmill to do high power work on demand, as much as I would like to claim for my on complete idea, sadly I cannot.

You see I was at an indoor "Amish" (or close facsimille) flea market, they had a ceiling fan with very large blades and it caught mt attention because of the "pookety - chuck" sound it was making

Well being the curious engineer type I had to ask about it, the nice folks were very happy to show me the large air tanks being pupmed by air compressors on a windmill.

howevwer the concept has always stuck with me as a viable alternative to the slave trade energy corps of today..

Please continue with more suggestions people, as this will, and actually does now do the hard work needed by power hungry pumps, fans, saws etc...

[theremart]

Wind mills

I have been considering this concept, because I do find at night my batteries are fully charged from solar power, however in the morning the batteries loose about 12% of the enegy over night. Was considering using this energy to run a compressor to fill an air tank, then let the sun recharge the batteries the next day and repeat... I figure I could store the energy for a MUCH longer time, safely.

I also considered instead of using electricity on the windmill just put an air compressor up there... Not sure if that is your design, but I sure like the idea of storing compressed air. Only trouble is I can't do it where I live. but I am looking for such for my next move.


Good ideas!

Mart

[muttdogg]

Air compressor

Hey Wcastle.
You are correct when you bring up others interested in alternative energy, wanting to know what technology is best for them. So,Yes, Yes, and No. If it is big enough. I do not understand why converting wind power to compressed air power could be effective at any thing less than hurricane speeds, if there is to be free energy. The VAWT is only 57% efficient, if you can get more HP out of the wind, please let me know how.
The electrical energy from a VAWT is much more efficient, and usable.
As to the Scotch yoke. So, there is a whiskey yoke? Scottish yoke would be the one for me.
The idea of the Scotch yoke looks good on paper, or in a jigsaw, in case no one has taken one apart. It relies on permanent lubrication, not self lubrication. Screw technology is not only much more efficient, but longer lasting. The Scotch yoke depends not so much on transfer of power, like the cam it replaces, but an efficiency of power transfer, with the trade off of even more degradation of parts, and more maintenance. So if the trade off is worth it then use it. Short, often weak power strokes would make the Scotch yoke worth it. But then where would the power come from?
Dan

[WCastle]

I do not understand why converting wind power to compressed air power could be effective at any thing less than hurricane speeds,

OK so what are you having trouble understanding?