Kanzius Experiment deserves more attention

[professor]

Here is an interesting Thought.
I am sure that all of you are familiar with John Kanzius accidental Discovery of RF injection into Saltwater thus producing a constant flame. Saltwater will also produce Chlorine Gas.
Chlorine Gas is not flammable.
Hydrogen mixed with Oxygen explodes when ignited as we all have demonstrated.
Question: why does his Product burn so nicely without exploding? There is very little bubbling action on top of Kanzius test tube (much less than running 1 amp of 2 volt into one cell electrolyzing Method)
Yet he can sustain a considerable flame as long as the liquid is in the RF field.
How much Power would you require to achieve the same size of flame by using the conventional
Method?
I have tried feeding 100 watts RF(unmodulated RF) through a Pi Network into a plastic bottle filled with saltwater and despite a good match I was unable to get a reaction.
Being a licensed Radio Amateur I am more conversive with RF than LF Tesla Technology.
I was using my 27Mhz "Rife" setup from years ago, but I have not modified the audio section of a recently acquired CB to modulate the carrier.As with the Rife Device the secret may lie in the modulated portion rather than RF itself.If so then maybe a new approach is needed to splitting H2O more efficiently.
Does anyone offer any clues as to the power and frequencies that Kanzius is using in his Setup?
Any clue or Help would be appreciated. 73

[gunfighter]

Your frequency is too high. Crank it down a notch to 13.561 MHz.

Also, I think Kanzius was pumping out around 300 watts. Not sure.

[professor]

thanks for the come back

If you watch all the Utube on Kanzius you will see that he has 2 Transmitters stacked on top of each other one says 2K-27.1Mhz and the other 3K-13.56Mhz
Personally I don't think that the RF Frequency matters as it is only a Carrier . I would guess that the modulating Frequency is doing all the Work as it does in the "Rife" Machine. Also 27Mhz has provisions under the FCC or DOC to be used for experimental (Medical) Diathermy Machines use it as well as the CB'ers.
Mind you not all the allowcated Channels either,I am saying that because someone surely will try and bring that up.
So I am mostly interested in Power and I think being variable with Kanzius Transmitters I seem to recall him cranking it up to about 100 Watts and then the Camera switched to another scene. Most important what modulated frequency,pulse rate did he use?
I assume its an square wave .
Jk

[gunfighter]

Pretty sure 13.561 MHz is the magic number. Do a Google search for 13.561 MHz. A YouTube video about Kanzius is the top result, and the top few under it are regarding Kanzius as well.

[pha3z]

Here is an interesting Thought.
Question: why does his Product burn so nicely without exploding? There is very little bubbling action on top of Kanzius test tube ...

I'm not sure what is going on in the Kanzius case. I have glanced over Kanzius patents and some of the work, but not deeply because I am only studying energy and using RF to burn saltwater is a poor solution compared to other free energy solutions in my opinion.

But as to the nature of burning hydrogen, I will say that I know from studying Stanley Meyer's work that hydrogen actually is NOT as explosive as we might think -- at least when the energy propogation is closely studied. When hydrogen combines with oxygen, the reaction almost has a peculiar endothermic aspect about it. Its not obvious at a glance, but if you compare it to the burning and explosions caused by other mixtures, it becomes apparent that hydrogen is different. Speculating a guess, I would say it has something to do with the fact that the result of burning hydrogen produces water and the specific heat of water is extreme compared to other materials. I think a lot of the thermal energy which would normally be given off during a burn or explosion is actually getting absorbed right back into the resulting molecule when hydrogen and water combine. This might also contribute to the smoother burn we see from the Kanzius machine.

[Aromaz]

Hydrogen alone does not burn nor explode - unless there is oxygen present.

And yes, there is much more value in the whole concept of using RF than any
other method to split the water molecule.

Interesting concept and one that I personally think has much more merit than the current use of energy to split the molecule.

I can think of two stages:
1. Heat up the water - to make the atom expanding and more receptive for the RF.
2. Resonate the molecule to split, skim gas off and burn for recycle.

[ashtweth]

Hang on is chloride produced as a by product?

there is no more useful KNOWLEDGE than ecology my friend, if LIFE is an eco system and you dont know ecology than how much do you really know about life?

Technology must be ecological. Ill make sure of that this year ground work will ensure .just want to know if he puts salt back into the atmosphere

Ash

[wayne.ct]

Pretty sure 13.561 MHz is the magic number. Do a Google search for 13.561 MHz. A YouTube video about Kanzius is the top result, and the top few under it are regarding Kanzius as well.

According to what I remember of Stanley Meyer and other HHO experimenters the preferred imbodiment uses three frequencies and a somewhat unusual toroidal mixer. Would anyone with first hand knowledge like to enlighten me as to the correct approach? Also, would you like to suggest a supplier for large toroids similar to his?

[Hrothgar]

I have tried feeding 100 watts RF(unmodulated RF) through a Pi Network into a plastic bottle filled with saltwater and despite a good match I was unable to get a reaction.
Being a licensed Radio Amateur I am more conversive with RF than LF Tesla Technology.
I was using my 27Mhz "Rife" setup from years ago, but I have not modified the audio section of a recently acquired CB to modulate the carrier.As with the Rife Device the secret may lie in the modulated portion rather than RF itself.If so then maybe a new approach is needed to splitting H2O more efficiently.
Does anyone offer any clues as to the power and frequencies that Kanzius is using in his Setup?
Any clue or Help would be appreciated. 73

I'm of the mind that 2 frequencies could mean 2 reactants, make a list of the dependent factors then make a matrix of the possible combinations work with it step back for a week then look at it again, bang your head against the wall then watch some TV then it will come to you. At least that's how it works with me.

[wrtner]

According to what I remember of Stanley Meyer and other HHO experimenters the preferred imbodiment uses three frequencies and a somewhat unusual toroidal mixer. Would anyone with first hand knowledge like to enlighten me as to the correct approach? Also, would you like to suggest a supplier for large toroids similar to his?

This is the Bob Boyce system, starting with, I believe, the 42.8khz as used by
John Worrell Keely, and employing also one octave down, 21.4 and a further
octave down on that, 10.7khz.

See page 59 at the site which is now housing Patrick's superb work:

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapter10.pdf

I would have thought these frequencies would be worth trying.
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[prembold]

Kanzius Experiment deserves more attention

After viewing the limited data that is open sourced we have to agree this appears to call for a second (or third) look.
27.1Mhz & 13.561Mhz Seem to remember seeing an old Diathermy Machines down at the scrapyard – might be time for a road trip.